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In the meantime btc's still falling, time to get into the 2nd gen crypto train peeps  Smiley



The reasons for current BTC price weaknesses are interesting. Margin trading is the likely culprit.

Beginning at the beginning (by way of foreplay), missionary position explanations are here:

http://www.coindesk.com/price-bitcoin-falls-500-lowest-level-since-may/


However, the best explanation is probably that margin trading has increased significantly (BTC fire sales are taking place when leveraged traders who get it wrong are forced to close their positions rapidly)

http://www.coindesk.com/margin-trading-crash-price-bitcoin/



Longer term, if regulation clamps down on margin trading to some extent, I adhere to the Telegraphs views on the subject.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/currency/10960012/Bitcoin-price-to-hit-2000-by-end-of-the-year.html
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If the price is less than 3 k satoshi, I will buy 50 BTC.
I cant see your order?

Com on. Really? Can't you at least do the math? There is 100 milion of XCR. So the amount of it you can buy at 3 satoshi is.. 0.00000003 * 100 million = 3 BTC

Be positive, but don't write things just because you think it can pump/dump stuff.
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In the meantime btc's still falling, time to get into the 2nd gen crypto train peeps  Smiley

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3. Gamblers just hold. If you do not have any more BTC to put up buy orders that means you are gambler, period.

I disagree.  If you do not have any more BTC to put up to buy orders that means you are FULLY INVESTED.  

Investors hold for the long term, Gamblers buy and sell as the price goes up and down.  

subSTRADA was talking about traders... not investors. They are different!

Problem is that you noobs think investor is someone who buys and holds no matter what which is not true.

All hail the omniscient substrata. I sense a cult in the making and must commend you for imagining yourself to be more intelligent than all here present. I sense movement below stairs just thinking about it.

However, the truth of the matter is that traders have their own ideas and plans. Unless arguments can withstand logical scrutiny, they are based on fallacies.

By way of example, your 'idea' that anyone who declines to place buy orders for XCR (at 100 Satoshi or less) is acting illogically and is therefore a gambler makes no sense at all.

When you place a buy order (even a ridiculous buy order) it is nonetheless necessary to invest BTC in that buy order, In other words, you have to put your money where your mouth is. Else every nutter on the planet would place crazy buy orders and never fulfill them.

The result of this perfectly understandable requirement (that is, that you must have the money to support your buy order) is that your BTC is locked into the buy order for the duration of that buy order. It is therefore unavailable for other purposes within the duration of the buy order. Simple as a dimple wearing a wimple.

Bearing this in mind, lets have a quick look at your argument. You maintain that anyone who does not yet hold a superabundance of low price buy orders on BTER is a gambler. You also maintain that people who decline to sell their XCR are gamblers. Really?

First of all, wasting resources by placing ridiculously low buy orders for XCR is fundamentally illogical. Resources should be put to optimal use. Locking BTC into mad buy orders is suboptimal. Secondly, your attention is invited to the fallacy ad argumentum generalis (which has been around since the time of Aristotle and never seems to grow old). Your argument is as follows:

'All traders who do not invest BTC by way of optimistic XCR buy orders are gamblers, therefore, because you have not invested your BTC in low value buy orders, you are a gambler'.

Note how your conclusion has been pre-disastered by engineering it into your premise.

A further example of a similar fallacy is the fallacy ad argumentum a priori, an example of which is as follows: 'The Bible tells us of the existence of God, therefore God exists because the Bible tells us so'.

My advice, Substrata, is that you read a book on Boolean Algebraic Logic before contaminating our collective consciousness further.

Edit: Crypti is the state of the art second generation currency. Even before the wallet release, it appears to have achieved greater favour with traders than any other currency to date. It will, on the balance of probabilities, enjoy significant increases in price when released. Genesis investors who sold have already made significant profits. Those who continue to hold Crypti are acting perfectly logically. It is the best alt-coin out there I am aware of and will likely benefit (in terms of trading volume) from the NXT heist. Good day.





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I had many account passphrase that correlate to account numbers... some are easy to remember and I also have a launch day spreadsheet set up... So no big deal but will these accounts on the demo still work?
Like will the same passphrase hash the same account number?

Same pass phrase will always map to same account number whether it's testnet or mainnet, as this how the priv/pub are keys created in Crypti.

I strongly suggest not keeping the passwords in spreadsheet (see Klee case), but an in encrypted software, such as KeePass or LastPass.


