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I am a little bit worried because there is no cap on invested money.

I am pretty happy to invest 1 BTC if the cap would be 100 BTC.
But without a cap and figures thrown around like 500 BTC, the situation looks different.

So I didn´t come to a final decision.

As I mentioned before, the cap is irrelevant for the most part. Yes, you will get a smaller amount strictly speaking in numbers terms, but the valuation of each coin will be higher due to the larger amount raised in the initial distribution which typically sets initial valuation.



That can´t be right.
In a couple of months nobody cares about how much was raised. Then only technology, community and adoption counts.
But it will be a big difference if I own 1% or 0.2%. That´s simple 5 times more.

But that´s not the whole point. I don´t like it to not know how much percent I will get. So it´s investing in the dark.

If we set a 1 BTC limit per person and a 250 BTC cap with a ratio of X Crypti to Y BTC, there are a finite amount of spaces in the pre-sale launch to get in on the ground floor of Crypti. We want as many people as desire to do so to be able to be a part of this launch. We decided it would be best to let the market dictate how the pre-sale would unfold.



If you set a invest limit of 1 btc per person, why set another limit 250 BTC of fund raise. it could me 10BTC or 100BTC which depend on how much people interested.

you just pretending that not understand. You just want investors compete with each other and only you will be the winner.  
Its ok if thats your plan,  but please admit it. don't pretending plz
your pretending make feel bad for this project.


BTW, there was another person called kora, he is a marketing person but not that strong on IT side.He is collecting 3000 active members on BTT, and hope new developers could work with him to carry out a fair project.  maybe you should have a look.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-ora-nxt-monetary-system-currency-620518

Did you read the initial question that was posed? If so, you would have seen that the person bringing up the issue wanted to know the exact amount of Crypti he would get for his investment. The only way to do that would be to make a limit on investment amount AND total amount so that it could be divided up in order for each investor to know exactly how much they would get for the investment they were going to make. In essence, you would have to say that 1 BTC would get you 250,000 Crypti for instance, and then you would also have to say that because of this, and the fact that the max distribution is 75,000,000, we could sell 300 shares in the launch. 300 x 250,000 = 75,000,000. In order for someone to know exactly what they are going to get, this has to be the method used. That or you have to be willing to adjust the total amount being created in the genesis block based on how many units are sold, which then their stake fluctuates anyways because they might buy 2 shares, so 500,000, but then if we end up selling 500, their 500,000 is now much less of the total.

I don't want to discourage anyone from posting but please ensure you understand the conversation at hand and do your research prior to posting LordHavok. Also, please try to avoid being overly inflammatory for no reason at all.

If you are one of the DEv team, due to your simple minded, this project will be a joke.  i forgive you due to your less of knowledge. please check how N2 distributed.  

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/annn2ipo100-posnxt-clonenew-featuresfull-version-available-606233

can't believe you guys are not pretending to be simple minded. you guys axx  !!!!
legendary
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Just fix the rate per BTC and don't limit investments. What is the problem?

(Like 50000 Crypti per BTC) 

Or is the "money supply" chosen before the IPO starts?

We had set initial distribution to 100 million in circulation. Because of this, we decided to go with an open investment phase. But you are right, if we did not have a set genesis block, we would have probably gone with a fixed rate that varied each week (to allow early investor bonuses). We have proposals for both types from the start and decided to go the other route.

Yes with a fixed number of coins in circulation there is no way to tell him how many coins he will get. Maybe he didn't understand that the supply was fixed.

Will there be a guide on how to invest with an escrow?
hero member
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Just fix the rate per BTC and don't limit investments. What is the problem?

(Like 50000 Crypti per BTC) 

Or is the "money supply" chosen before the IPO starts?

We had set initial distribution to 100 million in circulation. Because of this, we decided to go with an open investment phase. But you are right, if we did not have a set genesis block, we would have probably gone with a fixed rate that varied each week (to allow early investor bonuses). We have proposals for both types from the start and decided to go the other route.
legendary
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Just fix the rate per BTC and don't limit investments. What is the problem?

(Like 50000 Crypti per BTC) 

Or is the "money supply" chosen before the IPO starts?
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Quote

 We decided it would be best to let the market dictate how the pre-sale would unfold.

Translation:

We want to use whatever method gets us the most BTC upfront, becuz after the launch, the expen$e$ start and there is little income for us then


Agree,  


GreXX, admit you want most of the money raised before launch,   it's OK , totally legal.

but your pretending make me feel throw up.

very poor marketing already.

dev team count on money raised from IPO, instead of marketing cap grow after IPO from continuing development support and community build.
This is a  RED sign for this project.  very risky investment!!!
 

