Topic: XBC now with optional anon & encrypted messaging - page 25. (Read 76657 times)

Interesting Mr. Tyrant...

Would Mindfox have to give up control of anything for this to happen?

Is there a standard amount of time that crypto devs support their work after going live?  Let's say a 30 or 90 day support window after the facelift phase is completed.  I know that there is a testing phase, but things happen after going into production.  Could you or the dev itemize the "dozens of minor" issues and include a cost with these items?  A last minute budget buster could ruin the project.

Do you have any other details on this dev and his work?

Too many loose ends for me to donate to it, and too many folks that seem unwilling to give up control of the XBC accounts at the moment.  This could change however...

I'm currently negotiating the deal with known developer (not Mindfox) to facelift XBC and eventualy add changes to how PoS system works. Facelift would include the following:

1. Upgrade XBC codebase to the newest Bitcoin - dozens of nasty issues would be fixed, database switch to LevelDB (faster startup and shutdown and less data corruption).
2. Icons for new logo and addition of it to wallet (Overview tab) - new logo is the one at starting post here.
3. Fixes for dozens of (minor) issues specific to XBC.

Those changes would not require hard-fork, user does not need to upgrade if he or she does not want to. Facelift is absolutely neccessary, current XBC codebase is outdated
and having issues at multiple areas (just yesterday I had to pull wallet backup out because XBC wallet started complaining about some issue and refused to start). Any major
future change or addition to XBC wallet would be much easier if foundation is stable, solid and secure.

PoS system should be changed but details on that (and consequently hard-fork) are months in future, if we actualy ever come to that point. For now, I want to know if there
are XBC holders that would like to participate in facelift phase by donating some money to pay mentioned developer. I don't have a quote for final price yet, still waiting for it.
Understand that it is not my fault if you decide to go full retard and go buy XBC now then cry later because there was no wallet upgrade - if price developer asks is too high
and if I'm the only one who is willing to put money on table then the whole deal will be canceled! I'm nowhere near to be a major XBC stakeholder so I'm not willing to put much
money into wallet facelift and eventual future upgrades.

I GrounBEEFMillenium solemnly sware my oath to XBC and all the work that is going to be required to bring it to the big time.  I currently have 1280 XBC and will remain to hold until we dominate parity with Bitcoin.  All that is required will be done and I am now asking for half criticizers and believers of said coin to emerge and help us.  As long as integrity, honesty, upmost transparency and democracy remains...........XBC will dominate.  I am true believer of coin, always have always will(all of Poloniex knows of my utmost fanaticism).  Let's have some fun and really innovate this cryptospace..........I whole heartedly cheers to everyone and much CHUP, much success and much greatness to the world.  I will be privage messaging all of you tonight that has been on this forum of whether yay or nay wish to be on team.

No dictator... it has to be democracy where everything is approved by the bagholders.  (those who own 1% or more as originally planned) I think that the automatic stake is still a good incentive for the team, and others of the community seem to think so as well.  Almost like stock options that you receive as part of your benefits package.  Trust me, it helps with long term retention and overall business morale.  Obviously, if this is denied by mindfox or the "shareholders" then it would not be put into place.  BUT, there are other ways of bringing in revenue and they WILL need a project manager... a dictator is strong word.  A fundraiser is a good idea, but I would think that a team would have to be put in place, as well as a website, and major decisions would have to be made before one is organized.  Let's start small.

As far as you keeping your identity a secret, go ahead, I encourage everyone to... BUT, I think that as a security measure the core team members need to have their identity verified by the rest of the team.  This is for everyone's good, otherwise you run the same risk.  Someone would think twice before taking community coins, funds, etc. if they know that the rest of us could show up at their doorstep.  Other coin teams are doing this, I really don't see an issue if you don't have anything to hide.

I agree with everything else you said.  And I don't have any details, I'm just brainstorming.  Constructive criticism welcomed.  Just take it easy guys, I'm looking at it from a business perspective with limited crypto knowledge.

There are other ways of generating revenue if the automatic stake option ends up being denied.  Who currently controls the domain, dns, twitter, facebook, linkedin, etc?  Those accounts need to be turned over to Mindfox and G-Beef.

