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Topic: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - page 1242. (Read 4671575 times)

newbie
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Quote from: nullc (gmaxwell)
So, sure, there are also applications for increased transparency using Bitcoin, but you can always layer more transparency on top of a more private system... but not the other way around.
The political and practical obstacles are enormous, and not clearly more challenging our task of building out Monero and layering transparency on top of it.


This is interesting.. has there been any talk of implementing transparency layers, and their potential function?
legendary
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It will be interesting to see whether Bitcoin can adopt CN functionality. It would a win for privacy and freedom, but bad for my XMR investment: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2oh7vq/toward_unlinkable_bitcoin_transactions_andrew/

Can BTC dev team add ring signatures without having to fork?

That topic was discussed in the comments:

Quote from: andytoshi
The paper will describe some new cryptographic primitives which could be used in a blockchain to avoid explicit linkage between transactions. It certainly does not describe or advocate how to implement such things in Bitcoin. Indeed, this would dramatically change the efficiency and privacy properties of Bitcoin in ways that would be unacceptable to many existing users.
legendary
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Quote from: nullc (gmaxwell)
So, sure, there are also applications for increased transparency using Bitcoin, but you can always layer more transparency on top of a more private system... but not the other way around.

This is exactly what we are doing with Monero.

Greg gets privacy. He's the inventor of coinjoin and definitely wants to make Bitcoin more private. But I also think he is swimming against the tide with wanting to turn Bitcoin in to a more private system at its foundation and then implement transparency on top of that. That is a almost a redesign from the inside out. It is one thing to write papers, but it actually making it happen in the real world is something else. The political and practical obstacles are enormous, and not clearly any less challenging our task of building out Monero and layering transparency on top of it.



legendary
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Money often costs too much.
Can BTC dev team add ring signatures without having to fork?
The team could move quicker than the user base. Which would prep up the gallows, if anyone dares to evolve the code base further. Have that feeling some coin has run stuck.
Just the laws in the technology wilderness are: Evolve, or perish. Cannot help it, that's the law of the tech jungle.
legendary
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WOW
Network Hash Rate: 20.97 MH/sec

Are there any more miners with video cards?

if so
it is in which country and how much electrical energy there
Good for Network but just if Miners dont dump  Undecided

I think Miners dont dump , but Botnet Miners dump
3x2
legendary
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WOW
Network Hash Rate: 20.97 MH/sec

Are there any more miners with video cards?

if so
it is in which country and how much electrical energy there
Good for Network but just if Miners dont dump  Undecided
legendary
Activity: 1120
Merit: 1000
WOW
Network Hash Rate: 20.97 MH/sec

Are there any more miners with video cards?

if so
it is in which country and how much electrical energy there
sr. member
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It will be interesting to see whether Bitcoin can adopt CN functionality. It would a win for privacy and freedom, but bad for my XMR investment: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2oh7vq/toward_unlinkable_bitcoin_transactions_andrew/

Can BTC dev team add ring signatures without having to fork?

no
member
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It will be interesting to see whether Bitcoin can adopt CN functionality. It would a win for privacy and freedom, but bad for my XMR investment: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2oh7vq/toward_unlinkable_bitcoin_transactions_andrew/

Can BTC dev team add ring signatures without having to fork?
legendary
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I made a very simple Windows miner for noobs :

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.9758820

You don't need to know anything, you basically click on a button.
It is for CPU + NVIDIA GPU only at the moment.

There is no virus but a false positive (minerd + ccminer). You must add an exception in your antivirus.


same performance as the standard one? 270 khs(one 750ti), if i remember correclty
sr. member
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It will be interesting to see whether Bitcoin can adopt CN functionality. It would a win for privacy and freedom, but bad for my XMR investment: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2oh7vq/toward_unlinkable_bitcoin_transactions_andrew/

This is the reason Monero has many chances of catching up in the future, there is no way Bitcoin will be hardforked to add ring-signatures by default, as satoshi himself said, its already set in stone (the code).

I really liked to read that discussion on reddit, thanks for sharing.

It can be implemented as side-chains.

fine, you stick with bitcoin with possible side-chain in the future and I stash xmr now Tongue
legendary
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Money often costs too much.
This is the reason Monero has many chances of catching up in the future, there is no way Bitcoin will be hardforked to add ring-signatures by default, as satoshi himself said, its already set in stone (the code).
Code is technology. Err you got that memo stating "technology evolves" ?
(smallprint I am allowed to troll, too)

In risk of infuriating the orthodox bitcoin believers front I want to point onto that next hardfork of Bitcoin where they change the code to increase blocksize. Arguable that is the smallest possible change doable, and merely meant to allow more transactions carried out through the network in between a ten minute timespan. More throughput.

