EDIT: Actually the errors are triggered by my actions (i.e. failed send, also got similar errors for get_blocks() or similar). For some reason the wallet could not talk to the daemon anymore. That path does not exist on my computer. Any clues?
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September 26, 2014, 10:23:09 AM
Some error messages need to be sanitized because they leak information:
EDIT: Actually the errors are triggered by my actions (i.e. failed send, also got similar errors for get_blocks() or similar). For some reason the wallet could not talk to the daemon anymore. That path does not exist on my computer. Any clues?
EDIT: Actually the errors are triggered by my actions (i.e. failed send, also got similar errors for get_blocks() or similar). For some reason the wallet could not talk to the daemon anymore. That path does not exist on my computer. Any clues?
September 26, 2014, 10:22:17 AM
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even from an investors perspective the expected value of financing development will be one of the best deals we could ever make still it somewhat fails.
I agree with this. I've shot off 5% of my holdings and may go up to 10% to the devteam (I'm a minnow). If Monero isn't properly funded it will lose it's value. I'm not sure who needs to organize the whales (is Risto doing this) but IMO 1% of holdings isn't enough.
In the beginning I was ok with the 1% forced dev fee. I still am if absolutely everything else fails. I will probably sell half of my XMR if that happens judging by how the community is threatening to react - but by the time XMR dies it will have an improved code base because it was funded. We won't even get this far if it dies due to lack of developer interest / effort.
September 26, 2014, 10:10:07 AM
Moneropool.com needs to stop accepting new miners, its already at 50% net hash rate.
Miners please switch to smaller pools for the time being, i myself mine at monero.rs (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/xmr-pool-monerors-2-pplns-anti-ddos-exchange-payments-workers-stats-791015) . Stable pool with innovative features.
Miners please switch to smaller pools for the time being, i myself mine at monero.rs (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/xmr-pool-monerors-2-pplns-anti-ddos-exchange-payments-workers-stats-791015) . Stable pool with innovative features.
I'm only seeing them at ~30% . But we've seen this before, and the best solution at the time was to increase the pool fees rather than shutting it down to new miners.
They could then direct those extra fees to the devs. Two birds...
Their hash has dropped from 8.8MH/s to 7.8MH/s since my post. Network hash is also higher than it was 1h ago.
September 26, 2014, 10:08:08 AM
Moneropool.com needs to stop accepting new miners, its already at 50% net hash rate.
Miners please switch to smaller pools for the time being, i myself mine at monero.rs (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/xmr-pool-monerors-2-pplns-anti-ddos-exchange-payments-workers-stats-791015) . Stable pool with innovative features.
Miners please switch to smaller pools for the time being, i myself mine at monero.rs (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/xmr-pool-monerors-2-pplns-anti-ddos-exchange-payments-workers-stats-791015) . Stable pool with innovative features.
I'm only seeing them at ~30% . But we've seen this before, and the best solution at the time was to increase the pool fees rather than shutting it down to new miners.
They could then direct those extra fees to the devs. Two birds...
September 26, 2014, 09:16:56 AM
Moneropool.com needs to stop accepting new miners, its already at 50% net hash rate.
Miners please switch to smaller pools for the time being, i myself mine at monero.rs (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/xmr-pool-monerors-2-pplns-anti-ddos-exchange-payments-workers-stats-791015) . Stable pool with innovative features.
Miners please switch to smaller pools for the time being, i myself mine at monero.rs (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/xmr-pool-monerors-2-pplns-anti-ddos-exchange-payments-workers-stats-791015) . Stable pool with innovative features.
yes this pool must be close to accepting new miner
September 26, 2014, 08:58:55 AM
Moneropool.com needs to stop accepting new miners, its already at 50% net hash rate.
Miners please switch to smaller pools for the time being, i myself mine at monero.rs (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/xmr-pool-monerors-2-pplns-anti-ddos-exchange-payments-workers-stats-791015) . Stable pool with innovative features.
Miners please switch to smaller pools for the time being, i myself mine at monero.rs (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/xmr-pool-monerors-2-pplns-anti-ddos-exchange-payments-workers-stats-791015) . Stable pool with innovative features.
September 26, 2014, 08:21:58 AM
blaaa blaaa
Bounty: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bounty-for-open-sourced-xmrcryptonight-gpu-miner-bounties-thread-656841Unfinished CryptoNight OpenCL (AMD) miner: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/unfinished-cryptonight-opencl-amd-miner-671784
If you need an open source AMD miner then feel free to add some XMR to the bounty, find/hire someone to code it, code it yourself, cooperate with some other, who need it or whatever you want, but please let the core dev team work on the priorities:
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The constant attacks, both actual and threatened, have left us running around chasing our tails for a month. Now is not the time or create disarray and suck up time in circuitous debates
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Let's, please, solidify ourselves and retain some degree of unity as we restart our activities and reevaluate our priorities, and we can have these in-depth and controversial discussions once the smoke has cleared.
