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vokain

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Quote from: iCEBREAKER on May 29, 2015, 01:49:20 AM

Quote from: vokain on May 29, 2015, 01:15:08 AM

I kind of considered your idea for 'State' when I first read it, but for 'Power' to be capitalized, I can only assume that to mean divine power. If you could imagine my perspective, it was a bit weird to see Power separate from a presumed divine state/kingdom.

Not really, the divine right of Kings was/is (theoretically) bestowed/delegated by the (capital C) Church.

Hegel and Heidegger completed in secular terms the conceptual blend of Church and State.

Until Ayn Rand came along and smashed it. Cheesy

I am alluding not to the Church (Circe, goddess of deception, turns men into pigs) but something else. I guess I had two ways of interpreting your statement...

Crypto separates power from the state (men's states), but if it is the true Power bestowed to inhabitants of ~the~ Kingdom of God, then crypto I interpret is actually what seals Power together with such a State, if you can kind of decipher what I'm trying to convey.

"Mathematics is the language in which God has written the universe."

iCEBREAKER

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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.

Quote from: vokain on May 29, 2015, 01:15:08 AM

I kind of considered your idea for 'State' when I first read it, but for 'Power' to be capitalized, I can only assume that to mean divine power. If you could imagine my perspective, it was a bit weird to see Power separate from a presumed divine state/kingdom.

Not really, the divine right of Kings was/is (theoretically) bestowed/delegated by the (capital C) Church.

Hegel and Heidegger completed in secular terms the conceptual blend of Church and State.

Until Ayn Rand came along and smashed it. Cheesy

vokain

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I kind of considered your idea for 'State' when I first read it, but for 'Power' to be capitalized, I can only assume that to mean divine power. If you could imagine my perspective, it was a bit weird to see Power separate from a presumed divine state/kingdom.

iCEBREAKER

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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.

Quote from: vokain on May 28, 2015, 06:50:01 PM

"Crypto is the separation of Power and State." -iCEBREAKER

This is a good one.

Why the capitalization?

Umm, because titles and proper nouns are capitalized?

I guess it's poetic license with a touch of critical theorist conceit, a stylistic flourish to distinguish proper capital-p Power (as in Deep State petrodollar hegemons) from generic power (as in what keeps your lights on) and the capital-S State (as in the Whore of Babylon incarnated by capital-E Empires from Roman to American) from the friendly/helpful folks in Helena, Montana.

With lower case letters, one might think the slogan merely expresses some kind of exotic displeasure with any sort of government-run electrical utility.

Down with the Tennessee Valley Authority! iHasta la victoria siempre!

kazuki49

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Quote from: xa4 on May 28, 2015, 09:34:40 PM

Hmm, I suggest we leave out US patriotic mentality and words like "founding fathers" and "constitution". Crypto and P2P are about anarchism, questioning every kind of authority, so I'd leave out every reference to nation states.

Yeah ofc it was an example, I dont know many parallels, good suggestion, it could simply be a signed memo.

Quote from: GingerAle on May 28, 2015, 09:35:05 PM

This would be neat, but I think the consensus mechanism would cover that, no? I mean, if a dev team changed the emission, we just wouldn't mine that branch.... right?

thats the plan but look at Bitcoin today... its divided and some still use Satoshi holy words as reference for saying the 1mb was temporary, so why not make it something simple and clear so we avoid useless fights in the future?

I believe it will come the day they will try to change Bitcoin emission, I'm 99% sure of it.

GingerAle

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Quote from: kazuki49 on May 28, 2015, 09:03:00 PM

Quote from: fluffypony on May 28, 2015, 07:49:50 AM

Request for comments: https://forum.getmonero.org/4/academic-and-technical/303/a-formal-approach-towards-better-hard-fork-management

I propose here to the core devs to use this opportunity to create a "Monero constitution", we'll have the current Monero developers as our "founding fathers" and a GPG document signed by them laying the principles of Monero and what can and cannot be changed ever (like emission).
http://forum.getmonero.org/4/academic-and-technical/303/a-formal-approach-towards-better-hard-fork-management?page=&noscroll=1#post-1246

edit: this is not of distrust of the current devs but binding the future ones that may come and try "USGavin it".