Until the next hardfork following up afterwards the Orthodox Church of Bitcoin might have settled between all Popes to migrate over onto POS, dropping POW mining entirely. But implementing CN I have not heard even rumors  Cool
legendary
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I'm a Firestarter!
I have a couple of nice, short (xmr.) domains.
Would like the idea to use them. I don't need to earn, just to make something that can be good for this coin.
So, domain + hosting = I have. Idea = I don't and would like suggestion(s).
I am good in php and SQL. OK with javascript too.
I know it's not much of knowledge, but that I can offer.

we badly need some explorer, chainradar is out there but there used to be a better one called monerochain.info and it disappeared a few months ago.

something nice with charts and stats like transactions per day, hash, difficulty, etc.

May I get the output code please?
hero member
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21 million. I want them all.
It will be interesting to see whether Bitcoin can adopt CN functionality. It would a win for privacy and freedom, but bad for my XMR investment: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2oh7vq/toward_unlinkable_bitcoin_transactions_andrew/

This is the reason Monero has many chances of catching up in the future, there is no way Bitcoin will be hardforked to add ring-signatures by default, as satoshi himself said,its already set in stone (the code).

I really liked to read that discussion on reddit, thanks for sharing.

It would be pretty funny if it were the case that little of Satoshi's jumbled code remained today.
legendary
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Free spirit
Chains?   Smiley


newbie
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It will be interesting to see whether Bitcoin can adopt CN functionality. It would a win for privacy and freedom, but bad for my XMR investment: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2oh7vq/toward_unlinkable_bitcoin_transactions_andrew/

This is the reason Monero has many chances of catching up in the future, there is no way Bitcoin will be hardforked to add ring-signatures by default, as satoshi himself said, its already set in stone (the code).

I really liked to read that discussion on reddit, thanks for sharing.

It can be implemented as side-chains.
legendary
Activity: 2268
Merit: 1141
It will be interesting to see whether Bitcoin can adopt CN functionality. It would a win for privacy and freedom, but bad for my XMR investment: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2oh7vq/toward_unlinkable_bitcoin_transactions_andrew/

This is the reason Monero has many chances of catching up in the future, there is no way Bitcoin will be hardforked to add ring-signatures by default, as satoshi himself said, its already set in stone (the code).

I really liked to read that discussion on reddit, thanks for sharing.

Same here, there were some nice comments in it. I like this particular one from Gregory Maxwell about privacy:

Quote from: nullc (gmaxwell)
Privacy is important for many applications
Do people want to do business using a currency that lets their competition see their customers and their supplies purchases? Where everyone can figure out their payroll or margins?

Likewise, for your personal life... do you want your landlord knowing when you got a raise? The grocery clerk knowing your net worth (and calling in some cat burger friends?). Your neighbours gossipping that you don't give enough to your church or that you spend too much on porn?

In the Bitcoin ecosystem itself, the lack of privacy is a grave systemic risk... Miners can distinguish transactions and discriminate in their processing, and doing so gives them a degree of control over the system which they ought not have, and wouldn't have if transactions were more private.

So, sure, there are also applications for increased transparency using Bitcoin, but you can always layer more transparency on top of a more private system... but not the other way around.

Reddit spends too much time listening folks with fairly extreme political views who view Bitcoin as a tool for advancing those views. I'm glad lots of people find Bitcoin interesting, but those things aren't my interest, and as a tool it can be used in many ways. The tool of privacy is important to everyone, to companies, to individuals, and even to the governments that represent them. Privacy can prevent crime, improve fairness and quality, and generally elevate the human condition. It's a value that everyone can support and a feature that everyone demands, even if they aren't always thinking about it.[/b]


Also, this conversation is defenitely worth mentioning:

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2oh7vq/toward_unlinkable_bitcoin_transactions_andrew/cmn952n
sr. member
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It will be interesting to see whether Bitcoin can adopt CN functionality. It would a win for privacy and freedom, but bad for my XMR investment: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2oh7vq/toward_unlinkable_bitcoin_transactions_andrew/

This is the reason Monero has many chances of catching up in the future, there is no way Bitcoin will be hardforked to add ring-signatures by default, as satoshi himself said, its already set in stone (the code).

I really liked to read that discussion on reddit, thanks for sharing.
member
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Merit: 10


600KH/s?Huh U have - like - 1000x R9 280X? 100kW? Can i see some pics?

Edit:
Please, are you trying to tell us that you are mining 20 XMR per hour?



I think it's 600 H/s

Mining with 600h/s is not a "huge" loss... Them trolls....
legendary
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I made a very simple Windows miner for noobs :

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.9758820

You don't need to know anything, you basically click on a button.
It is for CPU + NVIDIA GPU only at the moment.

There is no virus but a false positive (minerd + ccminer). You must add an exception in your antivirus.
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