Topic: WTF - Kiddy Porn in the Blockchain for life? - page 2. (Read 74366 times)

In theory, "knowingly possesses" means about the same as it does in the drug context:  possessing it long enough to know what it is, and yet choosing not to get rid of it.  In practice, that kind of case is not prosecuted, or every Usenet provider would have been raided long ago.  So in theory, simply having a copy of the blockchain is sufficient, if the blockchain actually contains the illegal content.  In practice, I'm not worried about it.  I do not believe the blockchain, itself, contains content that it is illegal to possess.

http://money.cnn.com/2013/05/02/technology/security/bitcoin-porn/?source=cnn_bin

"The U.S. Justice Department wouldn't comment on this specific case, but an agency spokesman pointed CNNMoney to the exact wording of the law, which states that the issue becomes a crime when a person "knowingly possesses, or knowingly accesses with intent to view" child porn. It doesn't appear that an unsuspecting user with these coded links sitting on their hard drive has much to worry about. "

Downloading the blockchain to look at some porn? No? Then no crime.

I think there is little room for free speech when commenting on such a problem on a public forum nowadays, just like there was little room for expressing your opinion on religion at the time of the Inquisition. So why "debate" on CP? Pointless. And off-topic, IMO.

So I won't debate. Linking anything to CP, even illegitimately, generally means "express shutdown under any circumstances", at least in Western countries. So yes, it could be a threat IF the problem was real.

However, as it has been said already, the block chain does not *easily* allow for embedded messages, and having CP related URLs in it would be an anecdote at most: how long do you really think it would last before those URLs lead to nowhere and/or are blocked, censored, blacklisted, whatever you want to call it?

Want to encode CP images as base64 bitmaps or whatever more sophisticated? Or ASCII-art them? Good luck with the spam. So silly... and again, what's the point? Just to mislead a naive prosecutor and/or judge/jury? I'm convinced it wouldn't pass the reality check.

I remember a couple of awful stories back in 199x when ISP managers where put in jail because some clueless prosecutor found something illegal on their USENET servers (coming from upstream of course). I was young and emotional, and I was horrified. Now I still find it silly, but (hopefully) prosecutors in 2013 can differentiate between merely carrying a message or endorsing it.

By the way, it looks like the block chain is full of shit already:


Shame and scandal! Additionnaly it is full of 0xFFD8 occurences, so I suspect I will eventually find a CP JPEG hidden inside....  

If I ever end up in jail as a pedo because I was running bitcoind, I'd probably feel like Galileo or Turing at the end of their lives.

Witch hunters 2.0...

This?:


Because this:

https://blockchain.info/tx/2d305be3de9b20502a6962b140f446d85469d530f2c210896f6bc2ba7c3b9083

...does not have the yellow table with a message.

Look I apologise if my response seemed offensive in anyway but I'm anxious to clarify my position.I was only anxious earlier because of lack of full information on this subject.It's understandable to have anxiety with things you don't fully understand at first.The thing is yes I'm not happy with certain aspects with BTC but the same can be said about certain tools/methods used in the filmmaking world either but sometimes I'm forced to tolerate those short comings simply because it's not feasible to make them 100%.Whether I like it or not CP will continue to exist in other forms.

With most other things like camera equipment,images/videos,money and my nickname film2240,I can still conciously choose not to have any involvement with CP (never had,never will) even though these pieces of equipment can sometimes be used for nefarious purposes by others.All things have a certain level of risk in life and trying to eliminate risk altogether will only complicate things further.

The whole idea of leaving BTC altogether is simply fallout from living in a country with difficult laws regarding unwitting distributing CP (UK),If it's clear that this whole thing is just codes,that don't even direct or show CP,then there's no need to stop using BTC and I can continue business as usual

I'm not a lawyer, but the URLs themselves are just directions, they aren't the actual child abuse images. Though i guess some countries are really fucked up and might make even directions to where criminals can be found be a crime...


Btw, if you're leaving Bitcoin, please send me your coins before you delete your wallet.

Do that.
Since CP is viewed as pictures & videos, throw all the cameras you have for taking pictures & videos.
Also throw all the money you made so far using pictures & videos, coz the money you got from being "Professional filmmaker" is somewhat related to CP.
Also you have to kill yourself, coz you have the nickname "film2240", it has the word film, which can be used to capture images or videos of CP.

The fact that it's URLs means that I can get arrested for unwittingly distributing or relaying CP content simply because of what some person thought was funny to put in there.Whether it's plain text or not,it'll still be enough to get me in trouble if I continue to use BTC simply because of the CP message in the blockchain.

Thanks for clearing that up.I think it's time to finish earning BTC (by working or selling things off),then cashout for good and delete all my BTC clients/accounts to stay out of trouble then.

From what i've heard, all they put in the blockchain were URLs; and i'm not even sure if they are in plaintext.

There, now you've witnessed CP and must be punished even harder than the people that physicly abused kids.

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Anything can be decoded into anything with the right algorithm.

You take English alphabet A to Z, just pickup 9 letters, that too only once & arrange it, you will get "C" "H" "I" "L" "D" "P" "O" "R" "N".

Is that mean English have to be banned worldwide & people using English(Including this forum) have to be banned & put in jail?

This is the kind of crap that makes me want to stop using BTC altogether in case I get arrested for unwittingly distributing offensive content under UK laws (I don't wish to get jailed for using BTC just because some idiot decided to post CP messages in the blockchain).The only thing I like about BTC is the easy way of sending money to and from other people (using only an address rather than typing in IBANS,card details,giving my address,etc with normal banks)

If this is true (and not just a rumour) then I'll have to stop using BTC in UK which is a shame.

I have questions about this:
Does the code actually load the offensive sites?
If this code can load these sites,how could the developers fail to see this happening and apply appropriate measures to remedy this issue?
How is it possible to post messages in the blockchain as I'm rather confused as to how this can work?

Uh please, please keep posting! Just think about children...... fap fap fap fap.... Yes!  Just trolling.

And the problem is not CP. The problem is censorship. First persecute people for sharing childporn. Then catch all those granny porn lovers. When the laws, technology and population mindset is ready, catch all those people sharing photos of Tianmen square massacare or disliking nigger as USA president in e-mails to his friend.

While it is still legal to do:



I could not find real CP to link here in 15 sec google search, this means the censorship already is in action.

The extreme example was meant to prove a point that under some emotional circumstances, people are willing to change their "beliefs" to a more socially geared one for the greater good (and potentially greater personal inconvenience). When that stops being true, credit card companies will stop offering chargebacks.

You're right. However, that doesn't compare with destroying the entire world, the metaphor that was proposed earlier.

The child is already affected. And any person watching child porn most probably has decided that way.

Psychological trauma from seeing pictures? That's bullshit *waaah*. You don't have the right not to be offended and all that.

And in case you didn't got it from my previous msg, i'll spell it out for you, think of how many other things have been made illegal to transfer over the internet, and how often people have still done it...




And besides, what is the point of making destroying the world illegal if there won't be any law enforcement to enforce the law after the world is destroyed...



Like with Child Abuse, the password is the wrong thing to be made illegal.

Why are we comparing child porn to bombs? Obviously child porn is a bad thing because those children are harmed against their will, but if the video already exists, no more harm can be done with it (unlike the bomb, which will explode in any moment).

C) Disable the fucking bomb, because something that dangerous with such an easy hair trigger shouldn't exist in the first place!