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Topic: [XMR] Monero Speculation - page 1533. (Read 3313576 times)

legendary
Activity: 1260
Merit: 1116
February 19, 2016, 09:18:27 PM
Are these projects related?

Is Moneta one of the private companies working with Blockstream?

"To my mind, Zerocoin and Zerocash are the low-hanging fruit of sidechains. Just transfer your bitcoin to a sidechain that implements one of those protocols, and voila, instant Bitcoin anonymity; you can send or receive money while maintaining mathematically perfect privacy."


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The vision of the Moneta project is to help significantly advance Bitcoin technology as a sidechain. As a sidechain, we want to help people realize that it’s possible to make Bitcoin lightning-fast, far more private, and far more scalable. For example, people often think that Bitcoin is limited to 7 transactions per second and can never compete with Visa. With some changes to the protocol, we can increase that number one-hundred fold. Also, with increased scalability comes decreased transaction fees. Think of all the new marketplaces and behaviors that can arise if we can decrease Bitcoin’s transaction fees from the magnitude of cents to the magnitude of hundredths of a cent … We hope to convey that Bitcoin’s underlying protocol can in fact be advanced significantly — not just marginal improvements, but 10x or 100x improvements.



Is it associated with XMR in anyway?



No, and watch out for these guys (Moneta). Same guys as:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/zerovert-first-truly-only-anonymous-coin-with-zerocoin-mandatory-upgrade-846471

&

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=391031

This looks to be an actual privacy-centric side chain project, not an altcoin. Unless you have evidence to the contrary.

How come we can't just make XMR the privacy side chain? Some technical reason?

[1] https://news.bitcoin.com/first-implementation-zerocoin-released-introducing-moneta/, enough evidence in that article.

[2] If we make XMR the privacy sidechain we inheret Bitcoin's security model as well. In addition, I am not entirely sure if there are already viable methods available to secure the sidechain itself.

Moneta has Roger Ver as an angel investor. Blockstream has $60mil+ to develop side chain technology. If it isn't XMR it'll be someone else I should think.
legendary
Activity: 2268
Merit: 1141
February 19, 2016, 09:13:08 PM
...

This is my new favorite blanket question to whenever Bitcoin maximalists say things like...  
  
  • SIDECHAINS!
  • LIGHTNING NETWORK!
  • PRIVATE ADDRESSES!
  • MAGMA BLASTS!
  • ICE CRYSTALS!

...are going to make Monero obselete.  It's the "Satoshi's Coin's Test".  Will this let Satoshi move his coins without anyone knowing?  If the answer is no, I'm happy for you, but leave me alone.

There is actually a even simpler answer to the above: 1 MB blocksize limit.

Even if that gets raised, 32 MB message limit.
legendary
Activity: 2282
Merit: 1050
Monero Core Team
February 19, 2016, 09:11:56 PM
...

This is my new favorite blanket question to whenever Bitcoin maximalists say things like...  
  
  • SIDECHAINS!
  • LIGHTNING NETWORK!
  • PRIVATE ADDRESSES!
  • MAGMA BLASTS!
  • ICE CRYSTALS!

...are going to make Monero obselete.  It's the "Satoshi's Coin's Test".  Will this let Satoshi move his coins without anyone knowing?  If the answer is no, I'm happy for you, but leave me alone.

There is actually a even simpler answer to the above: 1 MB blocksize limit.
hero member
Activity: 770
Merit: 504
February 19, 2016, 09:00:01 PM

Well it was still a good question. Did he get a good answer?

This is my new favorite blanket question to whenever Bitcoin maximalists say things like...  
  
  • SIDECHAINS!
  • LIGHTNING NETWORK!
  • PRIVATE ADDRESSES!
  • MAGMA BLASTS!
  • ICE CRYSTALS!

...are going to make Monero obselete.  It's the "Satoshi's Coin's Test".  Will this let Satoshi move his coins without anyone knowing?  If the answer is no, I'm happy for you, but leave me alone.
legendary
Activity: 2268
Merit: 1141
February 19, 2016, 08:58:28 PM
Are these projects related?

Is Moneta one of the private companies working with Blockstream?

