Regarding bitcoinplus .org maybe we could register an organisation/foundation.Its function could start off based on research and development as we are still in that stage before progressing onto the products and services side that would require a company/commercial enterprise.
Feel free to add to this
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The logo is VITALLY important as it is what people will spot initially and whatever they will likely recall each time they come across your product/service later on. This one thing means you want a excellent logo design.
An excessively complex logo could be confusing or hard recall. It might look attractive at first glance but if your users could not quickly hook it up with your products/services chances are they will likely check out one of your opponents who happen to be far more recognizable. A basic logo is simpler to not forget, much easier to understand and much easier to utilize to all your company mass media.
The current logo in my opinion looks too tacky and way too busy and complicated.It doesn't stick in the mind for instant reference so on a neural sense does not trigger an auto reference point related to the coin itself.
I think that the actual bitcoin logo with an emphasis on the "PLUS" is the best option.
The current logo design does not work in my opinion.Think of simple yet striking logos like apple etc.Bitcoin logo with a plus sign would be appropriate as the main corporate/organisation logo.Marketing the service can have any different variations if required but the main principal logo should remain the same in line with other successful brands.
An excessively complex logo could be confusing or hard recall. It might look attractive at first glance but if your users could not quickly hook it up with your products/services chances are they will likely check out one of your opponents who happen to be far more recognizable. A basic logo is simpler to not forget, much easier to understand and much easier to utilize to all your company mass media.
The current logo in my opinion looks too tacky and way too busy and complicated.It doesn't stick in the mind for instant reference so on a neural sense does not trigger an auto reference point related to the coin itself.
I think that the actual bitcoin logo with an emphasis on the "PLUS" is the best option.
The current logo design does not work in my opinion.Think of simple yet striking logos like apple etc.Bitcoin logo with a plus sign would be appropriate as the main corporate/organisation logo.Marketing the service can have any different variations if required but the main principal logo should remain the same in line with other successful brands.
The only time mindfox starts to get annoyed is when someone questions him on the code. Insofar everything else, he usually stays out of it and let's the Dev teams do the promotion stuff.
Jjmv. Ill speak for both Azor, Cryptoyoda and myself and give the green light on this move. Mindfox has been hard to reach at the moment. Sometimes he answers most times he doesn't. I'll let you know when the coin maestro decides to show and what he says.
I'm currently trying to hit up Azor and see if he has those files. If he does substrata I'll contact you and send them. That's when Azor communicates to me of course.
Yeah, the community needs to decide on the logo situation... I like that logo btw...
Beef, can you try to get a blessing from yoda, azor, mindfox, or anyone else that you can think of, before we keep moving forward with the new domain, website, team restructure, wallet work may be...?
Better to avoid any of those issues sooner than later.
I'm looking for a host now, but about the site... I'm not a web designer, but I can handle some code. I don't think that XBC needs anything fancy now (even though anyone is welcome to work on this and make it awesome). No need to reinvent the wheel with the website I think. Some hosting providers offer some nice templates, mobile site, email, storage, content management, etc. for a minimal fee. Anyone on the team would be able to update it. I'm talking $8 a month. We can build onto this in the future. I say we go this route and concentrate on logos, graphics, content...
I know that we could all probably build a server, host and put together a site, but I don't think it's worth the $8 headache.
What do you guys think?
Beef, can you try to get a blessing from yoda, azor, mindfox, or anyone else that you can think of, before we keep moving forward with the new domain, website, team restructure, wallet work may be...?
Better to avoid any of those issues sooner than later.
I'm looking for a host now, but about the site... I'm not a web designer, but I can handle some code. I don't think that XBC needs anything fancy now (even though anyone is welcome to work on this and make it awesome). No need to reinvent the wheel with the website I think. Some hosting providers offer some nice templates, mobile site, email, storage, content management, etc. for a minimal fee. Anyone on the team would be able to update it. I'm talking $8 a month. We can build onto this in the future. I say we go this route and concentrate on logos, graphics, content...
I know that we could all probably build a server, host and put together a site, but I don't think it's worth the $8 headache.
What do you guys think?
