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Topic: [XC][XCurrency] Decentralised Trustless Privacy Platform / Encrypted XChat / Pos - page 256. (Read 1484189 times)

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“When your smartphone cannot connect to a cellular tower or Wi-Fi it chooses Bluetooth,” said Benoliel, a 42-year-old France native. Users can join and send messages to discussion groups, dubbed FireChats.

This is cool. Could we incorporate this?

I was literally just trying to post a comment about this when you beat me to it. Since XC has a mesh networking expert it would be great to have something this in the mobile app.
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Ok, there's layer 1: the Xnode protocol
- nodes communicate with one another using an end-to-end encrypted protocol, so that anyone who intercepts their messages can't decipher them.
- nodes communicate directly; they don't use any trusted third parties or central servers. Therefore there's no one point of failure or attack.

Layer 2: an ad hoc meshnet
- when you make a private payment, the first thing that happens is that your app sets up a network with a bunch of other nodes that are making payments at the same time as you.
- this network exists only for the duration of the transaction, and thus has no permanent infrastructure that can be attacked.
- since this network is a mesh, it does not encounter problems if nodes drop out of the network during the transaction. Thus it's robust against DOS attacks (i.e when a node refuses to sign, which breaks other technologies, like CoinJoin).

Layer 3: trustless mixing
- when you make a private payment, a transaction is built up between all the nodes in a meshnet.
- they pass the transaction around in a very clever way (analogous to Coinshuffle) in order to send coins to their intended destinations on behalf of other nodes.
- once the transaction is ready, each node checks that its own coins are going to the right destination, and if all is in order, the node signs the transaction.
- the signing is done in a very clever way so that no node knows which other node's coins they're forwarding.
- the coins are forwarded to their destination from a different address to the one that a forwarding node receives them on, so that there's no link on the blockchain between sender and receiver.
- if there's a problem then a node will refuse to sign. This makes the whole transaction unable to be processed, and thus no node can steal the coins that it's forwarding on behalf of another node.
- when this occurs, the nodes are able to reverse the passing-around procedure and discover which node caused the trouble. This node gets kicked off the mesh, and the transaction proceeds as per usual.

Layer 4: multipath
- when you make a private payment, the coins aren't sent in one go, but in fragments, making it impossible for anyone to tell how much you actually sent.

The ways in which all this is private:
- multipath conceals the amount you send or receive.
- mixing conceals the sender and the receiver.
- the trustless nature of the mixing ensures that nodes can't steal coins and that they can't know whose coins they're forwarding.
- the Xnode protocol ensures that nobody can decipher any of these messages in the first place.
- in addition, using the XC TOR Stick conceals your IP address.
- and, finally, when we add stealth addresses to XC, then when someone pays you, not even they will discover the address you receive the payment on, and so you don't have to trust them to keep private the address that your coins are on.

Basically, there's nothing else to make private after all this. The entire thing is concealed; none of your personal information is given away. So it's 100% privacy.

Awesome explanation, thanks!
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“When your smartphone cannot connect to a cellular tower or Wi-Fi it chooses Bluetooth,” said Benoliel, a 42-year-old France native. Users can join and send messages to discussion groups, dubbed FireChats.

This is cool. Could we incorporate this?
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http://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/2gjkje/we_are_forking_ethereum_ibm/

You guys should get out more ... like really.

echo chambers are dangerous

Thanks!

I love to burp in echo chambers!
That is great news because that's exactly what I was hoping for (and hence didn't buy Ethereum fuel). Yeee how!!!!
I knew about telehash and IBM/Samsung cooperation, but even news mags that published the Samsung hook up news didn't mention this.

EDIT: Now I know why: it's not really true - the fork is just to do a demo at an event. They didn't say they plan to maintain or develop that fork.
http://forum.ethereum.org/discussion/comment/6354/#Comment_6354
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Okay so I'm on v0.9.2.49.06.XCurrency-REV2 running xminer.
My question is about the seemingly random way xminer works.

1. Now my weight is 7504, but every time I turn it on it's different (although the amount in the wallet is the same).  What are factors that impact that?

2. Time to earn reward also gyrates wildly. Sometime it's 17 hours, then 20, now 21. Why?

3. It seems (from 2, above) that xminer isn't useful (i.e. is useless) if you need - and I do - to show down your PC once or twice a day. Is this true?
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Well, it'll be that we begin development of the Web 3.0 tech.

meanwhile ethereum is getting forked by ibm and building their own coding language on the blockchain.  luv how u guys are basically imitating them  Roll Eyes  (except you plan on charging for decentralized services and making a company out of it lol ... whereas theres is opensource for all to develop)


Who said where what?