BTW, there was another person called kora, he is a marketing person but not that strong on IT side.He is collecting 3000 active members on BTT, and hope any developers could work with him to carry out a fair project with strong active community.   maybe you should have a look and learn what  marketing is      https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=620518.0

You could say all you said without promoting Kora, a Qora clone. Qora is and will be better than Kora. This is marketing  Tongue

I am gonna invest in this too and hope for the best

Off course Qora will be much better than Kora, i am one of the initial investor of Qora. and i own much more Qora than you. probably.    

Kora is  a copy of Qora, the only thing Kora do better is marketing.


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I am a little bit worried because there is no cap on invested money.

I am pretty happy to invest 1 BTC if the cap would be 100 BTC.
But without a cap and figures thrown around like 500 BTC, the situation looks different.

So I didn´t come to a final decision.

As I mentioned before, the cap is irrelevant for the most part. Yes, you will get a smaller amount strictly speaking in numbers terms, but the valuation of each coin will be higher due to the larger amount raised in the initial distribution which typically sets initial valuation.



That can´t be right.
In a couple of months nobody cares about how much was raised. Then only technology, community and adoption counts.
But it will be a big difference if I own 1% or 0.2%. That´s simple 5 times more.

But that´s not the whole point. I don´t like it to not know how much percent I will get. So it´s investing in the dark.

If we set a 1 BTC limit per person and a 250 BTC cap with a ratio of X Crypti to Y BTC, there are a finite amount of spaces in the pre-sale launch to get in on the ground floor of Crypti. We want as many people as desire to do so to be able to be a part of this launch. We decided it would be best to let the market dictate how the pre-sale would unfold.



If you set a invest limit of 1 btc per person, why set another limit 250 BTC of fund raise. it could me 10BTC or 100BTC which depend on how much people interested.

you just pretending that not understand. You just want investors compete with each other and only you will be the winner.  
Its ok if thats your plan,  but please admit it. don't pretending plz
your pretending make feel bad for this project.


BTW, there was another person called kora, he is a marketing person but not that strong on IT side.He is collecting 3000 active members on BTT, and hope new developers could work with him to carry out a fair project.  maybe you should have a look.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-ora-nxt-monetary-system-currency-620518

Did you read the initial question that was posed? If so, you would have seen that the person bringing up the issue wanted to know the exact amount of Crypti he would get for his investment. The only way to do that would be to make a limit on investment amount AND total amount so that it could be divided up in order for each investor to know exactly how much they would get for the investment they were going to make. In essence, you would have to say that 1 BTC would get you 250,000 Crypti for instance, and then you would also have to say that because of this, and the fact that the max distribution is 75,000,000, we could sell 300 shares in the launch. 300 x 250,000 = 75,000,000. In order for someone to know exactly what they are going to get, this has to be the method used. That or you have to be willing to adjust the total amount being created in the genesis block based on how many units are sold, which then their stake fluctuates anyways because they might buy 2 shares, so 500,000, but then if we end up selling 500, their 500,000 is now much less of the total.

I don't want to discourage anyone from posting but please ensure you understand the conversation at hand and do your research prior to posting LordHavok. Also, please try to avoid being overly inflammatory for no reason at all.
legendary
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Reality is stranger than fiction

Quote

 We decided it would be best to let the market dictate how the pre-sale would unfold.

Translation:

We want to use whatever method gets us the most BTC upfront, becuz after the launch, the expen$e$ start and there is little income for us then


Agree,  


GreXX, admit you want most of the money raised before launch,   it's OK , totally legal.

but your pretending make me feel throw up.

very poor marketing already.

dev team count on money raised from IPO, instead of marketing cap grow after IPO from continuing development support and community build.
This is a  RED sign for this project.  very risky investment!!!
 

BTW, there was another person called kora, he is a marketing person but not that strong on IT side.He is collecting 3000 active members on BTT, and hope any developers could work with him to carry out a fair project with strong active community.   maybe you should have a look and learn what  marketing is      https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=620518.0

You could say all you said without promoting Kora, a Qora clone. Qora is and will be better than Kora. This is marketing  Tongue

I am gonna invest in this too and hope for the best
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Activity: 189
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Quote

 We decided it would be best to let the market dictate how the pre-sale would unfold.

