Author

Topic: [XCR] Crypti | Dapps | Sidechains | Dapp Store | OPEN SOURCE | 100% own code | DPoS - page 590. (Read 804702 times)

full member
Activity: 227
Merit: 100
I am very familiar with 2nd coins like NXT, EXO, Qora, this coin just has a little innovation on algo, so if total IPO amount is more than 200BTC, it has been beyond its real value, so I will wait until the last day, if total amount is less than 200BTC, I will invest some.

I'm assure the total IPO amount will more than 200BTC.
legendary
Activity: 1190
Merit: 1004
"This is a self-moderated topic. If you do not want to be moderated by the person who started this topic, create a new topic."

Fail
hero member
Activity: 966
Merit: 501

I am a little bit worried because there is no cap on invested money.

I am pretty happy to invest 1 BTC if the cap would be 100 BTC.
But without a cap and figures thrown around like 500 BTC, the situation looks different.

So I didn´t come to a final decision.

As I mentioned before, the cap is irrelevant for the most part. Yes, you will get a smaller amount strictly speaking in numbers terms, but the valuation of each coin will be higher due to the larger amount raised in the initial distribution which typically sets initial valuation.



That can´t be right.
In a couple of months nobody cares about how much was raised. Then only technology, community and adoption counts.
But it will be a big difference if I own 1% or 0.2%. That´s simple 5 times more.

But that´s not the whole point. I don´t like it to not know how much percent I will get. So it´s investing in the dark.

If we set a 1 BTC limit per person and a 250 BTC cap with a ratio of X Crypti to Y BTC, there are a finite amount of spaces in the pre-sale launch to get in on the ground floor of Crypti. We want as many people as desire to do so to be able to be a part of this launch. We decided it would be best to let the market dictate how the pre-sale would unfold.



If you set a invest limit of 1 btc per person, why set another limit 250 BTC of fund raise. it could me 10BTC or 100BTC which depend on how much people interested.

you just pretending that not understand. You just want investors compete with each other and only you will be the winner.  
Its ok if thats your plan,  but please admit it. don't pretending plz
your pretending make feel bad for this project.


BTW, there was another person called kora, he is a marketing person but not that strong on IT side.He is collecting 3000 active members on BTT, and hope new developers could work with him to carry out a fair project.  maybe you should have a look.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-ora-nxt-monetary-system-currency-620518

Did you read the initial question that was posed? If so, you would have seen that the person bringing up the issue wanted to know the exact amount of Crypti he would get for his investment. The only way to do that would be to make a limit on investment amount AND total amount so that it could be divided up in order for each investor to know exactly how much they would get for the investment they were going to make. In essence, you would have to say that 1 BTC would get you 250,000 Crypti for instance, and then you would also have to say that because of this, and the fact that the max distribution is 75,000,000, we could sell 300 shares in the launch. 300 x 250,000 = 75,000,000. In order for someone to know exactly what they are going to get, this has to be the method used. That or you have to be willing to adjust the total amount being created in the genesis block based on how many units are sold, which then their stake fluctuates anyways because they might buy 2 shares, so 500,000, but then if we end up selling 500, their 500,000 is now much less of the total.

I don't want to discourage anyone from posting but please ensure you understand the conversation at hand and do your research prior to posting LordHavok. Also, please try to avoid being overly inflammatory for no reason at all.

If you are one of the DEv team, due to your simple minded, this project will be a joke.  i forgive you due to your less of knowledge. please check how N2 distributed.  

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/annn2ipo100-posnxt-clonenew-featuresfull-version-available-606233

can't believe you guys are not pretending to be simple minded. you guys axx  !!!!

Please keep the Qora promotion to the Qora thread and please keep the personal attacks (LordHavok) to yourself. I will not retaliate and start a flame war with you and I'm sure Qora is great. I think some of our dev team were investors in Qora.

Also, if I were you, I wouldn't use that N2 launch as an example against us. He is doing a 75% investor / 25% developer breakdown the same as we are. He also states that if all 1.5 billion (or is it 2 billion, he says both at different points right next to each other), he says that 1 billion will be distributed at 75% / 25% and then the other 500,000,000 coins will go 45% investors / 55% developer. How is it that you are promoting that but saying we are greedy scammers? 55% of 500 million coins to the developer?