Well I started doing the logo as a black/red or a white/red combination depending on the background picture. I think it looks pretty snazzy and very marketable. Its just the beginning too so I'm very excited to see how it morphs.
What I ment was this logo https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fs10.postimg.org%2F44fv4sp4p%2Flogo.png&t=544&c=VFlXs4ojBdoQ_w it is very cool looking, those colors
will surely attract female population. If vector files exist I could easily simplify that logo a bit, just to check how it looks with less details. It actualy might look much better without
PCB background and angled rectangles.
Well I started doing the logo as a black/red or a white/red combination depending on the background picture. I think it looks pretty snazzy and very marketable. Its just the beginning too so I'm very excited to see how it morphs.
I concur with bitcoinplus.org. Thanks Jjmv for helping out brotha. Don't want to rush anything at all but are designs already being drawn up? I say we keep the orbitron font. I've grown quite fond of it myself. Anyone else? Thoughts?
Is that font used on new XBC logo? If not, and given it really is a great looking font, it should be added to logo. Who has XBC logo graphics anyway (preferably vector files)?
I concur with bitcoinplus.org. Thanks Jjmv for helping out brotha. Don't want to rush anything at all but are designs already being drawn up? I say we keep the orbitron font. I've grown quite fond of it myself. Anyone else? Thoughts?
We'll we got bitcoinplus.org and .net registered. Do you guys want to move on with those?
Main website for Bitcoin is at bitcoin.org so bitcoinplus.org would fit perfectly.
Yes agree. Bitcoinplus for me.
You have quoted me too fast and missed part about women, go back. GroundBEEF has already done some cool job on the matter so we are almost ready to rock da house!
We'll we got bitcoinplus.org and .net registered. Do you guys want to move on with those?
Main website for Bitcoin is at bitcoin.org so bitcoinplus.org would fit perfectly.
Yes agree. Bitcoinplus for me.
We'll we got bitcoinplus.org and .net registered. Do you guys want to move on with those?
Main website for Bitcoin is at bitcoin.org so bitcoinplus.org would fit perfectly. Once we are are organization we can start initiating new members, preferably women! No one
spends more money than women, offline or online. No one is more easily manipulated than women. Now, where is that book on (sex) cults I bought earlier this year?
We'll we got bitcoinplus.org and .net registered. Do you guys want to move on with those?
Yes I am also in agreement in moving on from xbcplus.com. I actually thought it was misleading and most people wouldnt know how to locate it without someone mentioning the address. Here here!
You bring up some good points...
I think it would be a smart idea to gain control of the accounts before investing on a dev though. It may be more than just a facelift unless we get a hold of XBCPlus.com and the rest of the social media accounts. We would make a bigger and better impression for funding if we could have a site, project plans, and team info prior to starting a full fundraising campaign. It would be bad if the community raised the money to reamp the coin only to have the old team regain control of the accounts...
I think it would be a smart idea to gain control of the accounts before investing on a dev though. It may be more than just a facelift unless we get a hold of XBCPlus.com and the rest of the social media accounts. We would make a bigger and better impression for funding if we could have a site, project plans, and team info prior to starting a full fundraising campaign. It would be bad if the community raised the money to reamp the coin only to have the old team regain control of the accounts...
There is no need to regain control of those accounts because coin name is BitcoinPlus and it's ticker is XBC - xbcplus.com means bitcoinplusplus.com so it is not really fitting.
Jjmv and substrata, my compliments. There are back some constructive thought and actions. Looking forward to more to be implemented.
You bring up some good points...
I think it would be a smart idea to gain control of the accounts before investing on a dev though. It may be more than just a facelift unless we get a hold of XBCPlus.com and the rest of the social media accounts. We would make a bigger and better impression for funding if we could have a site, project plans, and team info prior to starting a full fundraising campaign. It would be bad if the community raised the money to reamp the coin only to have the old team regain control of the accounts...
I think it would be a smart idea to gain control of the accounts before investing on a dev though. It may be more than just a facelift unless we get a hold of XBCPlus.com and the rest of the social media accounts. We would make a bigger and better impression for funding if we could have a site, project plans, and team info prior to starting a full fundraising campaign. It would be bad if the community raised the money to reamp the coin only to have the old team regain control of the accounts...
