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legendary
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Can someone explain whether Peter Todd's concerns from the Reddit post a few days ago are valid? What is the plan as far as mixins go?

You have to first understand his concerns correctly. He said that you can decode mixes with the cooperation of the other mix members. How are you going to do that in practice? It an important concept to understanding in analyzing how mixes work, but it doesn't get you to anything like an exploit, deanonymizing, tracing, etc.

As far as our own analysis of mixing and plans for improvements you should review MRL-0001 and MRL-0004 at lab.getmonero.org.


hero member
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eidoo wallet
Can someone explain whether Peter Todd's concerns from the Reddit post a few days ago are valid? What is the plan as far as mixins go?

I saw this thread before

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/unique-ring-signatures-using-secp256k1-keys-768499

Hints there that the issue may be solvable/ed.

So if we had 1,000,000 people apart of this signature, you could never find out who voted or released/leaked info unless the other 999,999 admitted it wasn't them?

If you used the blinding scheme gmaxwell described above, all 1,000,000 could "admit" it wasn't them and nobody would be able to prove otherwise.

It's even stronger than that, isn't it? If the signer used gmaxwell's blinding scheme, than none of the 1,000,000 (including the actual signer) are capable of proving that they either did or didn't sign it (even if any of them wanted to), correct?
legendary
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(github question still unanswered...) Smiley

Let's represent the full picture  Wink .

https://github.com/monero-project/bitmonero/graphs/contributors

5 commits ..

As I said there are some missing. I don't know why.

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smooth What's your current role then ?

First of all, let's understand the role of the core team. This is not our own pet coin. We didn't create it and don't misrepresent is as such. We are the essentially the board of directors of the project, supervising the ongoing development and maintenance as a community-focused open source project. Our primary role is to set the direction for the project, decide on priorities, etc.

We do some of the coding work ourselves, but much of that is done by community contributors (you are welcome to contribute for example) and occasionally paid freelancers under our direction. We also all provide direct financial support to the project to pay for cryptographers/academics professional fees, hosting, said freelancers, etc.

Personally, in addition to the my role on the core team as described above, I do a lot of testing and debugging (not only core code but I've also helped debug some pool issues and close some exploits), design and analysis, and a huge amount of community support (answering questions, such as yours, etc.).
legendary
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(github question still unanswered...) Smiley

Let's represent the full picture  Wink .

https://github.com/monero-project/bitmonero/graphs/contributors

5 commits ..

smooth What's your current role then ?
Trolling DRK/Dash thread.

I know your kind really likes to lie and scam but you promised just one page back:

First and last post here, bye...

lol, I was sure about this.

Only stupid people don't change their mind!
hero member
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Can someone explain whether Peter Todd's concerns from the Reddit post a few days ago are valid? What is the plan as far as mixins go?
sr. member
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legendary
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(github question still unanswered...) Smiley

Let's represent the full picture  Wink .

https://github.com/monero-project/bitmonero/graphs/contributors

5 commits ..

smooth What's your current role then ?
Trolling DRK/Dash thread.
full member
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(github question still unanswered...) Smiley

Let's represent the full picture  Wink .

https://github.com/monero-project/bitmonero/graphs/contributors

5 commits ..

smooth What's your current role then ?
legendary
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I seriously doubt that he is really concerned, but if so then those papers are no good because they aren't independent.


If I was interested in some kind of attack like your puppets I would do it ..

Your puppets? Sorry I didn't follow that.

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You probably not aware but I was mined your coin during the summer of 2014 with my farm and already hold some coins ..
I'll look over the documentation to see what are you already improved.

Ok then. We're certainly interested in your feedback on the reports. If you also are looking for code improvements and work in progress as opposed to review and analysis you should also check the extended github (the monero-project master and also the various developer and contributor forks).

