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QuantumQrack

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Quote from: luigi1111 on May 02, 2015, 11:06:15 PM

Quote from: QuantumQrack on May 02, 2015, 10:53:42 PM

Quote from: smooth on May 02, 2015, 05:32:31 PM

Quote from: QuantumQrack on May 02, 2015, 12:48:50 PM

Does anybody know how to use the viewkey in the following scenario:

These is the destination of donations for incorporating Monero use into Trezor firmware.
   Address for donations: 49hGzzV9XtNZKHAe1kNuXkRfhws12ZHipavhffm2gXDXR3aGxiLzt9GRBFPqL6Vgp6hEnpsiT285v5v 4XmrUC93PSTaML5r
   View key: 2a2e69948dfcc5a3198ee0288494a729c65069611cf0146f8f31013dd2a0ac0c (if anyone wants to keep an eye on the account)
   Escrowed by our very own fluffypony

https://forum.getmonero.org/8/funding-required/261/monero-support-for-trezor

https://getmonero.org/knowledge-base/moneropedia/viewkey

There are no tools that implement the view key. We know it does work as it is used by the back end of MyMonero. I think luigi1111 said he was working on something, maybe others too.

I guess I still don't understand. Why would Riccardo put the view key there, if it takes some specialized knowledge/setup to use it? I would rather that is not really advertised if it doesn't work and can't even be tested in at least simplewallet for instance.

I see it as more like a sign of good faith I guess. "When this is implemented in a better fashion you'll be able to see the funds we receive and have received."

Yeah, I suppose. I guess that is another perspective on it. Thanks for your work in trying to implement it. It really is a very interesting aspect of Monero.

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Quote from: QuantumQrack on May 02, 2015, 10:53:42 PM

Quote from: smooth on May 02, 2015, 05:32:31 PM

Quote from: QuantumQrack on May 02, 2015, 12:48:50 PM

Does anybody know how to use the viewkey in the following scenario:

These is the destination of donations for incorporating Monero use into Trezor firmware.
   Address for donations: 49hGzzV9XtNZKHAe1kNuXkRfhws12ZHipavhffm2gXDXR3aGxiLzt9GRBFPqL6Vgp6hEnpsiT285v5v 4XmrUC93PSTaML5r
   View key: 2a2e69948dfcc5a3198ee0288494a729c65069611cf0146f8f31013dd2a0ac0c (if anyone wants to keep an eye on the account)
   Escrowed by our very own fluffypony

https://forum.getmonero.org/8/funding-required/261/monero-support-for-trezor

https://getmonero.org/knowledge-base/moneropedia/viewkey

There are no tools that implement the view key. We know it does work as it is used by the back end of MyMonero. I think luigi1111 said he was working on something, maybe others too.

I guess I still don't understand. Why would Riccardo put the view key there, if it takes some specialized knowledge/setup to use it? I would rather that is not really advertised if it doesn't work and can't even be tested in at least simplewallet for instance.

I see it as more like a sign of good faith I guess. "When this is implemented in a better fashion you'll be able to see the funds we receive and have received."

QuantumQrack

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Quote from: smooth on May 02, 2015, 05:32:31 PM

Quote from: QuantumQrack on May 02, 2015, 12:48:50 PM

Does anybody know how to use the viewkey in the following scenario:

These is the destination of donations for incorporating Monero use into Trezor firmware.
   Address for donations: 49hGzzV9XtNZKHAe1kNuXkRfhws12ZHipavhffm2gXDXR3aGxiLzt9GRBFPqL6Vgp6hEnpsiT285v5v 4XmrUC93PSTaML5r
   View key: 2a2e69948dfcc5a3198ee0288494a729c65069611cf0146f8f31013dd2a0ac0c (if anyone wants to keep an eye on the account)
   Escrowed by our very own fluffypony

https://forum.getmonero.org/8/funding-required/261/monero-support-for-trezor

https://getmonero.org/knowledge-base/moneropedia/viewkey

There are no tools that implement the view key. We know it does work as it is used by the back end of MyMonero. I think luigi1111 said he was working on something, maybe others too.

I guess I still don't understand. Why would Riccardo put the view key there, if it takes some specialized knowledge/setup to use it? I would rather that is not really advertised if it doesn't work and can't even be tested in at least simplewallet for instance.

