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Topic: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - page 1701. (Read 4670972 times)

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On second thought. Botnet operators may not neccisarily dump this coin. It's the PERFECT medium of exchange for that sort of person. This will be the hacker coin. Maybe by making such a memory hard hashing function, we have inadvertently put it into the hands of exactly the people to whom it is most useful.

It might be the case that Monero botnet owners are actually looking for a long term investment, but I suspect this is opposite to their general logic. If you have a botnet (owned or rented) or a large number of Amazon EC2 instances, you need to cover the costs. This is a regular business for dumpers, not the investment vehicle.

Botnet dumping issue will continue as long as botnet mining is profitable, which is a balance between the average mining reward and the exchange rate. The price simply can't go up radically if it is profitable to downsell the mined coins immediately. In my opinion, it is better to wait either until the block reward is halved (half a year or something) or difficulty drops significantly (indicator that botnet owners are leaving the coin due to low margin). Until then I expect the worst scenario for XMR when exchange rate is crashing even more as the market moves to equilibrium.
legendary
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so sad the 50btc buy wall at 0.004 is over.

yeah, it was fun to watch  Grin
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I think this is a pretty reasonable timeline. I might argue for October instead of December (3 months vs 6 months), but the idea is the same. There is a rapidly closing window of opportunity before some other coin wins, perhaps a different CryptoNote derivative that has a much more marketing savy dev team.


Well if I am not able to use this coin without assistance before Christmas, I will sell it all...
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so sad the 50btc buy wall at 0.004 is over.
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On second thought. Botnet operators may not neccisarily dump this coin. It's the PERFECT medium of exchange for that sort of person. This will be the hacker coin. Maybe by making such a memory hard hashing function, we have inadvertently put it into the hands of exactly the people to whom it is most useful.

Monero mining might have been more suited to botnet operators than other crypto coins initially, but from now on I suspect the proportion of "investment miners" is never going to be high. It appears that the XMR mining apps have got to the stage where there is roughly parity with Scrypt mining, i.e. a good GPU can hash 10-15x faster than a good CPU, so the botnet operator has no more advantage than the GPU farmer, they just all look for the highest returning coin. Currently its attractive for semi-pro gpu farmers who have been pushed out of Scrypt by ASICs and find other altcoin returns plummeting, and they can have a lot of hashpower -as long as it is earning slightly more than their power costs they will run it. I don't know the costs of running a botnet but I doubt its massively cheaper than gpu mining, and probably not as scalable either.

I think you have to assume that 90%+ of the coins mined each day go straight to the exchanges for sale, so the daily supply from mining is pretty constant (much like Bitcoin), the demand factors on the other side are more complex. Once you get longterm holders deciding to offload coins then you potentially have problems, but at least monero doesn't have the usual premine/IPO dumps to deal with.
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guys, guys, botnets is ill eagle

legendary
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On second thought. Botnet operators may not neccisarily dump this coin. It's the PERFECT medium of exchange for that sort of person. This will be the hacker coin. Maybe by making such a memory hard hashing function, we have inadvertently put it into the hands of exactly the people to whom it is most useful.

Suddenly, botnet owners realize this and the dumping stop.
XMR rise 300% in 24h


Put a message to them in the form of console output on startup in the next software update Tongue
legendary
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On second thought. Botnet operators may not neccisarily dump this coin. It's the PERFECT medium of exchange for that sort of person. This will be the hacker coin. Maybe by making such a memory hard hashing function, we have inadvertently put it into the hands of exactly the people to whom it is most useful.

Suddenly, botnet owners realize this and the dumping stop.
XMR rise 300% in 24h
legendary
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On second thought. Botnet operators may not neccisarily dump this coin. It's the PERFECT medium of exchange for that sort of person. This will be the hacker coin. Maybe by making such a memory hard hashing function, we have inadvertently put it into the hands of exactly the people to whom it is most useful.
legendary
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why do people still favor Poloniex for trading Monero instead of Mintpal ? It's quite strange, what's wrong with Mintpal ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_effect

this is why passing bytecoin will be so hugely bullish. i dont really care how far the price of monero falls in the short term, what want to see if monero as #1 cryptonote platform

Lol. Bytecoin is up again and will be even higher.

Monero can't be sustainable on the market as long as botnets owners are mining it and selling overnight. At least 50% of new XMR emission now goes to dumpers or hackers, whose business is very short term selling. Until something happens and real users finally get into the coin, MRO is doomed to be on the same low level. Huge price spikes are likely some mid-term investors buying in.

I don't see any support for the Monero rate to go up at the moment. That is why I divested from XMR a month ago when the botnet issue was discovered. It's better to wait a bit.

This is a very good argument. I suspect you are right. This is going to be THE coin for botnet operators and botnet operators are absolutely going to dump on the market right away.