The year-in-review thing might be helpful, though of course that only covers 2014



Smooth, are these all your Monero commits or are there more? https://github.com/iamsmooth/bitmonero/commits/master?author=iamsmooth

There definitely more than that. Off the top of my head I can think of several checkpoint updates, implementing code to verify checkpoints at startup, and merging a bug fix from BBR. None of that is there, so that's a bit strange. I'm not sure where they all went

If you are looking for lots of code though, you won't find it, that's not my primary role on the project.
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I seriously doubt that he is really concerned, but if so then those papers are no good because they aren't independent.


If I was interested in some kind of attack like your puppets I would do it ..

Your puppets? Sorry I didn't follow that.

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You probably not aware but I was mined your coin during the summer of 2014 with my farm and already hold some coins ..
I'll look over the documentation to see what are you already improved.

Ok then. We're certainly interested in your feedback on the reports. If you also are looking for code improvements and work in progress as opposed to review and analysis you should also check the extended github (the monero-project master and also the various developer and contributor forks).

The year-in-review thing might be helpful, though of course that only covers 2014



Smooth, are these all your Monero commits or are there more? https://github.com/iamsmooth/bitmonero/commits/master?author=iamsmooth



this guy really loves you smooth: https://twitter.com/BlockaFett/status/580102058365362177

Cheesy

He's not my type.

(github question still unanswered...) Smiley
legendary
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I seriously doubt that he is really concerned, but if so then those papers are no good because they aren't independent.


If I was interested in some kind of attack like your puppets I would do it ..

Your puppets? Sorry I didn't follow that.

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You probably not aware but I was mined your coin during the summer of 2014 with my farm and already hold some coins ..
I'll look over the documentation to see what are you already improved.

Ok then. We're certainly interested in your feedback on the reports. If you also are looking for code improvements and work in progress as opposed to review and analysis you should also check the extended github (the monero-project master and also the various developer and contributor forks).

The year-in-review thing might be helpful, though of course that only covers 2014



Smooth, are these all your Monero commits or are there more? https://github.com/iamsmooth/bitmonero/commits/master?author=iamsmooth



this guy really loves you smooth: https://twitter.com/BlockaFett/status/580102058365362177

Cheesy

He's not my type.
sr. member
Activity: 392
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I seriously doubt that he is really concerned, but if so then those papers are no good because they aren't independent.


If I was interested in some kind of attack like your puppets I would do it ..

Your puppets? Sorry I didn't follow that.

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You probably not aware but I was mined your coin during the summer of 2014 with my farm and already hold some coins ..
I'll look over the documentation to see what are you already improved.

Ok then. We're certainly interested in your feedback on the reports. If you also are looking for code improvements and work in progress as opposed to review and analysis you should also check the extended github (the monero-project master and also the various developer and contributor forks).

The year-in-review thing might be helpful, though of course that only covers 2014



Smooth, are these all your Monero commits or are there more? https://github.com/iamsmooth/bitmonero/commits/master?author=iamsmooth

legendary
Activity: 2968
Merit: 1198

I seriously doubt that he is really concerned, but if so then those papers are no good because they aren't independent.


If I was interested in some kind of attack like your puppets I would do it ..

Your puppets? Sorry I didn't follow that.

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You probably not aware but I was mined your coin during the summer of 2014 with my farm and already hold some coins ..
I'll look over the documentation to see what are you already improved.

Ok then. We're certainly interested in your feedback on the reports. If you also are looking for code improvements and work in progress as opposed to review and analysis you should also check the extended github (the monero-project master and also the various developer and contributor forks).

The year-in-review thing might be helpful, though of course that only covers 2014

full member
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I seriously doubt that he is really concerned, but if so then those papers are no good because they aren't independent.


If I was interested in some kind of attack like your puppets I would do it ..
You probably not aware but I was mined your coin during the summer of 2014 with my farm and already hold some coins ..
I'll look over the documentation to see what are you already improved.
legendary
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If you're really concerned you might want to take a look at these papers:

https://lab.getmonero.org/

I seriously doubt that he is really concerned, but if so then those papers are no good because they aren't independent.

The only way for him to know that reviews are done independently is to have his own performed.