Translation:

We want to use whatever method gets us the most BTC upfront, becuz after the launch, the expen$e$ start and there is little income for us then


Agree,  


GreXX, admit you want most of the money raised before launch,   it's OK , totally legal.

but your pretending make me feel throw up.

very poor marketing already.

dev team count on money raised from IPO, instead of marketing cap grow after IPO from continuing development support and community build.
This is a  RED sign for this project.  very risky investment!!!
 

BTW, there was another person called kora, he is a marketing person but not that strong on IT side.He is collecting 3000 active members on BTT, and hope any developers could work with him to carry out a fair project with strong active community.   maybe you should have a look and learn what  marketing is      https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=620518.0
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Quote

 We decided it would be best to let the market dictate how the pre-sale would unfold.

Translation:

We want to use whatever method gets us the most BTC upfront, becuz after the launch, the expen$e$ start and there is little income for us then
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When will the detail of IPO rules be released?
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I am a little bit worried because there is no cap on invested money.

I am pretty happy to invest 1 BTC if the cap would be 100 BTC.
But without a cap and figures thrown around like 500 BTC, the situation looks different.

So I didn´t come to a final decision.

As I mentioned before, the cap is irrelevant for the most part. Yes, you will get a smaller amount strictly speaking in numbers terms, but the valuation of each coin will be higher due to the larger amount raised in the initial distribution which typically sets initial valuation.



That can´t be right.
In a couple of months nobody cares about how much was raised. Then only technology, community and adoption counts.
But it will be a big difference if I own 1% or 0.2%. That´s simple 5 times more.

But that´s not the whole point. I don´t like it to not know how much percent I will get. So it´s investing in the dark.

If we set a 1 BTC limit per person and a 250 BTC cap with a ratio of X Crypti to Y BTC, there are a finite amount of spaces in the pre-sale launch to get in on the ground floor of Crypti. We want as many people as desire to do so to be able to be a part of this launch. We decided it would be best to let the market dictate how the pre-sale would unfold.



If you set a invest limit of 1 btc per person, why set another limit 250 BTC of fund raise. it could me 10BTC or 100BTC which depend on how much people interested.

you just pretending that not understand. You just want investors compete with each other and only you will be the winner.  
Its ok if thats your plan,  but please admit it. don't pretending plz
your pretending make feel bad for this project.


BTW, there was another person called kora, he is a marketing person but not that strong on IT side.He is collecting 3000 active members on BTT, and hope new developers could work with him to carry out a fair project.  maybe you should have a look.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-ora-nxt-monetary-system-currency-620518
hero member
Activity: 518
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I am a little bit worried because there is no cap on invested money.

I am pretty happy to invest 1 BTC if the cap would be 100 BTC.
But without a cap and figures thrown around like 500 BTC, the situation looks different.

So I didn´t come to a final decision.

As I mentioned before, the cap is irrelevant for the most part. Yes, you will get a smaller amount strictly speaking in numbers terms, but the valuation of each coin will be higher due to the larger amount raised in the initial distribution which typically sets initial valuation.



That can´t be right.
In a couple of months nobody cares about how much was raised. Then only technology, community and adoption counts.
But it will be a big difference if I own 1% or 0.2%. That´s simple 5 times more.

But that´s not the whole point. I don´t like it to not know how much percent I will get. So it´s investing in the dark.

Well with any commodity, having more, at any given value point will be worth more at that point. You are 100% correct there. However, initial valuation does matter for long term growth and determining what tier of coin you get lumped in with. If we raise 10 BTC and the coin hits the exchanges at 0.0000001BTC, then despite it's merits it will still be considered a dud useless coin no matter what any of us do. A strong initial valuation and funding round shows others that there is strong interest, that the coin isn't going away anytime soon, and encourages them to get in post-launch.

Irrespective of any of that, the only way to guarantee a % to an investor would be to limit the number of people allowed to invest in Crypti and set limits on investment amounts. We investigated this route and internally discussed several methods in which we would give X Crypti for Y investment up to 250 BTC. That is something we decided we did not support. If we set a 1 BTC limit per person and a 250 BTC cap with a ratio of X Crypti to Y BTC, there are a finite amount of spaces in the pre-sale launch to get in on the ground floor of Crypti. We want as many people as desire to do so to be able to be a part of this launch. We decided it would be best to let the market dictate how the pre-sale would unfold.
hero member
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That can´t be right.
In a couple of months nobody cares about how much was raised. Then only technology, community and adoption counts.
But it will be a big difference if I own 1% or 0.2%. That´s simple 5 times more.

