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Quote from: GingerAle on April 16, 2015, 12:05:52 PM

So once the database is released for all to enjoy (which is so soon its about to fall off the branch - fruit/github pun!!!) what're we going to start clamoring for / working on next?

As dEBRUYNE mentioned, I think the task/bounty system on the forum should be next in our clamoring list.

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Quote from: dEBRUYNE on April 16, 2015, 12:39:17 PM

Quote from: nakaone on April 16, 2015, 12:23:47 PM

Quote from: GingerAle on April 16, 2015, 12:05:52 PM

Why can't we just raise funds for these items, in a similar way that funds were raised for the above 2 items?

well partly due to some game-theoretic problems and freeridinng and partly due to the reason that someone has to step up and organize the stuff.

If you manage to organize all the stuff let me know and I send you 20xmr Wink

I would be happy to donate as well and it seems like a great incentive. Aligning it with Monero's birthday would be great too. However, there are some implications, some design goals have lot of interdependency (or are worked on together), so it's hard to set them out apart (I guess fluffypony could give a more extensive argument on this one).

PS: There is already a system in place for this. I don't know when it's going live though, but it will probably be after all the DB work is finished.

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Quote from: Anon136 on March 22, 2015, 08:00:29 PM

you guys are always pointing out how the project is basically unfunded and you do great work under those conditions no doubt. but i just want to do what i can to help with this situation for 2 reasons, for the good of monero, but also because you guys should be compensated for the work you do. and the thing is, i just dont think that panhandling is ever going to get you the sort of consistent and appropriate compensation you should be getting, and monero should be getting.

We've been working on adding some needed functionality to the forum, and our next major task we're going to tackle is the funding system. The idea is:

1. Users / developers / anyone will pitch an idea in the Ideas section of the forum. This is already happening.

2. After some discussion it will be moved by one of the administrators (currently the Core Team only, but that would change in future) to the Open Tasks section of the forum. No tasks have been moved as yet.

3. Developers (including the core team, and initially probably only the core team for simplicity) will pitch against each of these open tasks. Later on I would expect that there would be more people / teams pitching against tasks, and the most competent / available / reasonably priced will be the one the community will veer towards.

4. Once the developer / team has been selected to complete the task it moves to the Funding Required section of the forum, and it is opened for funding.

5. Funding will be to a core team controlled address with a payment ID for that particular project/task, and there will be a funding progress bar. This information will be mirrored over to a funding page on the website that shows the funding progress per project/task.

6. When funding reaches 70% (for smaller tasks) or 30% (for larger and longer tasks) it goes into the Work in Progress section and work begins.

7. Funds are dispensed by the core team on a regular basis and only if there is actual progress / commits / whatever, so it doesn't go into a black hole.

Advantages of this approach:

- the core team's oversight role can eventually be replaced by a group selected from the community at large, so as not to have a stranglehold over things

- the core team's escrow role can eventually be replaced by a multi-sig system (2-of-3) where the signatories are the core team, the oversight group, and the recipient, so the recipient can't spend those raised funds without the involvement of one of the other 2 signatories

- this isn't limited to dev tasks, and things like "fly David Latapie to speak at a conference" or lobbying or PR or advertising can all have tasks created and funded

- funding is direct and specific to tasks instead of going into a big black hole and hoping for the best

We expect this system will still take us another short while before we can put it live, but we're already crunching away at the functionality for it (and this also further emphasises why the forum couldn't just be SMF with a theme;) )

I personally hope this will be the way to go in the future, since it just gives so much more incentive to donate if you can donate to a specific "thing" you would like to see developed. Most people hesitate to donate, because it's currently more or less a blackbox to which you donate (no offence to the devs, but I think a system described above (by fluffypony and by GingerAle) would have a much bigger utility).

Yeah, I realized after posting that there is something in the works for this - I just didn't know if what currently on the monero forum (there are 3 threads - funding required, something, and something) is the actual implementation of this or not. If so - it already exists, and we can start DOING THIS. There's no need to wait. Itshappening.gif

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Quote from: nakaone on April 16, 2015, 12:23:47 PM

Quote from: GingerAle on April 16, 2015, 12:05:52 PM

Why can't we just raise funds for these items, in a similar way that funds were raised for the above 2 items?

well partly due to some game-theoretic problems and freeridinng and partly due to the reason that someone has to step up and organize the stuff.