There is no need to regain control of those accounts because coin name is BitcoinPlus and it's ticker is XBC - xbcplus.com means bitcoinplusplus.com so it is not really fitting.
You bring up some good points...
I think it would be a smart idea to gain control of the accounts before investing on a dev though. It may be more than just a facelift unless we get a hold of XBCPlus.com and the rest of the social media accounts. We would make a bigger and better impression for funding if we could have a site, project plans, and team info prior to starting a full fundraising campaign. It would be bad if the community raised the money to reamp the coin only to have the old team regain control of the accounts...
Currently, there is not an XBC team (that I know of), no business structure or plan, no real leadership (Beef already gracefully said that he wants to step down from his position), and no one wants to speak up about the domain and social media accounts. All of this needs to be dealt with first in my book.
Obviously, it would be a democracy where the core team would take requests from the community or bagholders, and if realistic, figure out an implementation plan. This team would look after the best interests of the community while also making smart decisions for the business (the coin).
As far as recruiting goes, I think the following would be ideal, but due to a non existent budget, the team would have to be much smaller in the beginning.
The project managers report to the bagholders on a weekly basis. Also, the bagholder's in this case would act like a "board of directors".
-project manager- administrative (supervises finance/strategy, business development, PR, marketing/design)
-project manager- technology (supervises crypto devs, web devs, helpdesk)
-Crypto devs
-Web devs
-Helpdesk support
-Finance/Strategy/Business Development
-PR/Forum Mods
-Marketing/Design
I'm sure that the old team is still holding a large amount of coins, but they will not have to contribute. The auto stake would take care of this on its own. I understand that people have stolen automatically staked funds before, but what if there was a system where multiple users (team members) would have to approve a wallet funds release for salaries, marketing, giveaways, etc...? Almost like having multiple people authorize access to a safety deposit box.
These are just thoughts of course...
I'll reach out to coinerz to see if he has access to any of these accounts.
I think it would be a smart idea to gain control of the accounts before investing on a dev though. It may be more than just a facelift unless we get a hold of XBCPlus.com and the rest of the social media accounts. We would make a bigger and better impression for funding if we could have a site, project plans, and team info prior to starting a full fundraising campaign. It would be bad if the community raised the money to reamp the coin only to have the old team regain control of the accounts...
Currently, there is not an XBC team (that I know of), no business structure or plan, no real leadership (Beef already gracefully said that he wants to step down from his position), and no one wants to speak up about the domain and social media accounts. All of this needs to be dealt with first in my book.
Obviously, it would be a democracy where the core team would take requests from the community or bagholders, and if realistic, figure out an implementation plan. This team would look after the best interests of the community while also making smart decisions for the business (the coin).
As far as recruiting goes, I think the following would be ideal, but due to a non existent budget, the team would have to be much smaller in the beginning.
The project managers report to the bagholders on a weekly basis. Also, the bagholder's in this case would act like a "board of directors".
-project manager- administrative (supervises finance/strategy, business development, PR, marketing/design)
-project manager- technology (supervises crypto devs, web devs, helpdesk)
-Crypto devs
-Web devs
-Helpdesk support
-Finance/Strategy/Business Development
-PR/Forum Mods
-Marketing/Design
I'm sure that the old team is still holding a large amount of coins, but they will not have to contribute. The auto stake would take care of this on its own. I understand that people have stolen automatically staked funds before, but what if there was a system where multiple users (team members) would have to approve a wallet funds release for salaries, marketing, giveaways, etc...? Almost like having multiple people authorize access to a safety deposit box.
These are just thoughts of course...
I'll reach out to coinerz to see if he has access to any of these accounts.
Good effort subSTRATA.Will the payment be in bitcoin or XBC?The idea of percentage of staked coins going to dev team is still a good one though because that way maybe those with the largest bags contribute the most as they also have the most to gain.It would be sort of like a fair tax system on hoarded/banked coins something like a DIRT tax on bank deposits.
I think Mindfox and others in XBC team already have large bags, do you see them contributing?