Then perhaps Ground Beef should start answering the questions that people have asked in this thread instead of brushing them aside. Also, perhaps Ground Beef should back up his claims that he tried to contact me 'many times' by posting all of the emails, PMs etc... that I have asked for. ie - don't make silly claims unless you are sure you can back them up.


Ground Beef needs to learn to take advice from people who have a lot more experience than him and not get all pissy that people are bringing a touch of reality into his fantasyland. This is why you aren't going to find anybody who is going to help you build Parthenon.

Also, I had moved on a long time ago. If you remember rightly, I was brought back into this thread because somebody had compromised both the XBCPlus.com domain account and the XBCPlus twitter account and it was left to me to mop things up once again as you weren't doing a thing about it.

Anyway, as I've already mentioned, you're going to have to create your own website now. I really can't be associated with what this has become and I can't keep bailing you out either.

Good luck

That was tried with many coins, the most notable cases are DVC and FRC, with expectable result = developers are getting coins from every mined block but doing nothing. Much
better approach is if developers come up with some idea and then ask community for funds. Or if community come up with some idea and then pay developers to implement it.

coinerz is doesn't want xbc to use the site that he made.  That's fine.  moving forward, i think that...

If you or mindfox gain access to dns and the domain, I can create a basic page with the xbc logo, specs, contact info, project plans + updates, etc...  we can then setup the team emails in the contact us section.. or at least have [email protected] as a general mailbox that the team can access just in case someone sends and email.  Now, depending on the hosting, we could assign emails to everyone on the team and also have others like info, pr, help, dev, support@xbcplus, etc...  the page doesn't have to be fancy, just clean and to the point initially.  something like this would show the crypto community that there's progress and some organization behind the coin.  It would also entice dev's out there...

Im my mind, mindfox if the one who has ultimate control over this coin, and IF he agrees to all of this then the coin stands a chance for now.  There needs to be a way to keep him around long term and also bring more devs in.  Apparently there's no cash for recruitment (or anything else for that matter), so this poses a problem.  Would it be possible for XBC to start almost like a crypto dev intern program for upcoming devs and students to join and work under mindfox's supervision?  XBC could almost charge a minimal fee for something like this if it's marketed right.  It would lighten the workload on mindfox eventually, and if played right, XBC could eventually contract out hourly dev's to other coin communities who may be in need of a temp help.  Almost like managed crypto dev services...
  
Again, I'll say this.  I think a small percentage of the stake needs to go to the team, even if its a very small percentage.  I dont think polling the community and waiting for and answer is needed for this one.  If mindfox agrees to it , or if an agreement can be negotioated, then just make it happen, post it on the website and the threads to let the community know, and just let it be.  It's a business decision for the best of the coin, it is what it is.  Financials can then be started after this is in place.

ALSO, everyone on the team should provide their real identity contact info, it all needs to be verified, and there needs to be an initial video meeting.  NO EXCEPTIONS.  I'm here to make money like everyone else is, but I will not to screw anyone over.  KARMA (or some form of it) IS REAL and I refuse work with someone who has something to hide.

I am not a dev and I don't have much experience with crypto, but I have been a network admin for 20 years.  The last 5 years, I have slowly transitioned to upper management.  I can bring some things to the table, but there needs to be some organization behind this.

Unfortunately everyone has left XBC. There are no people to provide a solution.

1. There is no leadership besides someone who genuinely doesn't have a clue about building an effective team.
2. There is no viable plan to rescue the coin apart from a silly idea which is simply not attainable.
3. There is no development team and no developers want to take over the project.
4. There is no marketing team to promote XBC and no funds with which to promote it.

Literally the only people who still know that XBC exists are the five or six people on this thread, people who, to quote your good self are 'still not giving up no matter what fud happens'. If you looked into other coins properly, you'll see how ridiculously far ahead they are in terms of leadership, development, funding, marketing and everything else it takes.

I genuinely hope you all make your millions with XBC, but unfortunately, there are no mystical saviours who are going to magically appear and make everything better.

Fellow devout XBCers.  Thanks for hanging in while this drama is lingering.  I will make it onto the free node either tonight or tomorrow when I can.  Not to peg any further on the Coinerz issue....but I'll be damned if he's gonna be right on the ultimate result on how XBC plays out.  I will start assembling a list on all those wishing to join the team.   I'll personally contact each one of you asking for a yay or nay response and maybe ask what you can help with and suggestions as to what I can do also(from you own mind).  After this I'll figure out how to be in constant contact with yall and maybe we can work through this.....allocate all the contacts we can utilize at our disposal and really make this work.  Stay tuned....