Link please.



http://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/2gjkje/we_are_forking_ethereum_ibm/

You guys should get out more ... like really.

echo chambers are dangerous
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Well, it'll be that we begin development of the Web 3.0 tech.

meanwhile ethereum is getting forked by ibm and building their own coding language on the blockchain.  luv how u guys are basically imitating them  Roll Eyes  (except you plan on charging for decentralized services and making a company out of it lol ... whereas theres is opensource for all to develop)


Who said where what?

Link please.

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Just ran into an interesting resistance to crypto currency in general. "Virtual money will not be able to be traded in the event of a EMP. Hard silver however will have value to owners." My thought is in the event of an EMP that massive nothing but food guns and water would be of value? Is there a way to EMP proof XC?

You mean XC isn't backed by goats?   Grin

Ha ha.

No cryptocurrencies can operate entirely manually if it comes down to it.

(Not that it would be convenient.)

For example:
http://www.righto.com/2014/09/mining-bitcoin-with-pencil-and-paper.html

maybe u should create a technologyfree pencil and paper set that comes with the torstick.   so post apocolypse everybody can be trading (feel sorry for whoever keeps up the blockchain lolz)

"xc - future proof no matter what.  get ur pencil and paper set today FREE with the order of 5 torsticks.  futureproof no matter what it brings"
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To commodify ethicality is to ethicise the market
Just ran into an interesting resistance to crypto currency in general. "Virtual money will not be able to be traded in the event of a EMP. Hard silver however will have value to owners." My thought is in the event of an EMP that massive nothing but food guns and water would be of value? Is there a way to EMP proof XC?

You mean XC isn't backed by goats?   Grin

Ha ha.

No cryptocurrencies can operate entirely manually if it comes down to it.

(Not that it would be convenient.)

For example:
http://www.righto.com/2014/09/mining-bitcoin-with-pencil-and-paper.html
legendary
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Just ran into an interesting resistance to crypto currency in general. "Virtual money will not be able to be traded in the event of a EMP. Hard silver however will have value to owners." My thought is in the event of an EMP that massive nothing but food guns and water would be of value? Is there a way to EMP proof XC?

You mean XC isn't backed by goats?   Grin
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Just ran into an interesting resistance to crypto currency in general. "Virtual money will not be able to be traded in the event of a EMP. Hard silver however will have value to owners." My thought is in the event of an EMP that massive nothing but food guns and water would be of value? Is there a way to EMP proof XC?

rofl haaaaaaaahaaaaaa - going to quote this.
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In Crypto We Verify
Just ran into an interesting resistance to crypto currency in general. "Virtual money will not be able to be traded in the event of a EMP. Hard silver however will have value to owners." My thought is in the event of an EMP that massive nothing but food guns and water would be of value? Is there a way to EMP proof XC?
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any news about rev2.5? this thread is really quiet last days

You ask this all the time and no one ever answers you, so why keep asking? We have a topnotch PR team. When there is news ready to release regarding Rev 2.5 you'll hear about it here. Repeatedly asking about news will not cause news to manifest.

You may also just refer to the timeline on the OP instead of asking questions, because the information there would lead you to assume that before Rev 2.5 comes, we'll be implementing our Web 3.0 distributed content server. ;-)



Wow, that is very impressive.

I'm really  looking forward to XC's upcoming features.
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Hi all

Feel free to proliferate this tweet:

Free yourself completely from illicit data-collection: $XC + #XChat.
Download now: http://xc-official.com/xc-downloads/
#privacy



https://twitter.com/XCurrency/status/516629095934095360



I'm so lost when it comes to this lol
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To commodify ethicality is to ethicise the market
Hi all

Feel free to proliferate this tweet:

Free yourself completely from illicit data-collection: $XC + #XChat.
Download now: http://xc-official.com/xc-downloads/
#privacy



https://twitter.com/XCurrency/status/516629095934095360

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question.. can we still stake in ver 0.9.2.47 tor stick?

EDIT: Yep just received few Smiley
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Sounds like ethereum/IBM killer to me

poes law?
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sorry for my ignorance what do you mean with touring? could you clarify for everyone less technical like me how XC approach with web 3.0 differs from ethereum one?

Turing-completeness: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_completeness

It basically means having the ability to express anything at all - in this case on a blockchain.

XC's approach is, to my mind, a lot more sensible: use the blockchain, but don't put all that code on it. Rather write APIs so that people can build any app at all upon XC. After all, why bloat it and why compromise its security? Blockchain-based malware is not fun.



Sounds like ethereum/IBM killer to me
legendary
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To commodify ethicality is to ethicise the market
sorry for my ignorance what do you mean with touring? could you clarify for everyone less technical like me how XC approach with web 3.0 differs from ethereum one?

Turing Completeness = programming language, like JAVA & C++
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_completeness

Hah. Nice one Dungor. Beat me to it.
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