Topic: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - page 1486. (Read 4670622 times)

Yes, please.

Trolls are gonna troll.  But if you are just a supporter who favors one coin.  STAY OUT of their game.

I agree that the C in the codebase in insane and dangerous. In the least, we need to refactor to C++ and comment the code.

At a high level there is a lot of merit in it. At the level of actual development, doing that would be a tremendous effort. We're not pursing that course at the present time, but we are always open to input (abrasive or otherwise) and we are also definitely open to dropping some of the parts that don't work well and redesigning them or replacing them with something better. In fact we have done some of that already.

The thread is 670 pages long, and most of it is repeating the same unfounded criticisms over and over again by accounts that have been created during the short history of Monero, and whose posting history includes nothing constructive.

Since your post fell into this category, the answers by one of the core developers, in the day of intense fighting against an attack made possible by (B)CN scamdevs, may sound terse.

TBH the alternative code base (although it's likely weaker in quality) is a large factor in my investment. Redundancy is very very nice

Thanks for setting it straight.

It is perfectly safe to mine, as long as you pick a pool that is running on the right chain. I know that Dwarfpool is on the right chain, but about now, probably all pools are... To be on the safe size, you should check on IRC if your usual pool is on the right chain or not (or post the pool name here if you're not into the IRC thing).

Cheers,
~ Myagui

Thank you for trying.  It would be nice if you could decide how to improve your helping skills, and then try again.


Those who respond to your post are trying to correct defects in your views.  If they are not corrected, you are likely to injure yourself and others.  Please don't interpret that as meaning you should go away.  Try to incorporate the valid parts of the criticism into your thinking, and reject the invalid parts.  Some things taste bad because they are poison.  Some things taste bad because they are medicine.  This is not a candy store.  You are welcome, but if you wish to divest, we are also happy to accept your monero into a more nurturing home.

I agree with you. I believe you also agree that "centralized leadership" means fundamentally different things when applied to a blockchain or a central bank? One should also not forget that participation is voluntary.

As an aside you might or might not be interested in, majority as a function on boolean vectors returning a boolean also has a number of algebraic properties that make it interesting. In short, imagine you had a number of agents, voting yes/no for some arbitrary binary question. You need to construct a family of functions (from {0,1}^n for all n, to {0,1}) to aggregate votes into a group decision. You can practically invent any function you want. For example, a full dictatorship would be a family of projections f(x1, x2, ...) = x1 which always choose whatever x1 chose. Majority is another such family of functions. It has the advantages that is symmetrical in agents (each agent contributes in the exact same way a priori of other votes), symmetrical in range(*) (labeling all yes to no and vice versa does not change the function in any way), monotonic (changing any votes from yes to no cannot change a no outcome to a yes outcome), and some other more abstract properties. It is also interesting that from a computational complexity point of view, it is a counter-intuitively complex function to compute. One of the most celebrated results is that it is not in class AC0 (more or less the simplest computation class that people are interested in - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AC0).

(*) this is not always desirable, and you can use super-majority in that case

Alright, makes sense. That's not really the question that's on my mind though.

The abrasive style aside (I can even see some virtue in that), this...





... kind of begs for a comment from the dev team.

Is it safe to mine or should we wait for a fix to come out first?

We had already talked to Peter about consulting for us before that. He does various consulting work, especially open source projects. He explained on reddit (go find it if you care) that one of his consulting clients happens to be Viacoin, and he didn't even know much about what they are doing. In typical pump-and-dump fashion, Viacoin quickly turned that consulting gig into him being their "chief scientist" and promptly put out a slicked up press release about it.

In short you are reading too much into it, and for what its worth we won't be wasting any of our donation money writing press releases and trying to promote a consulting gig as something more than what it is.

I was trying to be helpful. Clearly, I wasn't.

Clearly my views and investment are not welcome.

Well, Peter Todd was right.  It's politically incorrect, but he's not known for tact and charm.  He's known for creative technical solutions.

And frankly, if IBM were doing its accounting with crayons and monkeys, and you didn't inform the stakeholders, you'd be very irresponsible.

If you are not aware of the full story, you'll have some fun! It would work perfect as a movie:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/blowing-the-lid-off-the-cryptonotebytecoin-scam-with-the-exception-of-monero-740112

I'd like to hear that, too. I hope Peter Todd will answer in this thread.

First rule of investing is not to invest in something you are incapable of understanding.  Warren Buffett tells us that diversification is needful for those incompetent to discriminate good investments from bad.

No one is allowing or disallowing.  Honest constructive people observe that you are acting like an idiot or a scoundrel.  If you continue, then you are also incorrigible.

Because rule #1 of crypto investing is don't treat the devs like they are corporate management and you are shareholder.

The devs owe you nothing. This is open sourced software provided free for you to use (or not use). They are not selling you a product, you are not investing in a company. They simply provide the software "as is" for people to use.

XMR is the future.

Nice plan! Kind of like the opening of stock market. Not sure polo could implement this in short time, unless their new trading engine has this option.

I am impressed with the quick fix under pressure. Should I let bter know XMR can be unfrozen? I think their volumes are pretty low and so probably dont need to worry about clearing price. I dont know how long it will take for them to resume trading, but I have frequent contact with freeworm.

Anyway, I never realized there was something about the cryptonote (CN?) outfit itself that is fishy. they seemed pretty corporate to me, but never did quite understand their biz model. Is there some URL with specific info on what sorts of things they have done?

I did my best to rally support during this crisis, not sure if I helped much, but at least I tried.
I am very happy to see the XMR devs are urging harmony between the two communities. Kudos to tacotime for just knowing where the bug is! Clearly shows he knows the codebase very well to have such intuitions.

James