Listen, you are starting to get out of hand and I have tried to be polite. But if you continue to be inflammatory and directly attack me for no other reason than you are apparently board, I am going to have to stop responding to you.
N2 is distributed in a quite fair way.
The price is low (0.025-0.05btc for each 0.5%),
and when the deadline met, the unsold coins are distributed proportionally to all the stakeholders.

seriously?
N2 dev even change its terms after IPO started.
full member
Activity: 840
Merit: 100
Oikos.cash | Decentralized Finance on Tron

I am a little bit worried because there is no cap on invested money.

I am pretty happy to invest 1 BTC if the cap would be 100 BTC.
But without a cap and figures thrown around like 500 BTC, the situation looks different.

So I didn´t come to a final decision.

As I mentioned before, the cap is irrelevant for the most part. Yes, you will get a smaller amount strictly speaking in numbers terms, but the valuation of each coin will be higher due to the larger amount raised in the initial distribution which typically sets initial valuation.



That can´t be right.
In a couple of months nobody cares about how much was raised. Then only technology, community and adoption counts.
But it will be a big difference if I own 1% or 0.2%. That´s simple 5 times more.

But that´s not the whole point. I don´t like it to not know how much percent I will get. So it´s investing in the dark.

If we set a 1 BTC limit per person and a 250 BTC cap with a ratio of X Crypti to Y BTC, there are a finite amount of spaces in the pre-sale launch to get in on the ground floor of Crypti. We want as many people as desire to do so to be able to be a part of this launch. We decided it would be best to let the market dictate how the pre-sale would unfold.



If you set a invest limit of 1 btc per person, why set another limit 250 BTC of fund raise. it could me 10BTC or 100BTC which depend on how much people interested.

you just pretending that not understand. You just want investors compete with each other and only you will be the winner.  
Its ok if thats your plan,  but please admit it. don't pretending plz
your pretending make feel bad for this project.


BTW, there was another person called kora, he is a marketing person but not that strong on IT side.He is collecting 3000 active members on BTT, and hope new developers could work with him to carry out a fair project.  maybe you should have a look.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-ora-nxt-monetary-system-currency-620518

Did you read the initial question that was posed? If so, you would have seen that the person bringing up the issue wanted to know the exact amount of Crypti he would get for his investment. The only way to do that would be to make a limit on investment amount AND total amount so that it could be divided up in order for each investor to know exactly how much they would get for the investment they were going to make. In essence, you would have to say that 1 BTC would get you 250,000 Crypti for instance, and then you would also have to say that because of this, and the fact that the max distribution is 75,000,000, we could sell 300 shares in the launch. 300 x 250,000 = 75,000,000. In order for someone to know exactly what they are going to get, this has to be the method used. That or you have to be willing to adjust the total amount being created in the genesis block based on how many units are sold, which then their stake fluctuates anyways because they might buy 2 shares, so 500,000, but then if we end up selling 500, their 500,000 is now much less of the total.

I don't want to discourage anyone from posting but please ensure you understand the conversation at hand and do your research prior to posting LordHavok. Also, please try to avoid being overly inflammatory for no reason at all.

If you are one of the DEv team, due to your simple minded, this project will be a joke.  i forgive you due to your less of knowledge. please check how N2 distributed.  

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/annn2ipo100-posnxt-clonenew-featuresfull-version-available-606233

can't believe you guys are not pretending to be simple minded. you guys axx  !!!!

Please keep the Qora promotion to the Qora thread and please keep the personal attacks (LordHavok) to yourself. I will not retaliate and start a flame war with you and I'm sure Qora is great. I think some of our dev team were investors in Qora.

Also, if I were you, I wouldn't use that N2 launch as an example against us. He is doing a 75% investor / 25% developer breakdown the same as we are. He also states that if all 1.5 billion (or is it 2 billion, he says both at different points right next to each other), he says that 1 billion will be distributed at 75% / 25% and then the other 500,000,000 coins will go 45% investors / 55% developer. How is it that you are promoting that but saying we are greedy scammers? 55% of 500 million coins to the developer?

Listen, you are starting to get out of hand and I have tried to be polite. But if you continue to be inflammatory and directly attack me for no other reason than you are apparently board, I am going to have to stop responding to you.
N2 is distributed in a quite fair way.
The price is low (0.025-0.05btc for each 0.5%),
and when the deadline met, the unsold coins are distributed proportionally to all the stakeholders.
full member
Activity: 189
Merit: 100
@GreXX:

you started personal attacking. don't pretending. Starting with some people call you greedy, but you picked up on me for unknown reason and attacked me on last three pages.