The constant attacks, both actual and threatened, have left us running around chasing our tails for a month. Now is not the time or create disarray and suck up time in circuitous debates
...
Let's, please, solidify ourselves and retain some degree of unity as we restart our activities and reevaluate our priorities, and we can have these in-depth and controversial discussions once the smoke has cleared.
September 26, 2014, 08:15:45 AM
what is funny in xmr is that we have a shitload of whales swimming around here compared to other alts and we still have problems financing development.
even from an investors perspective the expected value of financing development will be one of the best deals we could ever make still it somewhat fails.
classical game thoretic single shot prisonners dilemma / tragedy of the commons - there is one proper solution for this kind of shit and that is institutions. maybe mew, even though I still have questions, is the answer.
even from an investors perspective the expected value of financing development will be one of the best deals we could ever make still it somewhat fails.
classical game thoretic single shot prisonners dilemma / tragedy of the commons - there is one proper solution for this kind of shit and that is institutions. maybe mew, even though I still have questions, is the answer.
September 26, 2014, 08:04:09 AM
Yes exactly. This is progressive discussion that we can expect if the dev team opens a directed bounty thread as I suggested.
I repeat, anyone can open a thread if the existing one is seen as insufficient. I hope the new thread has more success than the old one.
As I said, the dev team has moved away from bounties as a preferred process, but we can't stop others from organizing them, and don't really discourage it either, if it doesn't overlap with work we are already doing or for which we have developed conflicting plans (and AMD miner is not such a work item).
This is an open source community project. You are not customers you are participants, if you choose to be.
In the context of what I proposed the devs do need to initiate it, at least at the beginning until a suitable volunteer could be found, andthey need to endorse it and be an active part of it. Instead we get "heres an address, give us money" and discussions of taxing the userbase.
You keep repeating the same null points so I can only assume you have made up your mind based on those false pretenses and no matter what discussions or propositions, that is what it is. Yes its an open community, but I am talking about an integrative funding model thats closely knit into the development process. Im not talking about a bounty for a damn miner software that was poorly executed. Tell us, what exactly are the developments the dev team is working on? What are the timelines, task lists, expenses? Pony up that info and you have the relevant framework to build a donation/bounty funding model for Xmr development. Or you can keep talking about how poorly the GPU miner bounty was executed and use that as a basis to shut down any discussions about it.
All I can say is, we have limited time (100% of us are doing this on a volunteer part time basis in our free time) and have spent most of it at this point fighting fires. You can talk all you want about "integrative funding models" but unless someone steps forward to do the work on that, it won't happen soon if at all.
I did say that we will have a spreadsheet as described earlier for crowdfunding of various work items. Even that hasn't been done yet for the above reason. It isn't hard and might not satisfy you but it still takes time to put together.
You still aren't getting it. If you want something done around here, you either volunteer to do it, or pay someone to do it. If not, then you get whatever free work you get and that's it.
September 26, 2014, 07:38:30 AM
I think that trollers are welcomed, even they are making noise only. XMR is under time-based stress test. I want to see how this community can grow up everyday.
September 26, 2014, 07:36:35 AM
I would respectfully request that if you insist on discussing this, that any and all comments or posts discussing ideas around "dev blocks", miner tax, adjusting the emission curve, threats to sell your stash if X happens, calls for the core team to wade through walls of posts and make some comment, and anything of that nature be taken to the MEW thread or anywhere else.
Let's, please, solidify ourselves and retain some degree of unity as we restart our activities and reevaluate our priorities, and we can have these in-depth and controversial discussions once the smoke has cleared.
Let's, please, solidify ourselves and retain some degree of unity as we restart our activities and reevaluate our priorities, and we can have these in-depth and controversial discussions once the smoke has cleared.
I concur with my team mate fluffypony.
A proposal has been made within MEW on this matter and that is the best place to discuss it.
I want to agree with the core team members fluffypony and smooth here: The question of possible slashing of emission rate, with no change in total number of coins, will be addressed in due time in MEW first. It will be thoroughly discussed. Then it will be voted upon. Iff the votes are overwhelmingly in favor of a change, we will expect the change to happen. If not, there will be no change. The most difficult situation would be a close call or a strongly divided community, but we have the resources to handle these cases also.
Only after it is clear if the community favors the change, will the devs even need to care about it. This lets them concentrate on their work (which admittedly they have a lot in front of them) and the MEW can concentrate on funding them (we already raised 2,500 XMR for the devs in 2 days).
