[XMR] Monero Speculation - page 1325.

dEBRUYNE

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Quote from: smooth on April 20, 2016, 05:42:18 PM

Quote from: sandiman on April 20, 2016, 05:35:48 PM

Quote from: explorer on April 20, 2016, 05:07:28 PM

Quote from: sandiman on April 20, 2016, 05:01:15 PM

Quote from: TrueCryptonaire on April 20, 2016, 10:05:14 AM

Quote from: sandiman on April 20, 2016, 05:35:21 AM

Is it really risky to loan XMR (or other cryptocurrencies) ? how likely is it that someone won't pay you back?

If you have no collateral and you are giving out a personal loan it is very likely not to get your money back.
However, if you have collateral you significiantly lower the risk of default. Yes you might have some risk (like the collateral is not good enough in case of forced liquidation) or the service operator will go to bankcrupt (like Gox did with btc).

How does it work with the collateral in Poloniex ? is it possible to have one but get a lower interest rate (I don't have account there and lending would be the only reason)? thanks for the help.

https://poloniex.com/support/aboutMarginTrading/

Thank you for that.

I had a look and I am now checking the loan markets, which has hardly demand for all the coins present. Is this normal or I checked at the wrong time?

Various enormously depending on market conditions.

Isn't he implying here that Poloniex only offers margin trading for a few coins (i.e. not all coins listed)?

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Quote from: sandiman on April 20, 2016, 05:35:48 PM

Quote from: explorer on April 20, 2016, 05:07:28 PM

Quote from: sandiman on April 20, 2016, 05:01:15 PM

Quote from: TrueCryptonaire on April 20, 2016, 10:05:14 AM

Quote from: sandiman on April 20, 2016, 05:35:21 AM

Is it really risky to loan XMR (or other cryptocurrencies) ? how likely is it that someone won't pay you back?

If you have no collateral and you are giving out a personal loan it is very likely not to get your money back.
However, if you have collateral you significiantly lower the risk of default. Yes you might have some risk (like the collateral is not good enough in case of forced liquidation) or the service operator will go to bankcrupt (like Gox did with btc).

How does it work with the collateral in Poloniex ? is it possible to have one but get a lower interest rate (I don't have account there and lending would be the only reason)? thanks for the help.

https://poloniex.com/support/aboutMarginTrading/

Thank you for that.

I had a look and I am now checking the loan markets, which has hardly demand for all the coins present. Is this normal or I checked at the wrong time?

Various enormously depending on market conditions.

sandiman

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Quote from: explorer on April 20, 2016, 05:07:28 PM

Quote from: sandiman on April 20, 2016, 05:01:15 PM

Quote from: TrueCryptonaire on April 20, 2016, 10:05:14 AM

Quote from: sandiman on April 20, 2016, 05:35:21 AM

Is it really risky to loan XMR (or other cryptocurrencies) ? how likely is it that someone won't pay you back?

If you have no collateral and you are giving out a personal loan it is very likely not to get your money back.
However, if you have collateral you significiantly lower the risk of default. Yes you might have some risk (like the collateral is not good enough in case of forced liquidation) or the service operator will go to bankcrupt (like Gox did with btc).

How does it work with the collateral in Poloniex ? is it possible to have one but get a lower interest rate (I don't have account there and lending would be the only reason)? thanks for the help.

https://poloniex.com/support/aboutMarginTrading/

Thank you for that.

I had a look and I am now checking the loan markets, which has hardly demand for all the coins present. Is this normal or I checked at the wrong time?

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Quote from: sandiman on April 20, 2016, 05:01:15 PM

Quote from: TrueCryptonaire on April 20, 2016, 10:05:14 AM

Quote from: sandiman on April 20, 2016, 05:35:21 AM

Is it really risky to loan XMR (or other cryptocurrencies) ? how likely is it that someone won't pay you back?

If you have no collateral and you are giving out a personal loan it is very likely not to get your money back.
However, if you have collateral you significiantly lower the risk of default. Yes you might have some risk (like the collateral is not good enough in case of forced liquidation) or the service operator will go to bankcrupt (like Gox did with btc).

How does it work with the collateral in Poloniex ? is it possible to have one but get a lower interest rate (I don't have account there and lending would be the only reason)? thanks for the help.

https://poloniex.com/support/aboutMarginTrading/

sandiman

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Quote from: TrueCryptonaire on April 20, 2016, 10:05:14 AM

Quote from: sandiman on April 20, 2016, 05:35:21 AM

Is it really risky to loan XMR (or other cryptocurrencies) ? how likely is it that someone won't pay you back?

If you have no collateral and you are giving out a personal loan it is very likely not to get your money back.
However, if you have collateral you significiantly lower the risk of default. Yes you might have some risk (like the collateral is not good enough in case of forced liquidation) or the service operator will go to bankcrupt (like Gox did with btc).

How does it work with the collateral in Poloniex ? is it possible to have one but get a lower interest rate (I don't have account there and lending would be the only reason)? thanks for the help.

ArticMine

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Monero Core Team

Quote from: TPTB_need_war on April 20, 2016, 07:23:08 AM

Quote from: TPTB_need_war on April 19, 2016, 06:18:15 PM

As far as I can see, Monero has not solved the Tragedy of the Commons in Satoshi's design. I reiterated my rebuttal to ArticMine:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14599446

Clarification:

...

I have responded to this in the Monero Technical Improvement thread https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14610651

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Quote from: kurious on April 20, 2016, 03:06:37 PM

Quote from: Monerobuyer0 on April 20, 2016, 02:58:52 PM

Are the whales that sold ready to get back into XMR yet? Or are they going to let the community shrink back to what it was in January first?