This is not entirely facetious as I know of at least one large Bitcoin investor who has done this.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ItsTheOnlyWayToBeSure

hero member
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If you're really concerned you might want to take a look at these papers:

https://lab.getmonero.org/

Oh, and here's what Peter Todd has recently said about Monero:

https://twitter.com/petertoddbtc/status/579092073875308545
legendary
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From what I saw from PeterTodd's comments about CN and ring signatures

How about instead of basing your opinion on "what you saw" (individual comments taken out of context by DRK supporters), you should read the entire context, including where he said he should buy some XMR (and never retracted that as far as I know), and also try to understand what is meant when someone with a lot of knowledge says that Monero has such-and-such an issue that is better solved by Zerocash (hint: it does not mean that Zerocash doesn't have problems of its own).

As far as the issues he pointed out with ring signatures generally, those were identified by us in MRL-0001 and addressed in MRL-0004. If you are interested and not trolling you might want to read those.

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I'm not sure that your very well designed system is not full of exploits because its origin BCN was a scam and probably has a numerous backdoors inside..

It is reasonable to be skeptical about these things.

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Because of that I would like to see a complete peer review of Moneros implementation of CN from an independent cryptographer/security professional.

Cool. You should pay for it then. The community would appreciate your contribution just as it appreciates others'

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No thank you. I find these altcoin "peer review" efforts to be a little more than marketing for pumpers.

You should talk with a little more respect to other's work.

I call it as I see it, and I was not referring in particular to any individual's work.
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Well, a exploit in Darkcoins darksend/anon system was found by a amateur coder a few hours after it was open sourced(And this was after Kristov Atlas supposedly peer reviewed darkcoins code) ...So I think that comment  of ,"No thank you. I find these altcoin "peer review" efforts to be a little more than marketing for pumpers." is pretty spot on.

Perfect point about technology that is in development stage.  Wink .
You probably not aware of the risks that hide the early development stages and releases of the code.
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eidoo wallet

I'm snipping all the nonsense you posted about the darkcoin instamine scam because its not relevant here. There are threads for that (including one I created), you are welcome to post there instead of spamming.


It's not nonsense if you cannot defend your claims. I'll wait for clear evidences in the relevant thread then..

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Not a whole lot, because the system is very well designed to begin with. What would be the purpose to change that  other than to play the altcoin feature pumping game, which doesn't interest us. We are focusing on incremental improvements, greater robustness, improved APIs, etc.

From what I saw from PeterTodd's comments about CN and ring signatures, I'm not sure that your very well designed system is not full of exploits because its origin BCN was a scam and probably has a numerous backdoors inside..
Because of that I would like to see a complete peer review of Moneros implementation of CN from an independent cryptographer/security professional.

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No thank you. I find these altcoin "peer review" efforts to be a little more than marketing for pumpers.

You should talk with a little more respect to other's work.


Well, a exploit in Darkcoins darksend/anon system was found by a amateur coder a few hours after it was open sourced(And this was after Kristov Atlas supposedly peer reviewed darkcoins code) ...So I think that comment  of ,"No thank you. I find these altcoin "peer review" efforts to be a little more than marketing for pumpers." is pretty spot on especially since Monero has always been open source.
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I'm snipping all the nonsense you posted about the darkcoin instamine scam because its not relevant here. There are threads for that (including one I created), you are welcome to post there instead of spamming.


It's not nonsense if you cannot defend your claims. I'll wait for clear evidences in the relevant thread then..

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Not a whole lot, because the system is very well designed to begin with. What would be the purpose to change that  other than to play the altcoin feature pumping game, which doesn't interest us. We are focusing on incremental improvements, greater robustness, improved APIs, etc.

From what I saw from PeterTodd's comments about CN and ring signatures, I'm not sure that your very well designed system is not full of exploits because its origin BCN was a scam and probably has a numerous backdoors inside..
Because of that I would like to see a complete peer review of Moneros implementation of CN from an independent cryptographer/security professional.

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No thank you. I find these altcoin "peer review" efforts to be a little more than marketing for pumpers.

You should talk with a little more respect to other's work.

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