However with that said, with each new block, the rate of inflation is less than the last. If you have 10 coins in circulation and you add 10 more its 100% inflation, when you add 10 more its 50% 10 more its 33% ect... So it is a problem that will correct its self with time.

Very interesting food for thought though. Thanks for the comment.
legendary
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When does Monero drop all instances of Bitmonero?

Its been few months now since the change.
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Lol. Bytecoin is up again and will be even higher.

Monero can't be sustainable on the market as long as botnets owners are mining it and selling overnight. At least 50% of new XMR emission now goes to dumpers or hackers, whose business is very short term selling. Until something happens and real users finally get into the coin, MRO is doomed to be on the same low level. Huge price spikes are likely some mid-term investors buying in.

I don't see any support for the Monero rate to go up at the moment. That is why I divested from XMR a month ago when the botnet issue was discovered. It's better to wait a bit.

Bytecoin is up again?! With just 6 (six) buy orders on poloniex? LOL))

When the price of Monero drops down due to short-term selling by botnet owners you mentioned, who are buying this cheap monero? A small group of traders-enthusiasts. When ask offer for Monero will rise, who will sell it? A small group of enthusiasts. They will sell expensive, sure! ))

The only thing that does matter - number of adopters in mid-to-long term future. The only danger to this growing - see my discussion on the thread:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/cryptonote-a-complete-forking-guide-to-create-your-own-cryptonote-currency-673203


Lmfao, 6 buy orders. That's a new record high for BCN.
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Lol. Bytecoin is up again and will be even higher.

Monero can't be sustainable on the market as long as botnets owners are mining it and selling overnight. At least 50% of new XMR emission now goes to dumpers or hackers, whose business is very short term selling. Until something happens and real users finally get into the coin, MRO is doomed to be on the same low level. Huge price spikes are likely some mid-term investors buying in.

I don't see any support for the Monero rate to go up at the moment. That is why I divested from XMR a month ago when the botnet issue was discovered. It's better to wait a bit.

Bytecoin is up again?! With just 6 (six) buy orders on poloniex? LOL))

When the price of Monero drops down due to short-term selling by botnet owners you mentioned, who are buying this cheap monero? A small group of traders-enthusiasts. When ask offer for Monero will rise, who will sell it? A small group of enthusiasts. They will sell expensive, sure! ))

The only thing that does matter - number of adopters in mid-to-long term future. The only danger to this growing - see my discussion on the thread:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/cryptonote-a-complete-forking-guide-to-create-your-own-cryptonote-currency-673203
sr. member
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why do people still favor Poloniex for trading Monero instead of Mintpal ? It's quite strange, what's wrong with Mintpal ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_effect

this is why passing bytecoin will be so hugely bullish. i dont really care how far the price of monero falls in the short term, what want to see if monero as #1 cryptonote platform

Lol. Bytecoin is up again and will be even higher.

Monero can't be sustainable on the market as long as botnets owners are mining it and selling overnight. At least 50% of new XMR emission now goes to dumpers or hackers, whose business is very short term selling. Until something happens and real users finally get into the coin, MRO is doomed to be on the same low level. Huge price spikes are likely some mid-term investors buying in.

I don't see any support for the Monero rate to go up at the moment. That is why I divested from XMR a month ago when the botnet issue was discovered. It's better to wait a bit.
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Guys, who are interested in latest intriguing Cryptonote technology creators' declaration, follow my question on the thread:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/cryptonote-a-complete-forking-guide-to-create-your-own-cryptonote-currency-673203

(WTF ulterior motives manage you, creators of cryptonote technology?)
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Who cares?
perhaps you could try to shed a little light on why you believe this to be the case instead of simply restating your claim.

are you kidding? that would be work.


The layout is much better than most, graphs are some of the best I've seen on any alt exchange, tech support always lurking in the trollbox so you can consistently have issues resolved in minutes, they don't add every single shitcoin that pops up here, they've upgraded their servers so trading is much faster and on and on.  I'd say adding XMR first was one of the smartest things they could have done for themselves in the long run.
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why do people still favor Poloniex for trading Monero instead of Mintpal ? It's quite strange, what's wrong with Mintpal ?
poloniex has the XMR volume.

In general I consider it a vastly superior venue for trading.  MP is primitive.


I've got a new found love for Poloniex since they managed to refund everyone's lost BTC. I just wish they would change from that god awful font they use.
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Sine secretum non libertas
perhaps you could try to shed a little light on why you believe this to be the case instead of simply restating your claim.

are you kidding? that would be work.
legendary
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Sine secretum non libertas
why do people still favor Poloniex for trading Monero instead of Mintpal ? It's quite strange, what's wrong with Mintpal ?
poloniex has the XMR volume.

In general I consider it a vastly superior venue for trading.  MP is primitive.
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