This would be neat, but I think the consensus mechanism would cover that, no? I mean, if a dev team changed the emission, we just wouldn't mine that branch.... right?

xa4

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Quote from: kazuki49 on May 28, 2015, 09:03:00 PM

Quote from: fluffypony on May 28, 2015, 07:49:50 AM

Request for comments: https://forum.getmonero.org/4/academic-and-technical/303/a-formal-approach-towards-better-hard-fork-management

I propose here to the core devs to use this opportunity to create a "Monero constitution", we'll have the current Monero developers as our "founding fathers" and a GPG document signed by them laying the principles of Monero and what can and cannot be changed ever (like emission).
http://forum.getmonero.org/4/academic-and-technical/303/a-formal-approach-towards-better-hard-fork-management?page=&noscroll=1#post-1246

edit: this is not of distrust of the current devs but binding the future ones that may come and try "USGavin it".

Hmm, I suggest we leave out US patriotic mentality and words like "founding fathers" and "constitution". Crypto and P2P are about anarchism, questioning every kind of authority, so I'd leave out every reference to nation states.

kazuki49

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Quote from: fluffypony on May 28, 2015, 07:49:50 AM

Request for comments: https://forum.getmonero.org/4/academic-and-technical/303/a-formal-approach-towards-better-hard-fork-management

I propose here to the core devs to use this opportunity to create a "Monero constitution", we'll have the current Monero developers as our "founding fathers" and a GPG document signed by them laying the principles of Monero and what can and cannot be changed ever (like emission).
http://forum.getmonero.org/4/academic-and-technical/303/a-formal-approach-towards-better-hard-fork-management?page=&noscroll=1#post-1246

edit: this is not of distrust of the current devs but binding the future ones that may come and try "USGavin it".

vokain

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Quote from: iCEBREAKER on May 28, 2015, 06:13:36 PM

Quote from: Anon136 on May 28, 2015, 02:36:52 PM

Quote from: Hueristic on May 28, 2015, 01:16:36 PM

This is VERY bad.

https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/cryptography-researchers-users-face-jail-time-australia/

I love the way my wife thinks about these things. Most people would be tempted to despair of this. But i showed her this story and the very first thing she said was "wow the powers that be must be terrified in australia". Instead of seeing this as a depressing development she instantly saw it as a sign that the good guys are winning. And we are. Thanks to communities just like this one.

Just another example of a government shooting its self in the foot. I couldn't be more delighted.

"Crypto is the separation of Power and State." -iCEBREAKER

This is a good one.

Why the capitalization?

iCEBREAKER

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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.

Quote from: Anon136 on May 28, 2015, 02:36:52 PM

Quote from: Hueristic on May 28, 2015, 01:16:36 PM

This is VERY bad.

https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/cryptography-researchers-users-face-jail-time-australia/

I love the way my wife thinks about these things. Most people would be tempted to despair of this. But i showed her this story and the very first thing she said was "wow the powers that be must be terrified in australia". Instead of seeing this as a depressing development she instantly saw it as a sign that the good guys are winning. And we are. Thanks to communities just like this one.

Just another example of a government shooting its self in the foot. I couldn't be more delighted.

"Crypto is the separation of Power and State." -iCEBREAKER

macsga

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Strange, yet attractive.

Quote from: Hueristic on May 28, 2015, 04:19:10 PM

Quote from: smooth on May 28, 2015, 04:07:31 PM

Quote from: Hueristic on May 28, 2015, 01:16:36 PM

This is VERY bad.

https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/cryptography-researchers-users-face-jail-time-australia/

Choice quote in there from David Cameron, unambiguously identifying himself as a fascist.

“For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens: as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone.”

Yeah, that's a real Chilling statement.

IMHO, it's not cryptocoin related, than cryptography related matter. The second doesn't exclude the first one though. Beyond bold political statements though, there's a factor which the human race cannot avoid being drifted away with. Technology. Unfortunately for the regulators, the researchers will always be one step ahead of their arteriosclerotic ideas...

hodlmybtc

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Crossposted from the speculation thread:

Circle is giving $5/~0.021 BTC for new users, which is about ~11.29 XMR at current prices Grin

https://twitter.com/circlebits/status/604001124258037761

You have to give some basic info, verify your e-mail and phone for 2fa, takes about 5-10 minutes.

Hueristic

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Doomed to see the future and unable to prevent it

Quote from: smooth on May 28, 2015, 04:07:31 PM

Quote from: Hueristic on May 28, 2015, 01:16:36 PM

This is VERY bad.

https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/cryptography-researchers-users-face-jail-time-australia/

Choice quote in there from David Cameron, unambiguously identifying himself as a fascist.