If you manage to organize all the stuff let me know and I send you 20xmr Wink

I would be happy to donate as well and it seems like a great incentive. Aligning it with Monero's birthday would be great too. However, there are some implications, some design goals have lot of interdependency (or are worked on together), so it's hard to set them out apart (I guess fluffypony could give a more extensive argument on this one).

PS: There is already a system in place for this. I don't know when it's going live though, but it will probably be after all the DB work is finished.

Quote from: fluffypony on March 23, 2015, 04:48:59 AM

Quote from: Anon136 on March 22, 2015, 08:00:29 PM

you guys are always pointing out how the project is basically unfunded and you do great work under those conditions no doubt. but i just want to do what i can to help with this situation for 2 reasons, for the good of monero, but also because you guys should be compensated for the work you do. and the thing is, i just dont think that panhandling is ever going to get you the sort of consistent and appropriate compensation you should be getting, and monero should be getting.

We've been working on adding some needed functionality to the forum, and our next major task we're going to tackle is the funding system. The idea is:

1. Users / developers / anyone will pitch an idea in the Ideas section of the forum. This is already happening.

2. After some discussion it will be moved by one of the administrators (currently the Core Team only, but that would change in future) to the Open Tasks section of the forum. No tasks have been moved as yet.

3. Developers (including the core team, and initially probably only the core team for simplicity) will pitch against each of these open tasks. Later on I would expect that there would be more people / teams pitching against tasks, and the most competent / available / reasonably priced will be the one the community will veer towards.

4. Once the developer / team has been selected to complete the task it moves to the Funding Required section of the forum, and it is opened for funding.

5. Funding will be to a core team controlled address with a payment ID for that particular project/task, and there will be a funding progress bar. This information will be mirrored over to a funding page on the website that shows the funding progress per project/task.

6. When funding reaches 70% (for smaller tasks) or 30% (for larger and longer tasks) it goes into the Work in Progress section and work begins.

7. Funds are dispensed by the core team on a regular basis and only if there is actual progress / commits / whatever, so it doesn't go into a black hole.

Advantages of this approach:

- the core team's oversight role can eventually be replaced by a group selected from the community at large, so as not to have a stranglehold over things

- the core team's escrow role can eventually be replaced by a multi-sig system (2-of-3) where the signatories are the core team, the oversight group, and the recipient, so the recipient can't spend those raised funds without the involvement of one of the other 2 signatories

- this isn't limited to dev tasks, and things like "fly David Latapie to speak at a conference" or lobbying or PR or advertising can all have tasks created and funded

- funding is direct and specific to tasks instead of going into a big black hole and hoping for the best

We expect this system will still take us another short while before we can put it live, but we're already crunching away at the functionality for it (and this also further emphasises why the forum couldn't just be SMF with a theme;) )

I personally hope this will be the way to go in the future, since it just gives so much more incentive to donate if you can donate to a specific "thing" you would like to see developed. Most people hesitate to donate, because it's currently more or less a blackbox to which you donate (no offence to the devs, but I think a system described above (by fluffypony and by GingerAle) would have a much bigger utility).

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Quote from: GingerAle on April 16, 2015, 12:05:52 PM

Why can't we just raise funds for these items, in a similar way that funds were raised for the above 2 items?

well partly due to some game-theoretic problems and freeridinng and partly due to the reason that someone has to step up and organize the stuff.

If you manage to organize all the stuff let me know and I send you 20xmr Wink

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So once the database is released for all to enjoy (which is so soon its about to fall off the branch - fruit/github pun!!!) what're we going to start clamoring for / working on next?

(And don't say GUI)

And also, I'm wondering what everyone's take is on the following - and I preface this by saying that by no means am I critical of anything that people do - indeed, this is all volunteer and free time open source yada yada yada. This is just an observation, and I wonder what it means, and whether we should facilitate some type of change.

In the recent past, there have been 2 successful community fundraising efforts - significant amount of money raised in both.
Both efforts are for great developments - obviously the monero space will be better when these things are created.
In the meanwhile, however, core development is needed and there is a laundry list of items that need attention - some are advances in the core, whereas some are even just bug fixes.

