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Topic: [XMR] Monero Speculation - page 1152. (Read 3314330 times)

legendary
Activity: 1904
Merit: 1003
August 30, 2016, 02:02:46 AM
throw jokes about lambos and boats and ran again. Only market adoption makes sense for now and XMR has real sector. The most real one in crypto.

You may not have clicked the link, given your interpretation of the boat meme.

Not about you btw.
legendary
Activity: 1596
Merit: 1030
Sine secretum non libertas
August 30, 2016, 01:32:07 AM
throw jokes about lambos and boats and ran again. Only market adoption makes sense for now and XMR has real sector. The most real one in crypto.

You may not have clicked the link, given your interpretation of the boat meme.  It's worth a look.  BTC lusted after easier integration with the legacy financial system for years.  You can fund a visa card with Monero, make SEPA payments from Monero. I find that very empowering.  Why save in a depreciating currency at negative interest rates when you can save in the most rapidly appreciating asset on the planet, with convenient liquidity?!

More on-ramps will be required. 
legendary
Activity: 2016
Merit: 1259
August 30, 2016, 01:28:09 AM
254 active nodes  Shocked Cool
legendary
Activity: 1596
Merit: 1030
Sine secretum non libertas
August 30, 2016, 01:19:55 AM
Is XMR's rise too much, too soon? It would have been better if the rise was slow  ...

That's the nature of the animal.  Wishing won't change that.  Price was too low, so it had to go up.  There were 2.5 years to bid it up, but no one could be bothered.  

It will happen again and again.  As with bitcoin, so with Monero, only faster.  Much faster.

sr. member
Activity: 686
Merit: 251
August 30, 2016, 01:06:38 AM
yah try  to buy XMR and hold, hope price like ETH soon.
legendary
Activity: 1904
Merit: 1003
August 30, 2016, 01:05:00 AM
majority the people from the community could participated and gotten in to have their fill.

"Community" had 2 years to fill. There is no such word as "community" in crypto, all "community" forgot about coin for a year, devs worked hard on it, then "community" back for a day to dump, throw jokes about lambos and boats and ran again. Only market adoption makes sense for now and XMR has real sector. The most real one in crypto.
legendary
Activity: 3164
Merit: 1506
August 30, 2016, 12:58:55 AM
Is XMR's rise too much, too soon? It would have been better if the rise was slow and real where majority the people from the community could participated and gotten in to have their fill. This rise looks like the traders took advantage of the people's fear of being left behind by pumping it and then sell at high prices. Sooner or later some people will get burned playing in the current state of the XMR market.
legendary
Activity: 1596
Merit: 1030
Sine secretum non libertas
legendary
Activity: 1596
Merit: 1030
Sine secretum non libertas
August 29, 2016, 11:59:44 PM
Since polo is so bot-infested, it's hard to compete for maker rate.

Who would move to a new exchange that did not offer an API - humans only?

Maybe I should make a poll...
legendary
Activity: 1596
Merit: 1030
Sine secretum non libertas
August 29, 2016, 11:55:29 PM
Gosh, what happened?

When I went to bed the resident monkey botherer was predicting an ATH within "6 to 8 hours" - no doubt those numbers were used in a semantically objective way  Cheesy Cheesy Tongue

I was objectively wrong.

I was just running with the theory that if it happens 4 times, it's liable to happen  5.  6, 8, 18, 48, whatever, as long as it happens eventually (by 2017) I'll be content.
legendary
Activity: 1008
Merit: 1000
Dumb broad
August 29, 2016, 11:45:59 PM
Roger Ver makes a good point here
https://forum.bitcoin.com/monero/monero-price-speculation-thread-t10274.html#p29049

"Monero... hasn't been heavily tested with actual users yet.
It would only take one thing to go wrong technically for most, or all of the market cap to disappear."

The thoughts of those more technically minded....?


translation:

I took profit and am gonna buy at a lower pricepoint now.

Just cynical  Tongue Tongue Kiss
legendary
Activity: 1008
Merit: 1000
Dumb broad
August 29, 2016, 11:44:51 PM
Looks like I might risk cutting my paw on the knife again tonight.

legendary
Activity: 3836
Merit: 4969
Doomed to see the future and unable to prevent it
August 29, 2016, 11:43:07 PM
Roger Ver makes a good point here
https://forum.bitcoin.com/monero/monero-price-speculation-thread-t10274.html#p29049

"Monero... hasn't been heavily tested with actual users yet.
It would only take one thing to go wrong technically for most, or all of the market cap to disappear."

The thoughts of those more technically minded....?


translation:

I took profit and am gonna buy at a lower pricepoint now.
legendary
Activity: 1008
Merit: 1000
Dumb broad
August 29, 2016, 11:40:57 PM
Roger Ver makes a good point here
https://forum.bitcoin.com/monero/monero-price-speculation-thread-t10274.html#p29049

"Monero... hasn't been heavily tested with actual users yet.
It would only take one thing to go wrong technically for most, or all of the market cap to disappear."