The discussion about the topic is very intriguing, but since it requires community vote instead of a I-yell-louder-with-more-sockpuppets-than-you contest (which btw was the way how the emission was voted upon last time, and the quickmine won over a more moderate curve), I exhort everyone who wants to have a vote, to join MEW.
If you want to change it, why not just hardfork and take the devs that agree with you? I think changing the original is highly unfair to current holders that don't agree. Just fork and let the true economy (not a private organization such as MEW) decide.
September 26, 2014, 07:25:57 AM
Yes exactly. This is progressive discussion that we can expect if the dev team opens a directed bounty thread as I suggested.
I repeat, anyone can open a thread if the existing one is seen as insufficient. I hope the new thread has more success than the old one.
As I said, the dev team has moved away from bounties as a preferred process, but we can't stop others from organizing them, and don't really discourage it either, if it doesn't overlap with work we are already doing or for which we have developed conflicting plans (and AMD miner is not such a work item).
This is an open source community project. You are not customers you are participants, if you choose to be.
September 26, 2014, 07:22:56 AM
Is there an active prioritized bounty list? That's a start.
Apparently the developer group at some point became very opposed to continuing to use bounties (which we did early on). I was not directly part of that decision and have no opinion on it so I can't comment.
EDIT: Although, I would add a small opinion. There has been an active bounty for an AMD GPU miner since the very beginning, one to which I pledged (the largest pledge if I'm not mistake). Not only has the bounty not produced such a miner, but no one has pledged anything more toward the bounty since that time either. So based on my limited experience I'd say it suffers from the same failure as other forms of voluntary contributions.
It lacked the structure conducive to success. One which has been frequently successful is to capture expressions of interest until the value is sufficient to make successful completion highly probable, then to get the funds committed, and only then to initiate the work. Upon passage of clearly defined success criteria, finally to pay out.
That was extremely close to the structure used. It likely failed at the first stage, in that expressions of interest were insufficient, and increases in the expressions of interest have been zero for months.
Furthermore, no one has stepped forward to improve the process either. Let someone else pay is approximately the same as let someone else do the work in this context. There is no AMD miner because of both.
September 26, 2014, 07:06:40 AM
Is there an active prioritized bounty list? That's a start.
Apparently the developer group at some point became very opposed to continuing to use bounties (which we did early on). I was not directly part of that decision and have no opinion on it so I can't comment.
EDIT: Although, I would add a small opinion. There has been an active bounty for an AMD GPU miner since the very beginning, one to which I pledged (the largest pledge if I'm not mistake). Not only has the bounty not produced such a miner, but no one has pledged anything more toward the bounty since that time either. So based on my limited experience I'd say it suffers from the same failure as other forms of voluntary contributions.
It lacked the structure conducive to success. One which has been frequently successful is to capture expressions of interest until the value is sufficient to make successful completion highly probable, then to get the funds committed, and only then to initiate the work. Upon passage of clearly defined success criteria, finally to pay out.
September 26, 2014, 06:33:26 AM
XMR is the future.
September 26, 2014, 06:31:27 AM
Disclosing the amount raised, discloses the amount of votes available within MEW. I could now send 1000XMR to MEW and control 20% of the voting. This seems like a very serious flaw in the plan. In theory it would only take a maximum of 5 sock puppet accounts sending the max donation to control 50% of MEW voting rights that seems an absurdly low number.
Minimal response:
So you join MEW with 1000 XMR (not a small sum), and you get 20% votes. What now? There are presumably legitimate members holding the other 80%, and your influence powers seem rather small for what you just paid. Take your extreme example: 5 sock puppets do the same, enter with max, 1000 XMR. This group now has over 50% of the votes. All you managed to do, was to fund the core development team with 2500 XMR, to gain a majority voting position in a community group that bears no control whatsoever over development. Bravo.
Continue throwing XMR at it with more puppets, and all you'll get is "some" MEW 2.0 would eventually be formed, with some refinement to the entry barrier to further deny the presence of shills & sock puppets. All the while, the core development team would have been funded with 50% of all this XMR, pretty good.
If only sock puppets were such generous donators.
Again, this is not at all the place for this discussion. Have you tried the MEW thread yet?
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/monero-economy-workgroup-the-mew-thread-776479
September 26, 2014, 06:15:12 AM
Anybody else experiencing issues with moneropool.com?
Miner is hashing away, yet the pool dash shows no shares or hashrate.
Edit: Also I think pool hash fell considerably.. Not fudding, just raising awareness with what's been going on recently
Miner is hashing away, yet the pool dash shows no shares or hashrate.
Edit: Also I think pool hash fell considerably.. Not fudding, just raising awareness with what's been going on recently
We're looking into it meanwhile everyone please move your miners off moneropool.com. The pool is clearly having trouble and its has rate is down to a tiny fraction of normal.