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Quote from: G2M on April 26, 2015, 07:44:34 AM

Quote from: mmortal03 on April 26, 2015, 05:42:53 AM

Quote from: GingerAle on April 24, 2015, 10:27:31 PM

so the question is at what point does any cryptocurrency become a stable store of value to begin attracting those that are trying to avoid the negative interest rates that are besetting contemporary finance? I'm assuming its merely a measure of time - but how much time? and how much stability?

When I win the lottery and start buying in.

Seriously, though, it'll probably be once the monetary inflation of bitcoin drops significantly lower than most fiat currencies'.

You think so though?

I always had thought that it would take a significant increase in liquidity to become even close to stable, on the route that the ability to remain stabilized would require both an incredible price as well as the ability to encompass the collective wealth of all involved.

So, for the currency to be stable within, say, 1%, then no less than 1% of the total marketcap needs to be within +/- 1% of the price, while factoring something relating to the userbase that would be looking to trade in that 1%.

So for a currency worth 5 billion, and a price of 100$ for a unit, between the price of 99$ to 101$, i'd be looking for $50 million to be ready to go in that range for either sale or purchase. This isn't factoring a scale relating to having less available at market prices and having more available at trading prices.

I'm probably off base a bit, never really studied much economics, but have wondered what stability would look like on the charts.

Quote from: G2M on April 27, 2015, 04:37:48 PM

Quote from: rpietila on April 26, 2015, 02:30:10 PM

I have studied Economics Major. Stability can be:
- exchange rate stability
- price stability
- neither.

In the latter part of 1800s, exchange rates were fixed (each country's currency was just a differing weight of gold). Prices fluctuated a lot based on natural events, but had an overall declining trend based on productivity increases and expansion of trade.

Now, exchange rates change widely, even big countiers' currencies (USA; EU; Russia; Japan; China) are allowed to fluctuate by up to 100% per year against each other. This does not make prices stable, however. Some contractual prices are more sticky than the others (wages denominated in own currency), giving the impression of stability where nothing exist.

The prices have never been stable. We should not think that it could be possible in cryptoeconomy either. The whole goal is absurd and should be rejected.

Oh I see, currency stability is a mirage that I've accepted over not enough years of watching prices and remembering them throughout the seasons, and likely a misleading gimmick if used as a specific selling point. This makes a lot of sense, thanks!

Honestly, thinking about this more, I shouldn't have said that those would be the conditions for it to be stable. (Besides my lottery comment, which was somewhat of a joke.) Those conditions might be the conditions for it to go *up*, not become stable.

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Quote from: kazuki49 on May 02, 2015, 06:50:23 PM

Quote from: ArticMine on May 02, 2015, 06:45:21 PM

Quote from: kazuki49 on May 02, 2015, 05:47:08 PM

What is the licensing status of the Monero sourcecode? Does anything this guy says here make any sense? http://www.reddit.com/r/moneromarkets/comments/34hew4/brainstorming_session_what_is_a_good_idea_for_a/cqw2rs8

AFAIK Monero is forked from Cryptonote MIT so this should mean the same license actually applies right?

The software license can be found here https://github.com/monero-project/bitmonero/blob/master/README.md It is otherwise known as the "The BSD-3 Clause" license This license is compliant with both The Open Source Initiative (Open Source) requirements and the Free Software Foundation (Free Software) requirements.

thanks, you are correct: http://opensource.org/licenses/BSD-3-Clause

It seems Monero is going to be under scrutiny now, the pains of an important and groundbreaking project.

This is the second time someone brought up that exact same license FUD in the past few weeks, after no one making that obviously stupid "mistake" before. I don't remember where I saw the other one, maybe our own subreddit?

I wonder who is behind it.

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Quote from: smooth on May 02, 2015, 05:32:31 PM

Quote from: QuantumQrack on May 02, 2015, 12:48:50 PM

Does anybody know how to use the viewkey in the following scenario:

These is the destination of donations for incorporating Monero use into Trezor firmware.
   Address for donations: 49hGzzV9XtNZKHAe1kNuXkRfhws12ZHipavhffm2gXDXR3aGxiLzt9GRBFPqL6Vgp6hEnpsiT285v5v 4XmrUC93PSTaML5r
   View key: 2a2e69948dfcc5a3198ee0288494a729c65069611cf0146f8f31013dd2a0ac0c (if anyone wants to keep an eye on the account)
   Escrowed by our very own fluffypony

https://forum.getmonero.org/8/funding-required/261/monero-support-for-trezor

https://getmonero.org/knowledge-base/moneropedia/viewkey

There are no tools that implement the view key. We know it does work as it is used by the back end of MyMonero. I think luigi1111 said he was working on something, maybe others too.