Why can't we just raise funds for these items, in a similar way that funds were raised for the above 2 items?

But in the meantime, whats stopping us from fundraising for any item on the Monero core's todo list?

As far as I can tell here are the current issues, but if a core-dev can point to a better list, by all means:
https://github.com/monero-project/bitmonero/issues

and here are the design and development goals:
http://getmonero.org/design-goals/

So anyone could be like "I'm going to fix issue #240 if I raise 150 XMR"

or "I'm going to get smartmining working if I raise 500 XMR"

I realized the design and development goals should be numbered (itemized) for easy reference, but my lunch break is over.... so must get back to USD-paying work.

But yeah - here's the monero forums "funding needed" section. https://forum.getmonero.org/8/funding-required

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getmonero.org

Monero Status
A friend of mine made an android widget and app.

App and Widget for the Monero cryptocurrency, with stats from all exchanges.
Google Store: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=tr.monerostatus

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Simple widget and app for the Monero(XMR) cryptocurrency

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Supported exchanges: poloniex.com, bittrex.com, bter.com, hitbtc.com, melotic.com, shapeshift.io
Supported fiat currencies: AUD, BRL, CAD, CHF, CNY, EUR, GBP, IDR, ILS, MXN, NOK, NZD, PLN, RON, RUB, SEK, SGD, USD and ZAR

Monero Widget features (both in 2x1 and 2x2 formats):
•30 minute fixed refresh rate, tap refresh sign to instantly refresh
•Tap Monero logo to launch App in the chosen currency
•Price in BTC from chosen exchange, color coded for recent change
•Price in chosed currency from coinmarketcap.com
•24 hour total volume in chosed currency from coinmarketcap.com
•Approximate hashrate in Mh/s from moneroblocks.eu

Monero Widget features (only in 2x2):
•Calculated price for your XMR assets
•Calculated mined value per day from your hashrate
•Market capitalization in the chosen currency

App features:
•All the widget information and capabilities
•Left side drawer for navigation (Swipe right from the side or press app icon to open)
•Trial fullscreen button, please report bugs
•Tap the refresh icon to refresh, long press to enter continuous refresh mode; exit by tapping again
•Exchange specific 24 hour volume from chosen exchange
•Total market capitalization, 24 hour percentage change and ranking from coinmarketcap.com
•Total coins in existence, block height and difficulty from moneroblocks.eu
•Calculate prices for your amount of XMR
•Calculate XMR mined per day and their value for your hashrate
•Market-Order Depth graph drawing data from all enabled exchanges, plus their total (combined) market depth
•XMR markets for other cryptocurrencies by exchanges that offer them
•Enable the exchanges you want in the graph by tapping on their names in the drawer
•Change the graph's viewed range with pinch in/pinch out gestures

Coinmarketcap data retrieved through http://coinmarketcap.northpole.ro/ JSON API

Using the GraphView library from http://android-graphview.org/ , licenced under the LGPL

Donations welcome

Many thanks to those that have already donated!

Code:

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Updates
•Changed to moneroblocks.eu from chainradar.com (chainradar has a pretty restrictive api usage limit)
•Added Shapeshift.io as an exchange (one can see it that way Tongue

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•Added Ramer–Douglas–Peucker smoothing to the market depth graph, dependant on zoom level
•Unexpected bug fixes!

And please make feature requests or tell us about bugs! It really helps!
(This update should have fixed some user's problems. If not please contact us!)

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Hy guys

now one can read the thread again without any DASH/DRK involved Grin

Thank you guys, keep on going, i am counting on you Shocked

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Quote from: GreekBitcoin on April 15, 2015, 12:12:52 PM

I have noticed that too. Apparently there are wrong calculations...Which pool do you guys consider to be the best one right now?

Best pool by far is monero.crypto-pool.fr.

No one denies that's the largest pool, but largest doesn't mean best. On smaller pools your payments will be less frequent, but bigger. On the long run you should be getting more or less the same amount of XMR from each pool (it's also been said that you would be getting a little more from smaller pools, but I don't have the theory to back it up). But most importantly, if you avoid largest pools you will be helping to the decentralization by spreading the network's hash power.