GrounBEEFMillenium

GroundBeef. Just a litle hint. Have you looked in the irc lately? There are some interesting people in there for a wile. Urocoin devs, M. Langdon and some others. Have you asked them what they are doing there? I asked true-assed (urocoin lead dev). He said it's because he thinks XBC is a master of POS and checks what happens with XBC.

Langdon is a Dev from the sterlingcoin.

And yes Egghead, world Pease is my main goal in live And again the stake change is a good option in my opinion. One third coinholder, good course and dev-team. Lets call it the Acropolis project.

And I disagree with coinerz on the point of funding programmers. When they buy in 2% coins they fund their own project. That's why I think the original dev is such a dumass. XBC was on it's way of reaching one BTC each, when developed properly, he/they could have earned much much more.

XBC can be the biggest altcoin. Just repeat the next names loud. Biebercoin, Piggycoin, Pinkcoin, Multiwalletcoin, Canabiscoin, Hobonickels, Auroracoin, etc, etc..............BitcoinPlus. Witch one sounds the best?

Yes, it is just like real world.  


You don't know that. XBC is an open source project and for as long as trade volume is high enough to keep coin at 2 good exchanges it will be a hot pick for all developers. With
marketcap at merely 15 BTC and other metrics, XBC is a perfect chance for smart and competent developer or few of them to make some serious disturbances around. There is
no need to start from scratch, coin already offers so much more than most others. If neccessary or desirable, XBC can be moved to completely different codebase (even to NXT).

Anyone ever heard of Bidding pond?It seems like they are trying a crypto version of ebay?

Blessed be the peacemaker.Oldnoob you are patron intermediary saint of xbc

BitcoinPlus currently does less than $10 trade volume a day. This means that very few people will be keeping their wallets open to stake. As a knock-on effect, this means that the total amount staked for the entire XBC network will be just a few cents per day. If you're planning on siphoning some of this off to developers, I have two questions:

1. What developer would work on this for a fraction of a few cents per day?
2. Why would an investor not simply just move over to another coin where he gets to keep 100% of the stake?



This whole idea is a non-starter for the following reasons:

1. It requires both buyer and vendor to have the XBC wallet installed in order to make a purchase. If the vendor doesn't have their wallet open at the time then the buyer would need to wait until the vendor had checked their wallet, authorised the sale and sent the item. Compare this to the immediacy of using traditional online shopping methods like Amazon or iTunes where the buyer makes their purchase and can immediately download the file.

2. What if the vendor has bad bandwidth? If I bought a file from someone, I'd want to make sure it could be downloaded properly. Places like Amazon and iTunes are connected to the internet via huge data infrastructures. When I buy my file from Mr Corncob from Bumblefuck, Nowhere, I don't want to be waiting hours for his pitiful upload bandwidth to crank out the bytes.

3. What if I lose my file? Mr Corncob has already got my money. Why would he send it to me again? With iTunes and Amazon, you can always redownload your purchases.

4. What about digital rights management? How do I ensure that my file cannot be stolen and played on another machine? Would Parthenon also cater for this? And if so, how would it do this?

5. What about copyright? How would you ensure that Mr Corncob was the real owner of the digital file that they were selling? Given the decentralised nature of crypto, how would you ensure that it conformed to the differing laws and regulations of each country? Companies like Amazon and iTunes have huge legal departments which check and verify everything before its put on sale.

I have lots more queries, but I'll stop there because they'll probably just get ignored anyway.


Where are you getting this silly statistic from? iTunes and Kindle cater to everyone from the tiniest publisher and musician right up to the mega-corporates.

Here is a link on getting your stuff published on Amazon
http://www.amazon.com/gp/seller-account/mm-summary-page.html?topic=200260520

And here's a link for getting published on iTunes
https://www.apple.com/uk/itunes/working-itunes/sell-content/music-faq.html

Even if this statistic about Kindle/iTunes not catering to 98% of the market were in any way true, what makes you think that this untapped 98% of the market would download, install and create an account on Parthenon, then convert their regular money into XBC to make purchases?