Developers or bounties or whatever else should never be paid in XBC because it is almost certain those coins gonna end up dumped on exchange. It is much more desirable to pay
in BTC and then if developers or whoever else see potential in XBC they would buy some coins. Pump instead of dump. Besides, if developer wants a mere 1 BTC for the job that
would mean around 7% of all XBC = around 4,000 coins! Not only that much coins is hard to get but it is not smart to give 7% of all coins to just 1 person.
To clarify more:
Proposed wallet facelifting should be looked at as creation of different XBC wallet. Just like Bitcoin has Armory, MultiBit and other wallets, new XBC wallet would do the same job
as current one. Unless there is a hard-fork event and one of wallets is made to go it's own route there is no need to make hard decisions - you can continue using current wallet
but keep in mind it is outdated, unsecure and unstable and as such not really useful as foundation for future developments.
Developer agreed on payment only after new codebase is checked by Poloniex and MintPal and network is running on it correctly for at least 1 week. Users would not be required
to upgrade but exchanges would certainly find it a good move to switch to improved wallet version (see the case with corrupted wallet above). As for Mindfox, there is nothing
he has to give up but here are some disturbing facts about him:
1. He is nowhere to be found.
2. He possibly controls majority of network "hashrate" (stakes) and thus possibly generates over 50% of all blocks.
3. As far as I see, he wants money for any XBC upgrades, even minor ones - if it is so, I know much better developers who will do the job for the same amount of money, or less.
From my perspective, Mindfox is major threat to XBC and PoS changes - if ever implemented - will be done in such a way to prevent any single entity or a group working together
from again putting XBC in situation as it is right now. Currently used PoS systems (XBC or other PoS coins) are not final, there is plenty of room for upgrades. I don't want to talk
more on that matter, other coin developers are around - it is not in XBC community interest to post good unimplemented ideas here.
I'm aware of the fact Mindfox didn't intentionaly put himself into control of XBC network - majority of XBC users were simply too uninterested in running local wallets and staking
so as a developer Mindfox went through trouble of creating countless transactions to make network work. As noble as that was, it puts him into postion where if he decides to go
bad XBC network might run into stall issues or he could possibly 51% attack exchanges to oblivion.
Prevention is always better than a cure.
As soon as I know the prices I'll post them here. As for (minor) issues, some of them are already posted on this and old XBC thread, others will be posted once detailed report is
done for developer. The most serious bugs are ones that were already fixed in Bitcoin, that is why codebase upgrade makes sense - for hopefuly not much money we get all the
hard, months-long work by Bitcoin developers.
to upgrade but exchanges would certainly find it a good move to switch to improved wallet version (see the case with corrupted wallet above). As for Mindfox, there is nothing
he has to give up but here are some disturbing facts about him:
1. He is nowhere to be found.
2. He possibly controls majority of network "hashrate" (stakes) and thus possibly generates over 50% of all blocks.
3. As far as I see, he wants money for any XBC upgrades, even minor ones - if it is so, I know much better developers who will do the job for the same amount of money, or less.
From my perspective, Mindfox is major threat to XBC and PoS changes - if ever implemented - will be done in such a way to prevent any single entity or a group working together
from again putting XBC in situation as it is right now. Currently used PoS systems (XBC or other PoS coins) are not final, there is plenty of room for upgrades. I don't want to talk
more on that matter, other coin developers are around - it is not in XBC community interest to post good unimplemented ideas here.
I'm aware of the fact Mindfox didn't intentionaly put himself into control of XBC network - majority of XBC users were simply too uninterested in running local wallets and staking
so as a developer Mindfox went through trouble of creating countless transactions to make network work. As noble as that was, it puts him into postion where if he decides to go
bad XBC network might run into stall issues or he could possibly 51% attack exchanges to oblivion.
Prevention is always better than a cure.
Could you or the dev itemize the "dozens of minor" issues and include a cost with these items?
As soon as I know the prices I'll post them here. As for (minor) issues, some of them are already posted on this and old XBC thread, others will be posted once detailed report is
done for developer. The most serious bugs are ones that were already fixed in Bitcoin, that is why codebase upgrade makes sense - for hopefuly not much money we get all the
hard, months-long work by Bitcoin developers.
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