You should look for a good pool with low latency in your location. Just make sure to ping the mining server address and not the web server, as they may not be in the same location. Also, if your mining software supports it, you should add a backup pool just in case your main pool becomes unavailable.

Avoid small pools , difficulty oscillates by 10-30% during the day, if you mine at a small pool and it hits no blocks during the low diff period than you are at a loss.

And if it does hit a block during a low-dificulty period you get a bit extra. Over several days it largely balances out.

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Mine at a pool that hits a block every 10-15mins

A few blocks per day is plenty imo. The most important factor for a pool is reliability and that you have low latency. Bigger payouts is helpful because it will reduce your transaction fees when you try to spend.

One suggestion I remember from a while back that was pretty good is to mine in such a way that you get part of at least 50 blocks. That depends not only on the pool hash rate (or your own hash rate if solo mining) but also your time horizon.

Wrong. The difficulty keeps increasing, you don't get a second chance when you don't hit a block during the low-diff period.

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All I want is a new CLEAN page for just to live!

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Quote from: DirtyUniverse on April 15, 2015, 10:07:51 PM

Hello, I setup my OpenAlias on CloudFlare but i dont know how to test. My OpenAlias is : xmr.mehti.net

How i can test? I use mymonero.com wallet.

is this your address??

487Hjkmx7ucMUREJqDRvGDFKCmU4HhKFTDwx6kJxz68sLzhcvisSee6V6586yZbbD8YRrr76W3pVngy NZHAKSoSsFK3qNrK

you would just enter your openalias into the send to box in mymonero. Then it'll look it up and go BAH DNSSEC, but we ignore that for now.

Yeah its my adress.

And its working
Thanks.

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Quote from: GingerAle on April 15, 2015, 10:11:01 PM

Quote from: opennux on April 15, 2015, 09:41:11 PM

(snip)

I just wanted to know if the effort is/was worth it?

I think any effort in this space is worth it - but the ones that really determine the value are the individuals you're setting it up for

>> We could provide a venue for people where they could either "donate" a node, just by signing up and transferring the funds. At the same time we could put a minimum donation amount required.

gotcha. You could even just setup a server with a single instance of bitmonerod, and people could either ssh into the server and run their own instance of simplewallet, or they could remote into that node using MoneroX.

in general though I'm not a fan of doing cryptocurrency stuff on servers. Doesn't jive with the whole decentralization piece of the puzzle for me... but thats just me.

I'm not particular interested in running a server like that, because those people capable of using that would likely also be capable (both in knowledge and resources/spirit to do so) would set up their own thing anyway.

This was more aiming for those of lesser tech savvy and/or those who don't have the time/don't get stuff done because of whatever hurdles. This would remove those quite few of those hurdles.

It could be set up with several choices. Node or full node with GPU miner, length of subscription, number of nodes/GPU miners, etc.

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Quote from: GingerAle on April 15, 2015, 09:28:53 PM

But even greater would be an easy way to set up a full node using a GPU miner. I know its doable, but I haven't had the full weekend of time to devote to tinkering with it.

Yes you just need to install the pool package, which isn't that hard (I did it once, a long time ago). A step-by-step guide for that would be great.

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Quote from: DirtyUniverse on April 15, 2015, 10:07:51 PM

Hello, I setup my OpenAlias on CloudFlare but i dont know how to test. My OpenAlias is : xmr.mehti.net

How i can test? I use mymonero.com wallet.

is this your address??

487Hjkmx7ucMUREJqDRvGDFKCmU4HhKFTDwx6kJxz68sLzhcvisSee6V6586yZbbD8YRrr76W3pVngy NZHAKSoSsFK3qNrK

you would just enter your openalias into the send to box in mymonero. Then it'll look it up and go BAH DNSSEC, but we ignore that for now.

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Quote from: opennux on April 15, 2015, 09:41:11 PM

(snip)

I just wanted to know if the effort is/was worth it?

I think any effort in this space is worth it - but the ones that really determine the value are the individuals you're setting it up for

>> We could provide a venue for people where they could either "donate" a node, just by signing up and transferring the funds. At the same time we could put a minimum donation amount required.

gotcha. You could even just setup a server with a single instance of bitmonerod, and people could either ssh into the server and run their own instance of simplewallet, or they could remote into that node using MoneroX.

in general though I'm not a fan of doing cryptocurrency stuff on servers. Doesn't jive with the whole decentralization piece of the puzzle for me... but thats just me.