But that´s not the whole point. I don´t like it to not know how much percent I will get. So it´s investing in the dark.

As said earlier, there will be a public ledger explorer, allowing everyone to see the estimation of how many Crypti they will receive.
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Never back down !!!

I am a little bit worried because there is no cap on invested money.

I am pretty happy to invest 1 BTC if the cap would be 100 BTC.
But without a cap and figures thrown around like 500 BTC, the situation looks different.

So I didn´t come to a final decision.

As I mentioned before, the cap is irrelevant for the most part. Yes, you will get a smaller amount strictly speaking in numbers terms, but the valuation of each coin will be higher due to the larger amount raised in the initial distribution which typically sets initial valuation.



That can´t be right.
In a couple of months nobody cares about how much was raised. Then only technology, community and adoption counts.
But it will be a big difference if I own 1% or 0.2%. That´s simple 5 times more.

But that´s not the whole point. I don´t like it to not know how much percent I will get. So it´s investing in the dark.
legendary
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not worth 500 btc! not even 10 btc actually!
hero member
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                                                         Now where is the escrow address?
hero member
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NEM already reach 10000 btc cap level even before official launch. ( sell token on AE, Each token worth 2.5 btc)
Qora has only 4000 btc cap, and has much less buy order support.
If CRypti is a long term project, you should consider distribution structure before too late.
There is noway to do a pure perfect distribution. what we can do is to make it fair at a reasonable level.
 Do not fail to do good even if it's small; do not engage in evil even if it's small.

I don't think NEM's high market cap has much to do with its distribution. It has much more to do with its being started from Nxt community and its asset issued on Nxt AE. Nxt community is the place you can find 1) the most 2 gen crypto fans and 2) lots of money available for investment for 2 gen.

There is no a better place to promote a 2 gen crypto than Nxt community and AE. NEM was benefited by being started from and promoted in the Nxt community and AE.
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How to use Escrow, is there any detail now?
hero member
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What were the parameters of the NXT launch? Was there a BTC limit on the launch? Was there a per investor limit on the launch? Or was it open ended?

One parameter I know that BCNext set for Nxt IPO was that the upper limit for each investor was 1 BTC.

BTC limit is the difference between NEM and Qora.    

NEM went to the moon. And Qora still don't have much trading volume.

Which went which route?

For me, limiting the amount of BTC per investor simply encourages gaming the system. Those who obey the rules are penalized by the 1 BTC cap, but those who choose otherwise will simply open up multiple wallets and send funds from several accounts to increase their stake. As I mentioned before, the only way to stop this practice is real world identity validation but I doubt most people on here want to send us drivers license or social security numbers!  Wink

We had quite a few discussions as I previously mentioned about how best to do this and we decided on leaving it open ended. That is something we voted on, came to a decision, and feel comfortable with.



I am not trying to fix anything, since i doubt you will listen voice from us.


PLZ remember : Do not fail to do good even if it's small; do not engage in evil even if it's small.
Your logic is like, since i can't be a perfect person, why should i bother to be a good person.


I think we are showing by our actions that we do listen and we want ideas and opinions from the community. It is of utmost importance to us.

If anyone has any ideas, please, bring them forward.

As per your quote at the bottom, i'm not sure I understand what you are referring to or how to respond to that.

U never heard of NEM and Qora?

NEM and qora both are 2nd generation coin with own renovation, the difference is that  NEM have fair distribution but Qora doesn't.  

NEM has 4000 users each own one share. There is still some sock puppets accounts,but it is in reasonable level.
Qora has no BTC limit at all. Several investor each of them own more than 3% of total coins.

Result is
NEM already reach 10000 btc cap level even before official launch. ( sell token on AE, Each token worth 2.5 btc)
Qora has only 4000 btc cap, and has much less buy order support.

If CRypti is a long term project, you should consider distribution structure before too late.

There is noway to do a pure perfect distribution. what we can do is to make it fair at a reasonable level.

 Do not fail to do good even if it's small; do not engage in evil even if it's small.

You can't claim initial distribution as the sole cause or even gauge it's impact on these valuations or levels of volume based on the number of possible factors that have to be taken into consideration. The two coins are not identical in purpose, features, distribution model, how the IPO was conducted, who provided escrow, or countless other ways. To isolate one particular difference and attribute 100% of the different in volume to that specific event isn't sound. Many factors would have to be considered and analyzed. It could come down to aesthetics of the launch materials, whether or not they took funds in NXT, etc.
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