Yes!! No one keep your passphrases in a word doc... sry I typed it a little mis-leading... I have a spreadsheet with account numbers and amounts to send each one of them.... My pasphrases are in a secure location I have the 2 I will used most memorized already... hahah sorta why I wanted to know if these long 100 character passphrase in my head was going to line up with the same account... easier to change the speardsheet then memorize new passphrase... Like I said my account numbers I will be using daily are easy to remember for ppl around me as well (account numbers to me will be like long phone numbers...) I hashed well over 200- 100 character pasphrases to find account numbers I liked... I'm just happy this work doesnt need to done again...
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Just to play devil's advocate. Couldn't Bter show you anyone's BTC address and say it's theirs? As I'm sure there are quite a few people that use the site and have large BTC holdings..

This has crossed our minds when doing a team conference yesterday, we will ask Bter for a solution.

Solution is simple. Say they should send you 0.123456 BTC from that address as a test.
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@DEV, I want to withdraw Crypti from Bter to local wallet, is there a way???

 XCR didt launched . the plan had changed because of BTER. dev said that they will launch it on Sunday.

Monday

"Based on bter info "expected to get back to Crypti mainnet integration on Sunday"  we could launch Crypti as early as on Monday 18/8"
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@DEV, I want to withdraw Crypti from Bter to local wallet, is there a way???

 XCR didt launched . the plan had changed because of BTER. dev said that they will launch it on Sunday.
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Angel investor.
@DEV, I want to withdraw Crypti from Bter to local wallet, is there a way???
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Here look me and SyRenity PM'd about this back on July 28th... trust me the Devs are and where prepared for this just like I was... Things can happen it's all about being ready if they do... I'm not going to post our whole convo on here... believe me or not.. Devs where ready for this just incase

OK i'm sure you guys have thought this through.. But what if Bter "goes down" like a Mt. Gox... How would we ever trace back who traded what... I'm not sure how good your relationship is with Bter and don't want to give any ideas to anyone... which is why I PM'd you... At this point I can prove (somewhat) by a screen shoot of my Bter account and the ledger what I own... well both those could be faked for sure... but if for any reason Bter wants to sabotage crypti or if they get a high volume of BTC from crypti.. I would just hate to see them "get hacked" or pretend to get hacked or some other BS...

This just may be me way too paranoid... I'm sure the amount of BTC they would lose from a silly stunt... like trying to screw crypti... would be not enough to do anything... but I just thought I would weigh in...

I personally don't think I will be trading early... but I see you guys had to do this before someone really got scammed trying to trade Tokens on there own...

I can't wait to see how the next few weeks play out!!!!      

Wow good foresight.

Prescient stuff Sam. Does the community think BTER hacked itself to make money or that it was a genuine outside job arising from the absence of 2FA protecting a server?

How does the story stack? Was it a false flag attack or were BTER unfortunate in failing to secure a server with 2FA?
hero member
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I had many account passphrase that correlate to account numbers... some are easy to remember and I also have a launch day spreadsheet set up... So no big deal but will these accounts on the demo still work?
Like will the same passphrase hash the same account number?

Same pass phrase will always map to same account number whether it's testnet or mainnet, as this how the priv/pub are keys created in Crypti.

I strongly suggest not keeping the passwords in spreadsheet (see Klee case), but an in encrypted software, such as KeePass or LastPass.
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Just to play devil's advocate. Couldn't Bter show you anyone's BTC address and say it's theirs? As I'm sure there are quite a few people that use the site and have large BTC holdings..

This has crossed our minds when doing a team conference yesterday, we will ask Bter for a solution.
legendary
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I've just deposited 0.1 BTC on BTER for testing. Worked fine. It was there after 1 confirmation.

https://blockchain.info/tx/828fe70828f66ddc43951f3e744c7cbfad0505ec5799d4bbe223d649ee1b06e7

wtf?

I tried a deposit as well and work just fine.

Almost 3 hours now... I dont know whats going on..
I've just deposited 0.1 BTC on BTER for testing. Worked fine. It was there after 1 confirmation.

https://blockchain.info/tx/828fe70828f66ddc43951f3e744c7cbfad0505ec5799d4bbe223d649ee1b06e7

wtf?

I tried a deposit as well and work just fine.

Almost 3 hours now... I dont know whats going on..
perhaps you didn't pay a fee when sending it. That can delay things for quite a while..
I sent 0.01 BTC and worked just fine..