"To my mind, Zerocoin and Zerocash are the low-hanging fruit of sidechains. Just transfer your bitcoin to a sidechain that implements one of those protocols, and voila, instant Bitcoin anonymity; you can send or receive money while maintaining mathematically perfect privacy."


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The vision of the Moneta project is to help significantly advance Bitcoin technology as a sidechain. As a sidechain, we want to help people realize that it’s possible to make Bitcoin lightning-fast, far more private, and far more scalable. For example, people often think that Bitcoin is limited to 7 transactions per second and can never compete with Visa. With some changes to the protocol, we can increase that number one-hundred fold. Also, with increased scalability comes decreased transaction fees. Think of all the new marketplaces and behaviors that can arise if we can decrease Bitcoin’s transaction fees from the magnitude of cents to the magnitude of hundredths of a cent … We hope to convey that Bitcoin’s underlying protocol can in fact be advanced significantly — not just marginal improvements, but 10x or 100x improvements.



Is it associated with XMR in anyway?



No, and watch out for these guys (Moneta). Same guys as:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/zerovert-first-truly-only-anonymous-coin-with-zerocoin-mandatory-upgrade-846471

&

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=391031

This looks to be an actual privacy-centric side chain project, not an altcoin. Unless you have evidence to the contrary.

How come we can't just make XMR the privacy side chain? Some technical reason?

[1] https://news.bitcoin.com/first-implementation-zerocoin-released-introducing-moneta/, enough evidence in that article.

[2] If we make XMR the privacy sidechain we inheret Bitcoin's security model as well. In addition, I am not entirely sure if there are already viable methods available to secure the sidechain itself.
legendary
Activity: 2282
Merit: 1050
Monero Core Team
February 19, 2016, 08:50:00 PM
I think we are gonna hit a new high soon but I wish we tanked for awhile until that wall douchbag dumps. I won't be buying for awhile.

If the wall douchbag was actually serious about selling the wall would have been left in one place instead of the constant movement. The use of large sell walls to buy is a tactic that only works if the wall creator can convince the market that there is a real intention to sell otherwise it is just a bluff. It can also fail to a large long term investor who sees this as an opportunity to obtain a large position with minimal slippage,.
legendary
Activity: 3836
Merit: 4969
Doomed to see the future and unable to prevent it
February 19, 2016, 08:12:03 PM
I think we are gonna hit a new high soon but I wish we tanked for awhile until that wall douchbag dumps. I won't be buying for awhile.
legendary
Activity: 1260
Merit: 1116
February 19, 2016, 07:52:18 PM
Are these projects related?

Is Moneta one of the private companies working with Blockstream?

"To my mind, Zerocoin and Zerocash are the low-hanging fruit of sidechains. Just transfer your bitcoin to a sidechain that implements one of those protocols, and voila, instant Bitcoin anonymity; you can send or receive money while maintaining mathematically perfect privacy."


Quote
The vision of the Moneta project is to help significantly advance Bitcoin technology as a sidechain. As a sidechain, we want to help people realize that it’s possible to make Bitcoin lightning-fast, far more private, and far more scalable. For example, people often think that Bitcoin is limited to 7 transactions per second and can never compete with Visa. With some changes to the protocol, we can increase that number one-hundred fold. Also, with increased scalability comes decreased transaction fees. Think of all the new marketplaces and behaviors that can arise if we can decrease Bitcoin’s transaction fees from the magnitude of cents to the magnitude of hundredths of a cent … We hope to convey that Bitcoin’s underlying protocol can in fact be advanced significantly — not just marginal improvements, but 10x or 100x improvements.



Is it associated with XMR in anyway?



No, and watch out for these guys (Moneta). Same guys as:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/zerovert-first-truly-only-anonymous-coin-with-zerocoin-mandatory-upgrade-846471

&

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=391031

This looks to be an actual privacy-centric side chain project, not an altcoin. Unless you have evidence to the contrary.

How come we can't just make XMR the privacy side chain? Some technical reason?
hero member
Activity: 681
Merit: 507
February 19, 2016, 07:44:28 PM
Maybe to earlier to get excited again but imo it was bullish signal on 4h ema50 and cross of ma15d x ma200d with possible golden cross as mentioned before.
Interesting weekend ahead :-)
hero member
Activity: 770
Merit: 504
February 19, 2016, 07:25:46 PM

The 4h MACD is bound to flip and major resistance is at 235k-246k, whereas major support is at 165-170k. It is probably too soon to say anything, but it's nice to see volume building up again.