The thoughts of those more technically minded....?
legendary
Activity: 2660
Merit: 2868
Shitcoin Minimalist
August 29, 2016, 11:29:22 PM
It may be a bit early to call it support, but there seems to be support building around .014.
member
Activity: 82
Merit: 10
August 29, 2016, 10:55:16 PM
Aminorex, can you explain how you determine the rational limit of XMR to own?
I think it's counter-productive to own so much that it threatens the value of the currency you do hold.  

My original reasoning was invalid, but I used it for lack of a valid alternative:  There are working local currencies in villages as small as ca.  1000 households.  Thus the greatest lower bound on the number of nodes in a viable economy is, to first approximation on evidence, ~1000.  Therefore, No one should own more than 0.1% of emission in the long-run, or there may not be enough nodes.

Not only is this reasoning invalid, it is also obsolete:  There is now a much broader distribution than there was when I formulated the invalid conclusion.  Due to divisibility, it doesn't matter what share of the float the nodes have, so long as the share is distributed appropriately amongst the nodes of the (sub-)economy.

There remain two considerations which I now deem relevant:

I exercise some restraint simply because I don't think it's healthy for adoption if there is a single person who you can point at and say:  He will benefit disproportionately, if I use this currency.  Why should I act to enrich him?  (Although, in my own case, I think I could make a pretty good argument that you should.  Otherwise I wouldn't bother.)  As long as I am among 50 instead of 5, I think I am not doing much positive harm to the economy.  The farther up the Gini curve you go, the more self-defeating it becomes. Maybe you can predate upon a well-developed economy, and continuously improve yourself by impoverishing others, but in a nascent start-up economy, I doubt it can be done, practically speaking.  You have to contribute as best you can, and help insure a constructive, utile distribution, at least until it bootstraps.  My ability to contribute is constrained by available time, so I can't accumulate too much -- otherwise, my harm to distribution will not be adequately offset by my positive contributions in other areas.  How do you calibrate this?  I haven't tried very hard, but I don't really know how, so I just wing it.  Which makes the constraint perhaps a bit too ... flexible ... for perfect, clear (self-interested OR altruistic) rationality.

A separate fuzzy factor which I weigh together with this:  If I were to have owned too much Monero when it was declining, my courage might have failed, or my wife might have ditched me.  Neither would be an acceptable outcome:  I abhor personal cowardice, and I cherish and respect my wife.  But those are personal factors, and highly subjective, although you can work with them rationally, within some limited domains.
Thanks for the detailed reply. Am I correctly understanding that you originally thought the limit was ~0.1% of emission, but now you think it's ~2%? What figure do you use for emission? Aside from the limit on % of emission, what do you think should be the limit on % of assets allocated to XMR?
legendary
Activity: 3836
Merit: 4969
Doomed to see the future and unable to prevent it
August 29, 2016, 10:41:53 PM
Looks like I might risk cutting my paw on the knife again tonight.

catching a falling knife > buying with the herd at the top

Well we are breaking the bottom of a wedge it looks like to me.

Just have to wait somewhere between 3 minutes and 6 hours. Wink

I hope there is a huge dump so I can back in next week. Smiley

Maybe you could arrange for a mutability bug, or find evidence of bad accounting on the polo blockchain

Bah, I can only hope! Cheesy when I run bad it's global and the last 6 months have been spectacularly bad!

Tell me what are the odds of AA v/s AA twice and losing both!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aR52zv1GqBY

Thats not me BTW.
legendary
Activity: 1596
Merit: 1030
Sine secretum non libertas
August 29, 2016, 10:35:13 PM
Looks like I might risk cutting my paw on the knife again tonight.

catching a falling knife > buying with the herd at the top

Well we are breaking the bottom of a wedge it looks like to me.

Just have to wait somewhere between 3 minutes and 6 hours. Wink

I hope there is a huge dump so I can back in next week. Smiley

Maybe you could arrange for a mutability bug, or find evidence of fractional Reserve on the polo blockchain
legendary
Activity: 3836
Merit: 4969
Doomed to see the future and unable to prevent it
August 29, 2016, 10:31:35 PM
Looks like I might risk cutting my paw on the knife again tonight.

catching a falling knife > buying with the herd at the top

Well we are breaking the bottom of a wedge it looks like to me.

Just have to wait somewhere between 3 minutes and 6 hours. Wink

I hope there is a huge dump so I can back in next week. Smiley
legendary
Activity: 3766
Merit: 5146
Note the unconventional cAPITALIZATION!
August 29, 2016, 10:28:38 PM
Looks like I might risk cutting my paw on the knife again tonight.

catching a falling knife > buying with the herd at the top

Well we are breaking the bottom of a wedge it looks like to me.

Just have to wait somewhere between 3 minutes and 6 hours. Wink
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