Anyone who is prepared to fire up AWS instances or GPU rigs or anything else to help support the network while moneropool.com is impaired, please do so.
Ok wallet42 has confirmed it's just a DDoS.
Back to normal. All good.
September 26, 2014, 05:52:13 AM
I would respectfully request that if you insist on discussing this, that any and all comments or posts discussing ideas around "dev blocks", miner tax, adjusting the emission curve, threats to sell your stash if X happens, calls for the core team to wade through walls of posts and make some comment, and anything of that nature be taken to the MEW thread or anywhere else.
Let's, please, solidify ourselves and retain some degree of unity as we restart our activities and reevaluate our priorities, and we can have these in-depth and controversial discussions once the smoke has cleared.
Let's, please, solidify ourselves and retain some degree of unity as we restart our activities and reevaluate our priorities, and we can have these in-depth and controversial discussions once the smoke has cleared.
I concur with my team mate fluffypony.
A proposal has been made within MEW on this matter and that is the best place to discuss it.
I want to agree with the core team members fluffypony and smooth here: The question of possible slashing of emission rate, with no change in total number of coins, will be addressed in due time in MEW first. It will be thoroughly discussed. Then it will be voted upon. Iff the votes are overwhelmingly in favor of a change, we will expect the change to happen. If not, there will be no change. The most difficult situation would be a close call or a strongly divided community, but we have the resources to handle these cases also.
Only after it is clear if the community favors the change, will the devs even need to care about it. This lets them concentrate on their work (which admittedly they have a lot in front of them) and the MEW can concentrate on funding them (we already raised 2,500 XMR for the devs in 2 days).
The discussion about the topic is very intriguing, but since it requires community vote instead of a I-yell-louder-with-more-sockpuppets-than-you contest (which btw was the way how the emission was voted upon last time, and the quickmine won over a more moderate curve), I exhort everyone who wants to have a vote, to join MEW.
Disclosing the amount raised, discloses the amount of votes available within MEW. I could now send 1000XMR to MEW and control 20% of the voting. This seems like a very serious flaw in the plan. In theory it would only take a maximum of 5 sock puppet accounts sending the max donation to control 50% of MEW voting rights that seems an absurdly low number.
September 26, 2014, 04:41:42 AM
I would respectfully request that if you insist on discussing this, that any and all comments or posts discussing ideas around "dev blocks", miner tax, adjusting the emission curve, threats to sell your stash if X happens, calls for the core team to wade through walls of posts and make some comment, and anything of that nature be taken to the MEW thread or anywhere else.
Let's, please, solidify ourselves and retain some degree of unity as we restart our activities and reevaluate our priorities, and we can have these in-depth and controversial discussions once the smoke has cleared.
Let's, please, solidify ourselves and retain some degree of unity as we restart our activities and reevaluate our priorities, and we can have these in-depth and controversial discussions once the smoke has cleared.
I concur with my team mate fluffypony.
A proposal has been made within MEW on this matter and that is the best place to discuss it.
I want to agree with the core team members fluffypony and smooth here: The question of possible slashing of emission rate, with no change in total number of coins, will be addressed in due time in MEW first. It will be thoroughly discussed. Then it will be voted upon. Iff the votes are overwhelmingly in favor of a change, we will expect the change to happen. If not, there will be no change. The most difficult situation would be a close call or a strongly divided community, but we have the resources to handle these cases also.
Only after it is clear if the community favors the change, will the devs even need to care about it. This lets them concentrate on their work (which admittedly they have a lot in front of them) and the MEW can concentrate on funding them (we already raised 2,500 XMR for the devs in 2 days).
The discussion about the topic is very intriguing, but since it requires community vote instead of a I-yell-louder-with-more-sockpuppets-than-you contest (which btw was the way how the emission was voted upon last time, and the quickmine won over a more moderate curve), I exhort everyone who wants to have a vote, to join MEW.
September 26, 2014, 04:40:45 AM
Anybody else experiencing issues with moneropool.com?
Miner is hashing away, yet the pool dash shows no shares or hashrate.
Edit: Also I think pool hash fell considerably.. Not fudding, just raising awareness with what's been going on recently
Miner is hashing away, yet the pool dash shows no shares or hashrate.
Edit: Also I think pool hash fell considerably.. Not fudding, just raising awareness with what's been going on recently
We're looking into it meanwhile everyone please move your miners off moneropool.com. The pool is clearly having trouble and its has rate is down to a tiny fraction of normal.
Anyone who is prepared to fire up AWS instances or GPU rigs or anything else to help support the network while moneropool.com is impaired, please do so.
I'm at max instances already, unfortunately (30). I'll check if I can raise it.
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