I get the most peculiar feeling that we may see 0.00255 in the next 10 days.
legendary
Activity: 2268
Merit: 1141
February 19, 2016, 07:21:43 PM
Are these projects related?

Is Moneta one of the private companies working with Blockstream?

"To my mind, Zerocoin and Zerocash are the low-hanging fruit of sidechains. Just transfer your bitcoin to a sidechain that implements one of those protocols, and voila, instant Bitcoin anonymity; you can send or receive money while maintaining mathematically perfect privacy."


Quote
The vision of the Moneta project is to help significantly advance Bitcoin technology as a sidechain. As a sidechain, we want to help people realize that it’s possible to make Bitcoin lightning-fast, far more private, and far more scalable. For example, people often think that Bitcoin is limited to 7 transactions per second and can never compete with Visa. With some changes to the protocol, we can increase that number one-hundred fold. Also, with increased scalability comes decreased transaction fees. Think of all the new marketplaces and behaviors that can arise if we can decrease Bitcoin’s transaction fees from the magnitude of cents to the magnitude of hundredths of a cent … We hope to convey that Bitcoin’s underlying protocol can in fact be advanced significantly — not just marginal improvements, but 10x or 100x improvements.



Is it associated with XMR in anyway?



No, and watch out for these guys (Moneta). Same guys as:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/zerovert-first-truly-only-anonymous-coin-with-zerocoin-mandatory-upgrade-846471

&

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=391031
legendary
Activity: 1260
Merit: 1116
February 19, 2016, 07:17:03 PM
Are these projects related?

Is Moneta one of the private companies working with Blockstream?

"To my mind, Zerocoin and Zerocash are the low-hanging fruit of sidechains. Just transfer your bitcoin to a sidechain that implements one of those protocols, and voila, instant Bitcoin anonymity; you can send or receive money while maintaining mathematically perfect privacy."


Quote
The vision of the Moneta project is to help significantly advance Bitcoin technology as a sidechain. As a sidechain, we want to help people realize that it’s possible to make Bitcoin lightning-fast, far more private, and far more scalable. For example, people often think that Bitcoin is limited to 7 transactions per second and can never compete with Visa. With some changes to the protocol, we can increase that number one-hundred fold. Also, with increased scalability comes decreased transaction fees. Think of all the new marketplaces and behaviors that can arise if we can decrease Bitcoin’s transaction fees from the magnitude of cents to the magnitude of hundredths of a cent … We hope to convey that Bitcoin’s underlying protocol can in fact be advanced significantly — not just marginal improvements, but 10x or 100x improvements.



Is it associated with XMR in any way?

legendary
Activity: 2268
Merit: 1141
February 19, 2016, 07:01:11 PM
I almost hate to say something for fear of jinx'ing it, but it looks like we may entering another period of explosive green candles on strong volume?  Or is this just a bull trap?



The 4h MACD is bound to flip and major resistance is at 235k-246k, whereas major support is at 165-170k. It is probably too soon to say anything, but it's nice to see volume building up again.
hero member
Activity: 770
Merit: 504
February 19, 2016, 06:58:23 PM
I almost hate to say something for fear of jinx'ing it, but it looks like we may entering another period of explosive green candles on strong volume?  Or is this just a bull trap?

legendary
Activity: 1624
Merit: 1008
February 19, 2016, 06:53:53 PM
FYI: The whale wall moved onto 400k.

When the wall was moving between 180 and 200 there were also walls at both 400 and 399.  I don't see the one at 400 now(only 8882 XMR) but the 75K XMR one at 399 is still there.

Going up Smiley  Last couple of days were good Cool

Next month is going to be another good one for Monero.
legendary
Activity: 2268
Merit: 1141
February 19, 2016, 06:37:38 PM
I thought cash was fungible, dammit: http://en.eurobilltracker.com/index.php

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EuroBillTracker (EBT) is an international non-profit volunteer project dedicated to tracking Euro notes around the world.

It is. It's enforced by law, therefore it's fungible.
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