Apple and Amazon are two of the richest companies on the planet and they have hundreds of millions of dollars to throw into marketing. XBC has zero funds whatsoever (apart from your 1280 coins) How would to even begin to compete with this? We've already seen that marketing isn't your strong point due to your failure to keep up the website and the fact that you've not used the Twitter/Facebook groups once.

Just to further outline the futility of your idea, here's the purchase flow for Apple/Amazon vs Parthenon - you tell me which one you would use?

Apple/Amazon
1. Find item from listings containing tens of millions of legal and verified files.
2. Pay for item using the currency and payment method of your choice.
3. Immediately download item.
4. If item is lost, redownload item.

Parthenon
1. Download Parthenon app.
2. Purchase Bitcoin using dollars.
3. Transfer Bitcoin to Poloniex.
4. Use Bitcoin to buy XBC.
5. Register details with Parthenon
6. Transfer XBC to Parthenon app.
7. Find item from listings containing legally questionably files from vendors who have their wallets open at that specific moment (remember that crypto is decentralised, so only the files connected to the network at the time of searching would appear).
8. Purchase item, using only XBC.
9. Hope that vendor is online and is able to verify purchase - this could be minutes, hours, days or months.
10. Assuming that the vendor is legit (there wouldn't be any checks to prove they're not a scammer) the purchaser gets sent the item at the speed governed by the vendors internet connection.
11. If item is lost, rely on the goodwill of vendor to resend.


1280 XBC is worth between $100 and $150. Assuming that you found a programmer who was daft enough to want to take on this project, do you really think they would commit months of work for the same amount of money that they could earn in two to three hours normal work? You are also assuming that a single programmer would have all the skills necessary to produce the entire thing. This would not be the case. Programmers tend to work in teams as people specialise in different areas.

In addition to this, besides vague ramblings about a piece of software that will revolutionise the world of digital publishing, you have not produced any technical specifications, white papers, marketing plans or any other documentation to show how you are going to go about this. As you say above 'you have no programming experience' - and it really shows. Anybody can have an idea that they think is a world beater. Very few people can make it happen. There is a huge difference between 'talking the talk' and 'walking the walk'.

This whole thing reminds me of this rather amusing clip:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azRzqI3BJ2A


I have left a message with Azor to delete the zip file I gave him. After reading this, I really can't have my work associated with this kind of debacle. I'm also not happy about your stupid accusations that I 'jumped ship' or the fact that you have simply ignored every single one of the questions that have been directed at you in this thread. You've not even replied to the request I made previously where I've asked you to post proof of the 'multiple times' that you say that you've contacted me.

In addition to this, pretty much nothing on the old website is relevant any more.


JJMV will need to create a brand new website based on the new direction XBC is moving in. As I mentioned above, the XBC I agreed to help out bears absolutely no resemblance to this new direction which is rooted in the realms of a confusing and unattainable pipedream. I just hope that he knows what he's getting in to.


Mindfox runs the main central node of XBC, but this is all he is doing. He is doing this because if he doesn't, the entire XBC network will stop functioning. He is playing no further part in the development of XBC and you should make this clear, rather than claiming that 'all is well with him'.

Essentially, as you've stated above, the team now consists of yourself, JJMV and perhaps Azor/Yoda at a stretch. XBC has no wallet developers or publicists any more and this is what it really needs.

Guys guys guys, shake hands and do something constructive with this passion.

Coinerz, If its such a waste of time. Why are you typing novels of anti XBC rhetoric.  I thought you moved on?  If you're such a genius you should know trying to make a bunch of babble rabbles understand your superior intelligence is a waste of your time.  We don't need the negativity in here and GrounBEEF is not digging your tone.  We will find the people to make this work and you're not helping one bit so please....move on to another coin you think will beat Bitcoin .  All the best.

Egghead I hope you make a 1000% profit some day.

Everybody stop their whinging and crying like little babies.I have probably lost more on this coin than the whole population of this thread combined and I am still not giving up no matter what fud happens.If people are the cause of the problem then I assure they are also the solution.

Read and gloat or at least have a good laugh.Who gives a shit?

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I don't really know why you quoted that but... itsn't it true?  

Anyway, did you get burned by XBC or where you burning others?  I never post on a thread unless I have some ties with it already.  I lost .5 btc during the second XBC push, that's why I'm here.  Why r u here sir?