Wait and see...

It looks to me like they want everyone to quit Monero except the people who have been hodling for 2 years already.

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Quote from: dEBRUYNE on April 20, 2016, 03:09:16 PM

This is kind of scary if it would materialize:

https://petertodd.org/2016/mit-chainanchor-bribing-miners-to-regulate-bitcoin

Predicted by dnaleor almost a year ago already:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/374ss5/the_problem_with_bitcoin_that_everyone_seems_to/

But, but..."only terrorists, drug users, criminals, and pedophiles care about anonymity!"

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This is kind of scary if it would materialize:

https://petertodd.org/2016/mit-chainanchor-bribing-miners-to-regulate-bitcoin

Predicted by dnaleor almost a year ago already:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/374ss5/the_problem_with_bitcoin_that_everyone_seems_to/

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Quote from: Monerobuyer0 on April 20, 2016, 02:58:52 PM

Are the whales that sold ready to get back into XMR yet? Or are they going to let the community shrink back to what it was in January first?

Wait and see...

Monerobuyer0

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Are the whales that sold ready to get back into XMR yet? Or are they going to let the community shrink back to what it was in January first?

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Quote from: Monerobuyer0 on April 20, 2016, 01:42:11 PM

Quote from: inca on April 20, 2016, 12:01:02 PM

It will be fascinating to see how xmr reacts to a bitcoin price bubble. Just staying in the 0.002 - 0.003 range will be a great result if bitcoin doubles here.

The super bull outcome would be a repeat of 2013 with selected alts bubbling with bitcoin surge. Not impossible to see xmr either crater here or go up 10x (and still have a tiny market cap). All depends on the mini whales pulling the strings

Given that a 2% bitcoin rise apparently causes -13% or worse in monero, it seems that a bitcoin rally will cause Monero to go to negative values.

I will accept 100 Monero from you for every Bitcoin you give me.

Deal of the century, don't miss out!

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Quote from: Monerobuyer0 on April 20, 2016, 01:42:11 PM

Quote from: inca on April 20, 2016, 12:01:02 PM

It will be fascinating to see how xmr reacts to a bitcoin price bubble. Just staying in the 0.002 - 0.003 range will be a great result if bitcoin doubles here.

The super bull outcome would be a repeat of 2013 with selected alts bubbling with bitcoin surge. Not impossible to see xmr either crater here or go up 10x (and still have a tiny market cap). All depends on the mini whales pulling the strings

Given that a 2% bitcoin rise apparently causes -13% or worse in monero, it seems that a bitcoin rally will cause Monero to go to negative values.

Sample set range?

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Quote from: inca on April 20, 2016, 12:01:02 PM

It will be fascinating to see how xmr reacts to a bitcoin price bubble. Just staying in the 0.002 - 0.003 range will be a great result if bitcoin doubles here.

The super bull outcome would be a repeat of 2013 with selected alts bubbling with bitcoin surge. Not impossible to see xmr either crater here or go up 10x (and still have a tiny market cap). All depends on the mini whales pulling the strings

Given that a 2% bitcoin rise apparently causes -13% or worse in monero, it seems that a bitcoin rally will cause Monero to go to negative values.

TPTB_need_war

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This may or may not apply to crypto-currency:

Quote from: TPTB_need_war on April 20, 2016, 01:32:54 PM

Quote from: TPTB_need_war on April 20, 2016, 01:30:45 PM

The deadcat bounces are almost done. Prepare for the (more and more likely) fakeout crash V bottom slingshot:

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/armstrongeconomics101/basic-concepts/central-banks-are-trapped-higher-interest-rates-the-only-answer/

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It will be fascinating to see how xmr reacts to a bitcoin price bubble. Just staying in the 0.002 - 0.003 range will be a great result if bitcoin doubles here.

The super bull outcome would be a repeat of 2013 with selected alts bubbling with bitcoin surge. Not impossible to see xmr either crater here or go up 10x (and still have a tiny market cap). All depends on the mini whales pulling the strings

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Quote from: TrueCryptonaire on April 20, 2016, 10:25:58 AM

Probably whales are hunting now for the coins of smaller fish species.

Yea, but I'm pretty sure you are wrong on which coin they want.

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Probably whales are hunting now for the coins of smaller fish species.

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Quote from: dEBRUYNE on April 20, 2016, 09:20:01 AM

Quote from: Dotto on April 19, 2016, 09:05:15 PM

I love when the plan comes together

Quote from: Dotto on April 19, 2016, 05:47:23 AM

Quote from: Dotto on April 18, 2016, 05:08:28 AM

[...] neutral to bulliesque sentiment. I can see it toping at around 27k to test back 20k after for a very short span

So far so good. Not so sure now if 27k is the top or we can enter 28-30k territory. Whatever a retest to 23k or lower seems quite plausible before resume the minirally

Impressed for the fast recovery, even with the BTC wanting to rally in parallel. Still thinking in another 23k retest and recover to 26 as baseline

Congratulations on the call. Though it is worth mentioning that the drop was, alas, (again) done by one single entity.

Who may well be Dotto..

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Quote from: sandiman on April 20, 2016, 05:35:21 AM

Is it really risky to loan XMR (or other cryptocurrencies) ? how likely is it that someone won't pay you back?

If you have no collateral and you are giving out a personal loan it is very likely not to get your money back.
However, if you have collateral you significiantly lower the risk of default. Yes you might have some risk (like the collateral is not good enough in case of forced liquidation) or the service operator will go to bankcrupt (like Gox did with btc).

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