You pay a $5 fee for a single transaction..? I hope it was a relatively large transaction.
I've just deposited 0.1 BTC on BTER for testing. Worked fine. It was there after 1 confirmation.

https://blockchain.info/tx/828fe70828f66ddc43951f3e744c7cbfad0505ec5799d4bbe223d649ee1b06e7

wtf?

I tried a deposit as well and work just fine.

Almost 3 hours now... I dont know whats going on..
I've just deposited 0.1 BTC on BTER for testing. Worked fine. It was there after 1 confirmation.

https://blockchain.info/tx/828fe70828f66ddc43951f3e744c7cbfad0505ec5799d4bbe223d649ee1b06e7

wtf?

I tried a deposit as well and work just fine.

Almost 3 hours now... I dont know whats going on..
perhaps you didn't pay a fee when sending it. That can delay things for quite a while..
I sent 0.01 BTC and worked just fine..

You pay a $5 fee for a single transaction..? I hope it was a relatively large transaction.

What . I sent 0.01 BTC (Yes about $5) and a small transaction fee of a cent
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I've just deposited 0.1 BTC on BTER for testing. Worked fine. It was there after 1 confirmation.

https://blockchain.info/tx/828fe70828f66ddc43951f3e744c7cbfad0505ec5799d4bbe223d649ee1b06e7

wtf?

I tried a deposit as well and work just fine.

Almost 3 hours now... I dont know whats going on..
Check your Bter BTC deposit address and make sure it is up to date. During the changes today they also changed deposit addresses. I had to change mine a few minutes ago and my transaction went through in a matter of minutes. I now have an additional buy order for more XCR.
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I've just deposited 0.1 BTC on BTER for testing. Worked fine. It was there after 1 confirmation.

https://blockchain.info/tx/828fe70828f66ddc43951f3e744c7cbfad0505ec5799d4bbe223d649ee1b06e7

wtf?

I tried a deposit as well and work just fine.

Almost 3 hours now... I dont know whats going on..
I've just deposited 0.1 BTC on BTER for testing. Worked fine. It was there after 1 confirmation.

https://blockchain.info/tx/828fe70828f66ddc43951f3e744c7cbfad0505ec5799d4bbe223d649ee1b06e7

wtf?

I tried a deposit as well and work just fine.

Almost 3 hours now... I dont know whats going on..
perhaps you didn't pay a fee when sending it. That can delay things for quite a while..
I sent 0.01 BTC and worked just fine..

You pay a $5 fee for a single transaction..? I hope it was a relatively large transaction.
full member
Activity: 147
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I've just deposited 0.1 BTC on BTER for testing. Worked fine. It was there after 1 confirmation.

https://blockchain.info/tx/828fe70828f66ddc43951f3e744c7cbfad0505ec5799d4bbe223d649ee1b06e7

wtf?

It's a Bitcoin transaction delay. Not related to BTER.

Bitcoin transaction times are 10-15 minutes on average, but there is no guarantee. It can take 2 days. This is why Bitcoin will be replaced by another coin. It's way too slow.
legendary
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Bter update

We got a quick update from Bter regarding timelines. They currently working on securing their systems, and expected to get back to Crypti mainnet integration on Sunday.
This means that in case they complete it within a day (as originally planned), we could launch Crypti as early as on Monday 18/8.


Bter has also provided us with their cold wallet public address, so we could verify the investor funds are intact. We have looked at the wallet located at the address, and can confirm that it contains a significant amount of BTC, which could easily cover the amount that Bter should transfer us on the launch.

Just to play devil's advocate. Couldn't Bter show you anyone's BTC address and say it's theirs? As I'm sure there are quite a few people that use the site and have large BTC holdings..
legendary
Activity: 1121
Merit: 1003
I've just deposited 0.1 BTC on BTER for testing. Worked fine. It was there after 1 confirmation.

https://blockchain.info/tx/828fe70828f66ddc43951f3e744c7cbfad0505ec5799d4bbe223d649ee1b06e7

wtf?

I tried a deposit as well and work just fine.

Almost 3 hours now... I dont know whats going on..
I've just deposited 0.1 BTC on BTER for testing. Worked fine. It was there after 1 confirmation.

https://blockchain.info/tx/828fe70828f66ddc43951f3e744c7cbfad0505ec5799d4bbe223d649ee1b06e7

wtf?

I tried a deposit as well and work just fine.

Almost 3 hours now... I dont know whats going on..
perhaps you didn't pay a fee when sending it. That can delay things for quite a while..
I sent 0.01 BTC and worked just fine..
legendary
Activity: 1146
Merit: 1000
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