If you think you already nice enough to me, read your post again. you will see what a jerk you are.

i don't know your job in dev team. but you are really make  this project looks bad.

you are right, you should be quiet, and stop personal attacking.

sr. member
Activity: 257
Merit: 250

I am a little bit worried because there is no cap on invested money.

I am pretty happy to invest 1 BTC if the cap would be 100 BTC.
But without a cap and figures thrown around like 500 BTC, the situation looks different.

So I didn´t come to a final decision.

As I mentioned before, the cap is irrelevant for the most part. Yes, you will get a smaller amount strictly speaking in numbers terms, but the valuation of each coin will be higher due to the larger amount raised in the initial distribution which typically sets initial valuation.



That can´t be right.
In a couple of months nobody cares about how much was raised. Then only technology, community and adoption counts.
But it will be a big difference if I own 1% or 0.2%. That´s simple 5 times more.

But that´s not the whole point. I don´t like it to not know how much percent I will get. So it´s investing in the dark.

If we set a 1 BTC limit per person and a 250 BTC cap with a ratio of X Crypti to Y BTC, there are a finite amount of spaces in the pre-sale launch to get in on the ground floor of Crypti. We want as many people as desire to do so to be able to be a part of this launch. We decided it would be best to let the market dictate how the pre-sale would unfold.



If you set a invest limit of 1 btc per person, why set another limit 250 BTC of fund raise. it could me 10BTC or 100BTC which depend on how much people interested.

you just pretending that not understand. You just want investors compete with each other and only you will be the winner.  
Its ok if thats your plan,  but please admit it. don't pretending plz
your pretending make feel bad for this project.


BTW, there was another person called kora, he is a marketing person but not that strong on IT side.He is collecting 3000 active members on BTT, and hope new developers could work with him to carry out a fair project.  maybe you should have a look.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-ora-nxt-monetary-system-currency-620518

Did you read the initial question that was posed? If so, you would have seen that the person bringing up the issue wanted to know the exact amount of Crypti he would get for his investment. The only way to do that would be to make a limit on investment amount AND total amount so that it could be divided up in order for each investor to know exactly how much they would get for the investment they were going to make. In essence, you would have to say that 1 BTC would get you 250,000 Crypti for instance, and then you would also have to say that because of this, and the fact that the max distribution is 75,000,000, we could sell 300 shares in the launch. 300 x 250,000 = 75,000,000. In order for someone to know exactly what they are going to get, this has to be the method used. That or you have to be willing to adjust the total amount being created in the genesis block based on how many units are sold, which then their stake fluctuates anyways because they might buy 2 shares, so 500,000, but then if we end up selling 500, their 500,000 is now much less of the total.

I don't want to discourage anyone from posting but please ensure you understand the conversation at hand and do your research prior to posting LordHavok. Also, please try to avoid being overly inflammatory for no reason at all.

If you are one of the DEv team, due to your simple minded, this project will be a joke.  i forgive you due to your less of knowledge. please check how N2 distributed.  

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/annn2ipo100-posnxt-clonenew-featuresfull-version-available-606233

can't believe you guys are not pretending to be simple minded. you guys axx  !!!!

Please keep the Qora promotion to the Qora thread and please keep the personal attacks (LordHavok) to yourself. I will not retaliate and start a flame war with you and I'm sure Qora is great. I think some of our dev team were investors in Qora.

Also, if I were you, I wouldn't use that N2 launch as an example against us. He is doing a 75% investor / 25% developer breakdown the same as we are. He also states that if all 1.5 billion (or is it 2 billion, he says both at different points right next to each other), he says that 1 billion will be distributed at 75% / 25% and then the other 500,000,000 coins will go 45% investors / 55% developer. How is it that you are promoting that but saying we are greedy scammers? 55% of 500 million coins to the developer?

Listen, you are starting to get out of hand and I have tried to be polite. But if you continue to be inflammatory and directly attack me for no other reason than you are apparently board, I am going to have to stop responding to you.
you are a greedy team member and That is rather shabby.

sr. member
Activity: 322
Merit: 250
How many Crypti coins will be during the IPO?
legendary
Activity: 1148
Merit: 1000
hero member
Activity: 518
Merit: 500

I am a little bit worried because there is no cap on invested money.

I am pretty happy to invest 1 BTC if the cap would be 100 BTC.
But without a cap and figures thrown around like 500 BTC, the situation looks different.