I have the ability to take an output and tracking key and get a simple answer on whether they match. I'm working towards extending that functionality a bit. I didn't get to work on it all today though. Sad

Scanning the entire output set with a tracking key is beyond the scope of what I set out to do and has a massive computational cost. I need to think about it some more.

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Quote from: ArticMine on May 02, 2015, 06:45:21 PM

Quote from: kazuki49 on May 02, 2015, 05:47:08 PM

What is the licensing status of the Monero sourcecode? Does anything this guy says here make any sense? http://www.reddit.com/r/moneromarkets/comments/34hew4/brainstorming_session_what_is_a_good_idea_for_a/cqw2rs8

AFAIK Monero is forked from Cryptonote MIT so this should mean the same license actually applies right?

The software license can be found here https://github.com/monero-project/bitmonero/blob/master/README.md It is otherwise known as the "The BSD-3 Clause" license This license is compliant with both The Open Source Initiative (Open Source) requirements and the Free Software Foundation (Free Software) requirements.

thanks, you are correct: http://opensource.org/licenses/BSD-3-Clause

It seems Monero is going to be under scrutiny now, the pains of an important and groundbreaking project.

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Quote from: kazuki49 on May 02, 2015, 05:47:08 PM

What is the licensing status of the Monero sourcecode? Does anything this guy says here make any sense? http://www.reddit.com/r/moneromarkets/comments/34hew4/brainstorming_session_what_is_a_good_idea_for_a/cqw2rs8

AFAIK Monero is forked from Cryptonote MIT so this should mean the same license actually applies right?

The software license can be found here https://github.com/monero-project/bitmonero/blob/master/README.md It is otherwise known as the "The BSD-3 Clause" license This license is compliant with both The Open Source Initiative (Open Source) requirements and the Free Software Foundation (Free Software) requirements.

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What is the licensing status of the Monero sourcecode? Does anything this guy says here make any sense? http://www.reddit.com/r/moneromarkets/comments/34hew4/brainstorming_session_what_is_a_good_idea_for_a/cqw2rs8

AFAIK Monero is forked from Cryptonote MIT so this should mean the same license actually applies right?

smooth

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Quote from: QuantumQrack on May 02, 2015, 12:48:50 PM

Does anybody know how to use the viewkey in the following scenario:

These is the destination of donations for incorporating Monero use into Trezor firmware.
   Address for donations: 49hGzzV9XtNZKHAe1kNuXkRfhws12ZHipavhffm2gXDXR3aGxiLzt9GRBFPqL6Vgp6hEnpsiT285v5v 4XmrUC93PSTaML5r
   View key: 2a2e69948dfcc5a3198ee0288494a729c65069611cf0146f8f31013dd2a0ac0c (if anyone wants to keep an eye on the account)
   Escrowed by our very own fluffypony

https://forum.getmonero.org/8/funding-required/261/monero-support-for-trezor

https://getmonero.org/knowledge-base/moneropedia/viewkey

There are no tools that implement the view key. We know it does work as it is used by the back end of MyMonero. I think luigi1111 said he was working on something, maybe others too.

smooth

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Quote from: stslimited on May 02, 2015, 11:54:02 AM

so what is the bug or concern preventing this from being the main download from the main website on all platforms?

Continued testing and addressing of edge cases. You can find out more by following github and #monero-dev IRC

QuantumQrack

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Does anybody know how to use the viewkey in the following scenario:

These is the destination of donations for incorporating Monero use into Trezor firmware.
   Address for donations: 49hGzzV9XtNZKHAe1kNuXkRfhws12ZHipavhffm2gXDXR3aGxiLzt9GRBFPqL6Vgp6hEnpsiT285v5v 4XmrUC93PSTaML5r
   View key: 2a2e69948dfcc5a3198ee0288494a729c65069611cf0146f8f31013dd2a0ac0c (if anyone wants to keep an eye on the account)
   Escrowed by our very own fluffypony

https://forum.getmonero.org/8/funding-required/261/monero-support-for-trezor

https://getmonero.org/knowledge-base/moneropedia/viewkey

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If I remember correctly someone posted a 'How to' to compile and run the latest Monero + DB on Linux(Ubuntu or debian) some time ago. Can someone point me to this how to.