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All I want is a new CLEAN page for just to live!

Hello, I setup my OpenAlias on CloudFlare but i dont know how to test. My OpenAlias is : xmr.mehti.net

How i can test? I use mymonero.com wallet.

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Quote from: 5w00p on April 15, 2015, 10:02:46 PM

opennux, I believe that your service is worth trying. I am wiling to help you in any way that I can.

Thanks. I will send you a PM soon, and others are welcome to PM too. I will expand on the idea in the PM.

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Quote from: saddambitcoin on April 15, 2015, 09:39:59 PM

Quote from: GingerAle on April 15, 2015, 09:28:53 PM

Probably the best way to strengthen the network would be to provide content on:
http://getmonero.org/knowledge-base/user-guides/

To contribute, just fork https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site and make a pull request?

Thats it!

And if you need a primer on markdown, the link is here:
http://daringfireball.net/projects/markdown/syntax

But I think the main things you'd need to know is:

[this is a link](tothisurl.com)

![this is a picture](tothispicurl.com)

#this will make text huge (heading)
##this somewhat smaller
###smaller still
etc

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opennux, I believe that your service is worth trying. I am wiling to help you in any way that I can.

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Quote from: GingerAle on April 15, 2015, 09:28:53 PM

Quote from: opennux on April 15, 2015, 08:56:19 PM

What's the best way to help out the network? Full node? On Raspberry? VPS? Other system? What's cheapest?

I was thinking about doing a community service of setting up nodes for people. People would pay the full cost of the affiliate link of InterServer.net for a specified time. (It's <6$ monthly).

On top I would charge a yet unspecified amount (something like 5-10 xmr) which would in full be donated to the core team development fund.

Thoughts?

Probably the best way to strengthen the network would be to provide content on:

http://getmonero.org/knowledge-base/user-guides/

and here:

http://getmonero.org/knowledge-base/developer-guides/

the logic being that this information, nicely compiled on getmonero.org, will attract and instruct any interested person. This adoption leads to the network being helped out.

My crusade is still network hash strength. So, in that sense, a full node would be great. But even greater would be an easy way to set up a full node using a GPU miner. I know its doable, but I haven't had the full weekend of time to devote to tinkering with it.

"setting up nodes for people" - who is your target audience? If they are people in cryptoworld, thats good, because they can probably update their node at some point. If its just general people, you'll have to maintain their node for them (specifically for the hardfork eventually coming up at some point).

About the latter part, setting up for people. Several people have been holding back with "investing" in xmr because "no GUI". Some hold on exchanges (and now there's mymonero etc.). So even though we are first movers, and tech savvy compared to the rest of the population, many people in the space are still not tech savvy enough. I suspect it's a hurdle for many people. We could provide a venue for people where they could either "donate" a node, just by signing up and transferring the funds. At the same time we could put a minimum donation amount required.

I just wanted to know if the effort is/was worth it?

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Quote from: GingerAle on April 15, 2015, 09:28:53 PM

Probably the best way to strengthen the network would be to provide content on:
http://getmonero.org/knowledge-base/user-guides/

To contribute, just fork https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site and make a pull request?

smooth

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Quote from: opennux on April 15, 2015, 08:56:19 PM

What's the best way to help out the network? Full node? On Raspberry? VPS? Other system? What's cheapest?

The best way regardless of cost is a full node on a decent CPU (i7/xeon) with solo mining. The equipment costs money obviously -- unless its something you already own -- but the power usage is pretty low. If you have a suitable GPU you can't solo mine obviously, so mine to a smaller pool.

RPi is very experimental at this point, won't really do much to help the network short term (no one has even synced yet).

VPS and such is reasonable, obviously has some privacy risks if people are using it for spending but no worse than a shared node. Most cheap VPS won't be feasible for mining. Runing a node without mining still helps the network, but not as much. Some VPS might be okay for mining though.

To help the project direct your solo mining to the donation address, but obviously that's a separate question from helping the network.

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