So I didn´t come to a final decision.

As I mentioned before, the cap is irrelevant for the most part. Yes, you will get a smaller amount strictly speaking in numbers terms, but the valuation of each coin will be higher due to the larger amount raised in the initial distribution which typically sets initial valuation.



That can´t be right.
In a couple of months nobody cares about how much was raised. Then only technology, community and adoption counts.
But it will be a big difference if I own 1% or 0.2%. That´s simple 5 times more.

But that´s not the whole point. I don´t like it to not know how much percent I will get. So it´s investing in the dark.

If we set a 1 BTC limit per person and a 250 BTC cap with a ratio of X Crypti to Y BTC, there are a finite amount of spaces in the pre-sale launch to get in on the ground floor of Crypti. We want as many people as desire to do so to be able to be a part of this launch. We decided it would be best to let the market dictate how the pre-sale would unfold.



If you set a invest limit of 1 btc per person, why set another limit 250 BTC of fund raise. it could me 10BTC or 100BTC which depend on how much people interested.

you just pretending that not understand. You just want investors compete with each other and only you will be the winner.  
Its ok if thats your plan,  but please admit it. don't pretending plz
your pretending make feel bad for this project.


BTW, there was another person called kora, he is a marketing person but not that strong on IT side.He is collecting 3000 active members on BTT, and hope new developers could work with him to carry out a fair project.  maybe you should have a look.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-ora-nxt-monetary-system-currency-620518

Did you read the initial question that was posed? If so, you would have seen that the person bringing up the issue wanted to know the exact amount of Crypti he would get for his investment. The only way to do that would be to make a limit on investment amount AND total amount so that it could be divided up in order for each investor to know exactly how much they would get for the investment they were going to make. In essence, you would have to say that 1 BTC would get you 250,000 Crypti for instance, and then you would also have to say that because of this, and the fact that the max distribution is 75,000,000, we could sell 300 shares in the launch. 300 x 250,000 = 75,000,000. In order for someone to know exactly what they are going to get, this has to be the method used. That or you have to be willing to adjust the total amount being created in the genesis block based on how many units are sold, which then their stake fluctuates anyways because they might buy 2 shares, so 500,000, but then if we end up selling 500, their 500,000 is now much less of the total.

I don't want to discourage anyone from posting but please ensure you understand the conversation at hand and do your research prior to posting LordHavok. Also, please try to avoid being overly inflammatory for no reason at all.

If you are one of the DEv team, due to your simple minded, this project will be a joke.  i forgive you due to your less of knowledge. please check how N2 distributed.  

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/annn2ipo100-posnxt-clonenew-featuresfull-version-available-606233

can't believe you guys are not pretending to be simple minded. you guys axx  !!!!

Please keep the Qora promotion to the Qora thread and please keep the personal attacks (LordHavok) to yourself. I will not retaliate and start a flame war with you and I'm sure Qora is great. I think some of our dev team were investors in Qora.

Also, if I were you, I wouldn't use that N2 launch as an example against us. He is doing a 75% investor / 25% developer breakdown the same as we are. He also states that if all 1.5 billion (or is it 2 billion, he says both at different points right next to each other), he says that 1 billion will be distributed at 75% / 25% and then the other 500,000,000 coins will go 45% investors / 55% developer. How is it that you are promoting that but saying we are greedy scammers? 55% of 500 million coins to the developer?

Listen, you are starting to get out of hand and I have tried to be polite. But if you continue to be inflammatory and directly attack me for no other reason than you are apparently board, I am going to have to stop responding to you.
sr. member
Activity: 308
Merit: 250
  i read all post . i understand something , some of them is right, others is bullshit.

  some people and the member of dev said "if you dont like this coin and cannot bear the risk, you should leave away". what a stupid knowledge. any investment has the risk.

  dev team want more money, but we want decrease the risk. Its no doubt that the more BTC they receive , the more risk the investor will have.  We should have a balance point .

  So far, I just see the dev want more money, but dont see they concern  little about the investor and community and the distribution.

  BTW, lets wait the beta client and see what wonderful it is.

  
full member
Activity: 125
Merit: 100
Qora dev is not interested about money

Russian team like money too much



Qora know he will make more money after launch because he won't disappear.

Crypti want money so much before launch. why.  rdy for disappear after launch?
that's right,it's danger for investor
I don't think it's dangerous if the future development is attractive.
@DEV, is there a plan to do more development to implement more features as NXT, e.g.