“For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens: as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone.”

Yeah, that's a real Chilling statement.

smooth

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Quote from: Hueristic on May 28, 2015, 01:16:36 PM

This is VERY bad.

https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/cryptography-researchers-users-face-jail-time-australia/

Choice quote in there from David Cameron, unambiguously identifying himself as a fascist.

“For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens: as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone.”

monerotoday

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Quote from: dEBRUYNE on May 28, 2015, 09:19:37 AM

Crosspost from reddit:

http://monero.today/post/116657529706/milton-friedman-predicts-bitcoin-monero-in-1999

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I think that the Internet is going to be one of the major forces for reducing the role of government. The one thing that’s missing, but that will soon be developed, is a reliable eCash, a method whereby on the Internet you can transfer funds from A to B without A knowing B or B knowing A. The way I can take a $20 bill hand it over to you and then there’s no record of where it came from.

Thanks for posting

Hueristic

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Doomed to see the future and unable to prevent it

Quote from: 5w00p on May 28, 2015, 03:27:06 PM

Funny how the most serious and organized criminals are usually the Authorities themselves. And we know how they hate competition.

Got that right!

5w00p

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Quote from: nioc on May 28, 2015, 01:59:31 PM

Quote from: Hueristic on May 28, 2015, 01:16:36 PM

This is VERY bad.

https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/cryptography-researchers-users-face-jail-time-australia/

I was catching up here while waiting for someone. The tv was on with a news report of 2 high school students that created a way organizing passwords which among other things used military grade encryption Tongue

Wow, them Aussies really want to be at the forefront of fascism.

Considering Australia's history as a penal colony, I find this quote from the article to be ironic:

Quote

“Serious and organised criminals have,” the report warns, “proven themselves adept at identifying and exploiting new and emerging technologies to facilitate their crime, to expand their reach, and to provide them with the anonymity and distance from their crime which makes it difficult for law enforcement to detect and identify them.”

Funny how the most serious and organized criminals are usually the Authorities themselves. And we know how they hate competition.

Anon136

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Quote from: medusa13 on May 28, 2015, 02:45:06 PM

Quote from: Anon136 on May 28, 2015, 02:36:52 PM

i thougth exactly the same. also TPTB sometimes try a new law in one country, see if there are reactions. if everything goes well and no revolution breaks out it will be implemented globally Lips sealed

cryptography is a gift, we must use it wisely. it really works and thats why they hate it

Great minds aye.

Just so you know, I said "the powers that be" because I was quoting. I am head of the action committee to replace this awkward phrase with the actual real word that means the same thing. Cryptarchy. Its a powerful idea wrapped up in a powerful word. Use it. Spread it.

medusa13

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hello world

Quote from: Anon136 on May 28, 2015, 02:36:52 PM

Also i love the way my wife thinks about these things. Most people would be tempted to despair of this. But i showed her this story and the very first thing she said was "wow the powers that be must be terrified in australia". Instead of seeing this as a depressing development she instantly saw it as a sign that the good guys are winning. And we are. Thanks to communities just like this one.

i thougth exactly the same. also TPTB sometimes try a new law in one country, see if there are reactions. if everything goes well and no revolution breaks out it will be implemented globally Lips sealed

cryptography is a gift, we must use it wisely. it really works and thats why they hate it

Anon136

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Quote from: Hueristic on May 28, 2015, 01:16:36 PM

This is VERY bad.

https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/cryptography-researchers-users-face-jail-time-australia/

I sort of think its great when governments do this sort of thing. It truly would be a disparaging development if this meant that cryptographers were going to stop communicating with each other. But that would be akin to believing that if the government repealed the laws of gravity than we would all float away.

This will get cryptography researchers heads out of the clouds and back down to earth. They will stop pontificating about abstract notions and instead start thinking about security in a very practical way.

Additionally all the most important minds in the fight against the state will now develop a culture of anti statism. Meaning they will now be applying their discipline towards practical ways of combating and undermining the state.

Also i love the way my wife thinks about these things. Most people would be tempted to despair of this. But i showed her this story and the very first thing she said was "wow the powers that be must be terrified in australia". Instead of seeing this as a depressing development she instantly saw it as a sign that the good guys are winning. And we are. Thanks to communities just like this one.

Just another example of a government shooting its self in the foot. I couldn't be more delighted.

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