Question : is it possible to Dockerize (https://www.docker.com/) the deamon, the wallet and the DB ? Has someone done this yet ?

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Quote from: forevernoob on May 02, 2015, 11:28:02 AM

Quote from: jwinterm on May 01, 2015, 08:38:42 PM

Quote from: forevernoob on May 01, 2015, 06:57:06 PM

Can anyone explain how to bet on the fight tomorrow using tippero?
I'm not a IRC geek like the rest of you guys Wink

It should be pretty self-explanatory, if you log onto freenode #tippero channel and type '!help'. I think '!book' should bring up the active books, and then '!bet amount outcome' or something should place the bet, however...it seems tippero is offline at the moment...

Yep it seems to be dead. None of the commands do anything. Who is running the tippero bot?

XMR.TO to a bitcoin address for the bet on directbet.eu. Obviously it will pay back to a bitcoin address, but you could always send it to polo and buy xmr.

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Quote from: GingerAle on May 02, 2015, 12:08:46 PM

Quote from: stslimited on May 02, 2015, 11:54:02 AM

Quote from: iCEBREAKER on May 02, 2015, 11:19:13 AM

Quote from: stslimited on May 02, 2015, 10:58:32 AM

Remember when the database build was going to be merged into production last January?

Have you donated to the core devs or contributed code to the github?

No? Then why are you complaining about a free, open-source piece of software's production schedule?

you don't know that

and because it is late

so what is the bug or concern preventing this from being the main download from the main website on all platforms?

I think the blockchain converters haven't been tested enough / there's still some minor bugs there. I guess the devs don't want to release it and then everyone rebuild the blockchain from the network. There are various LMDB blockchain downloads available from members of the community though, if peeps are willing to trust them.

so if you have a in-memory blockchain and want to test the blockchain export -> import or blockchain converter functions, please do!!!

okay, thanks

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Quote from: iCEBREAKER on May 02, 2015, 12:04:55 PM

Quote from: stslimited on May 02, 2015, 11:54:02 AM

you don't know that

I know that bitmonerod is running on my Windows laptop and taking up only about 60MB of memory.

Grin

what about mac and linux? what are the outstanding bugs or concerns preventing precompiled builds from available for download from the main website?

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Quote from: stslimited on May 02, 2015, 11:54:02 AM

Quote from: iCEBREAKER on May 02, 2015, 11:19:13 AM

Quote from: stslimited on May 02, 2015, 10:58:32 AM

Remember when the database build was going to be merged into production last January?

Have you donated to the core devs or contributed code to the github?

No? Then why are you complaining about a free, open-source piece of software's production schedule?

you don't know that

and because it is late

so what is the bug or concern preventing this from being the main download from the main website on all platforms?

I think the blockchain converters haven't been tested enough / there's still some minor bugs there. I guess the devs don't want to release it and then everyone rebuild the blockchain from the network. There are various LMDB blockchain downloads available from members of the community though, if peeps are willing to trust them.

so if you have a in-memory blockchain and want to test the blockchain export -> import or blockchain converter functions, please do!!!

iCEBREAKER

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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.

Quote from: stslimited on May 02, 2015, 11:54:02 AM

you don't know that

I know that bitmonerod is running on my Windows laptop and taking up only about 60MB of memory.

Grin

stslimited

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Quote from: iCEBREAKER on May 02, 2015, 11:19:13 AM

Quote from: stslimited on May 02, 2015, 10:58:32 AM

Remember when the database build was going to be merged into production last January?

Have you donated to the core devs or contributed code to the github?

No? Then why are you complaining about a free, open-source piece of software's production schedule?

you don't know that

and because it is late

so what is the bug or concern preventing this from being the main download from the main website on all platforms?

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Quote from: dEBRUYNE on May 02, 2015, 11:49:50 AM

MoneroMoo runs it, you could send him a PM on here or at IRC. Bot seems to be offline indeed.

Sent him a PM. Hopefully he can get it up soon.

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