- Distributed Storage
- Multi-signatures
- Blockchain Shrinking
- Two-phase Payments
     Software supported escrow transactions
- Social Credit System
     Accounts can trust other accounts for assets issued on the asset exchange with on-the-fly debt transference.
- Distributed Computing
- Smart Contracts
- Hardware Wallets - Java smart card developers please contact core dev team members
- Advanced DDoS Protection: Project Kharon - Neural net programmers please contact core dev team members - Development Thread
sr. member
Activity: 257
Merit: 250
Qora dev is not interested about money

Russian team like money too much



Qora know he will make more money after launch because he won't disappear.

Crypti want money so much before launch. why.  rdy for disappear after launch?
that's right,it's danger for investor
legendary
Activity: 1400
Merit: 1000
sr. member
Activity: 260
Merit: 250
Qora dev is not interested about money

Russian team like money too much



Qora know he will make more money after launch because he won't disappear.

Crypti want money so much before launch. why.  rdy for disappear after launch?

Not necessarily
Probably shark dev team
full member
Activity: 189
Merit: 100
Qora dev is not interested about money

Russian team like money too much



Qora know he will make more money after launch because he won't disappear.

Crypti want money so much before launch. why.  rdy for disappear after launch?
sr. member
Activity: 260
Merit: 250
Qora dev is not interested about money

Russian team like money too much

legendary
Activity: 1680
Merit: 1001
CEO Bitpanda.com
Just fix the rate per BTC and don't limit investments. What is the problem?

(Like 50000 Crypti per BTC) 

Or is the "money supply" chosen before the IPO starts?

We had set initial distribution to 100 million in circulation. Because of this, we decided to go with an open investment phase. But you are right, if we did not have a set genesis block, we would have probably gone with a fixed rate that varied each week (to allow early investor bonuses). We have proposals for both types from the start and decided to go the other route.

Yes with a fixed number of coins in circulation there is no way to tell him how many coins he will get. Maybe he didn't understand that the supply was fixed.

Will there be a guide on how to invest with an escrow?

How is your investment in N2 and Qora?  TwinWinNerD

This is not the topic of this discussion, you can PM me.

(But to answer your question: I made good money of both Wink )
full member
Activity: 189
Merit: 100
Just fix the rate per BTC and don't limit investments. What is the problem?

(Like 50000 Crypti per BTC)  

Or is the "money supply" chosen before the IPO starts?

We had set initial distribution to 100 million in circulation. Because of this, we decided to go with an open investment phase. But you are right, if we did not have a set genesis block, we would have probably gone with a fixed rate that varied each week (to allow early investor bonuses). We have proposals for both types from the start and decided to go the other route.

Yes with a fixed number of coins in circulation there is no way to tell him how many coins he will get. Maybe he didn't understand that the supply was fixed.

Will there be a guide on how to invest with an escrow?

How is your investment in N2 and Qora?  TwinWinNerD
hero member
Activity: 756
Merit: 502
Will there be a guide on how to invest with an escrow?

Yes, we are reviewing the draft with maxmint now.
legendary
Activity: 1736
Merit: 1001

Quote

 We decided it would be best to let the market dictate how the pre-sale would unfold.

Translation:

We want to use whatever method gets us the most BTC upfront, becuz after the launch, the expen$e$ start and there is little income for us then


Agree,  


GreXX, admit you want most of the money raised before launch,   it's OK , totally legal.

but your pretending make me feel throw up.

very poor marketing already.

dev team count on money raised from IPO, instead of marketing cap grow after IPO from continuing development support and community build.
This is a  RED sign for this project.  very risky investment!!!
 

BTW, there was another person called kora, he is a marketing person but not that strong on IT side.He is collecting 3000 active members on BTT, and hope any developers could work with him to carry out a fair project with strong active community.   maybe you should have a look and learn what  marketing is      https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=620518.0

You could say all you said without promoting Kora, a Qora clone. Qora is and will be better than Kora. This is marketing  Tongue

I am gonna invest in this too and hope for the best

Off course Qora will be much better than Kora, i am one of the initial investor of Qora. and i own much more Qora than you. probably.    

Kora is  a copy of Qora, the only thing Kora do better is marketing.




Well, Kora is, but his description actually Qora. So, it is actually the SAME thing. I'm not sure how one can be better than the other. Wink
Jump to: