Topic: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - page 1380. (Read 4671936 times)

How about abiding by fluffypony's and my requests to take this up within the context of the MEW or at least give it a rest here for now?

You too Nekomata.

We're looking into it meanwhile everyone please move your miners off moneropool.com. The pool is clearly having trouble and its has rate is down to a tiny fraction of normal.

Anyone who is prepared to fire up AWS instances or GPU rigs or anything else to help support the network while moneropool.com is impaired, please do so.

The post-mine bootstrap idea enjoyed immediate popular support when Triffin and RentaMouse first proposed it:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8881179

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8874391

If you don't like it, start your own fork (with blackjack and hookers...).

Anybody else experiencing issues with moneropool.com?

Miner is hashing away, yet the pool dash shows no shares or hashrate.

Edit: Also I think pool hash fell considerably.. Not fudding, just raising awareness with what's been going on recently

It did receive a few donations other than myself. Here is the thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bounty-for-open-sourced-xmrcryptonight-gpu-miner-bounties-thread-656841

It has been discussed here and on the Monero Mining thread and elsewhere many times, usually linked, often in response to a comment like yours about how this or that should have a bounty, or even in response to specific comments about having a bounty for or having the developer team write a GPU miner. In each and every case, that has generated zero new pledges.

I'm sorry but the only reasonable conclusion I can reach from this experience is that people would prefer to simply let "someone else" pay.


Are you volunteering?

Again, not the time, not the place, to even have this discussion.

Now for a joke: why did the hedgehog cross the road? To get to it's flat mate.

:-P

I concur with my team mate fluffypony.

A proposal has been made within MEW on this matter and that is the best place to discuss it.

What I understand is that there actually is a need for a continuous upkeep/up gradation of the mining software. If this is true, then we can take a leaf from the PIMP mining software. It's website displays the various features that can be added vis a vis the money that would be required for a particular feature, all through donations. Once the limit for any feature set is filled, they write the code for it within a predetermined time frame.

Bits B Trippin featured this on it's youtube series. It seems quite a kickass of a programme.

Maybe we could do something like  this.

Guys, nobody is making any decisions on anything right now. Thus far, there have been a few scattered suggestions, but there hasn't been even one formal, well-defined, thoroughly analysed, well documented proposal. Calls for us (the Core Team) to make a decision or a statement just leave us scratching our heads and saying "turn down for what?"

This frenzied back-and-forth in posts littered with veiled threats and promises are posts driven by emotion. Of course I personally have extremely strong feelings in this matter, but is this the time and place to be discussing it? It is not.

Nothing is on the table or off the table, because there is no table just yet. The constant attacks, both actual and threatened, have left us running around chasing our tails for a month. Now is not the time or create disarray and suck up time in circuitous debates. There will be a time and place for that in the not too distant future.

I would respectfully request that if you insist on discussing this, that any and all comments or posts discussing ideas around "dev blocks", miner tax, adjusting the emission curve, threats to sell your stash if X happens, calls for the core team to wade through walls of posts and make some comment, and anything of that nature be taken to the MEW thread or anywhere else.

Let's, please, solidify ourselves and retain some degree of unity as we restart our activities and reevaluate our priorities, and we can have these in-depth and controversial discussions once the smoke has cleared.

XMR is the future.

Yes. you are on the dot on this one. I have seen you repeatedly mentioning it here to no avail.  I can only exhort you push it once more now. Maybe in today's environment, something might move.

Maybe we can try to significantly increase the bounty.

Anon136 said he would host it. How would we promote it? Here? Reddit? Other? What kind of marketing materials? A general announcement with a link? A promo piece in some crypto-e-zines would be nice--Other?

I think coders see coding solutions, engineers see engineering solutions,  investors see investing solutions, altruists see altruistic solutions, and these are all represented well. But do we have marketing solution? Do we have marketers?

Most everything is arbitrary. That should, however, not lead to nihilism, believing that a bad modus operandi is equal to a good one. While a perfect one may not be possible to find, the aspiration to a better one should still be our aim. The founding fathers of the united States (sic), at least some of them, believed in that revolutions every once in a while are necessary, because a political system cannot make provisions for its own overthrow - there are limits to what can be accomplished inside the system.

Yet they clearly saw that some system was necessary to wage a war of freedom from the greatest Empire on Earth until that time, plus for the building of a nation and guarding its independence from then on. We all know that it did not work out - at first the Constitution was amended, then it was enshrined, then it was mummified, and then it was essentially overthrown by the federal takeover of the liberties that were fought for, more than 200 years ago. The only real attempt of rebellion/revolution/reinstating the rights that the federal government was about to take away, was quenched with a military action in 1861-1865. From then on the freedoms have been on a descent.

The following piece by NewLiberty won the Bitcoin Supernode Essay Contest early this year:


Unlike most coins (some afaik do have a direct stake-based voting), Monero has an economic community vote. Whenever 10% of the community feels that any matter is important enough to be discussed and voted upon, it will be done. According to our charter,


I exhort you (and tacotime whom you quoted) to become members if you want to be part of this discussion. Exhorting the devteam to take a collective stance on a matter that does have strong opinions by both sides, in a public forum with no ground of measuring legitimacy, is reckless at best and outright trolling at worst. We already suffered (well, gloriously defended against) a trolling attack, and do not want the pot to be stirred needlessly.

There is consensus among the developers and the MEW that nothing that relates to the emission will be decided hastily. This will not be the first issue that the MEW handles. We develop our decision making process first with other matters that are less prone to knee-jerk responses to "sell all our coins" (I know this from experience since the MEW already has members in both emission camps that have promised to sell all they have if the opposite side wins  )

The other part of the decision not to use bounties is that the incentive is to do the minimum required to collect the bounty with no further development or support.  This isn't always the case with the windows GUI being one example.

Apparently the developer group at some point became very opposed to continuing to use bounties (which we did early on). I was not directly part of that decision and have no opinion on it so I can't comment.

EDIT: Although, I would add a small opinion. There has been an active bounty for an AMD GPU miner since the very beginning, one to which I pledged (the largest pledge if I'm not mistake). Not only has the bounty not produced such a miner, but no one has pledged anything more toward the bounty since that time either. So based on my limited experience I'd say it suffers from the same failure as other forms of voluntary contributions.

Like this.

XMR is the future.

You couldn't be more wrong. Trust and non scam is a huge merit and the reason many of us are investing in XMR.

An extremely important post, and the position I have taken through the last very long period of time.  It is not beneficial to push "discussions" in the midst of turmoil.

With all these "fuck you" and "troll" and " moderated thread " begs the conclusion that quite a few nerves are frayed. It is also evident that that an inflection point is reached (or will be soon reached) : and as such if the same people keep at it, the chances for a regrettable action only increases exponentially.

IMHO we will need to transcend several such inflexion point before a credible consensus is reached and an action plan decided upon.

My request is that anybody irritated , dazed and dejected should take a step back, recharge their battery and then join again. Otherwisie you risk compromising your high standards.

You are trying to derive a credible consensus out of a diverse community. It can be likened to winning a series of battles in order to win a war. How can that be easy? It will necessarily be long drawn , messy  and gut wrenching.

FRAYED NERVES AND RESULTANTANT ACTIONS ARE ONLY DETRIMENTAL TO THE CAUSE AT HAND.            '