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Topic: [XMR] Monero Speculation - page 1644. (Read 3313576 times)

legendary
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Sine secretum non libertas
November 12, 2015, 02:52:57 PM
...monkey thinks XBTUSD is going to trend up for a couple of hours, so XMRBTC should see a low before midnight GMT before continuing up as XBTUSD resumes a downtrend.

EDIT:  As he often does intraday XBT, monkey just changed his mind and is now bearish XBTUSD intraday.  I should just give up on his intraday crypto calls for good and all.

He flipped again shortly thereafter, and stuck with it, so his bearish turn was very short-lived, and his more consistent bullish bent proved fairly predictive overall.  I could wish he were more decisive, but not at the expense of predictive F1. The consequences for XMRBTC were as expected.

I would note that XMRUSD is now at the lower end of its recent range, and hence it might be a good time to add moneros if you are using dollars - certainly if you are using euros, i would waste no time!



Edit: That was true.  It is no longer true:  XMRUSD is now toward the upper end of its recent range.  It is not a very wide range (so it probably won't last very long). Here's hoping you got while the getting was cheap.

  It is still cheap in btc terms, however.
newbie
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November 11, 2015, 07:48:17 PM
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mom's bassement?  Grin Grin Grin

Isis goes hard.*
legendary
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LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
November 11, 2015, 04:39:03 PM
Don't you understand? None of that will matter in a crypto currency based economy.

The only reason you need to deal with fiat now is because few accept crypto, and none pay crypto.

Think beyond 10 years. Think beyond 20.


A crypto currency based economy would still not be exempt from all laws. And if laws can't be imposed it will be illegal. And if it is illegal then you will see no 'crypto currency based economy'. Wake up.

You do realize that a cryptocurrency based economy can exist over borders and circumvent through government laws right?



This statement is dumb for so many reasons. There is a clear difference between circumvent and avoid. Don't you get that?

Any time you want to make significant purchase in real-life with your anon currency you are fucked. But by all means you can avoid that by living in your mothers basement.

Oh noes looky we have a troll that likes to sling personal insults around.

 Tongue

Try harder please because your attempts to get under my skin aren't working.  Kiss

Newbie account with a similar name to a guy who used to pump shit coins all the time on different exchanges.

BTW you never said the word "avoid" so not sure where you are getting that? Did you pull that out of your mom's bassement?  Grin Grin Grin


On topic: If you guys get a chance take a look at the Daniel J Burnstein video where he explains elliptic curve crypto and how it works and what pitfalls to look out for.
legendary
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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
November 11, 2015, 04:36:24 PM
A government will "let an anonymous currency get traction in their country" in order to forestall a revolution and ensuing regime change.

In Wences Casares' scenario, the first country to defect from the petro-dollar world order and adopt crypto is one that has *ALREADY* been damaged beyond repair by fiat and central banking.

By taking a chance on crypto e-cash, a devastated basket-case economy like Bolivia, Haiti, Ukraine, Venezuela, or Argentina has nothing to lose and everything to gain.

Once a national currency offers/approximates the safe harbor guarantees of Bitcoin/Monero, others will fall in line like dominoes as Gresham's Law penalizes late movers and lavishly rewards first defectors.

A country won't make bitcoin the official currency if they have no control over the cryptocurrency. At best, they'll just say "people can use whatever currency they want" and the USD or EUR will become the de facto currency.

How do you know that?  Crystal ball or psychic hotline to Ms Cleo?   Cheesy

You don't know what a country will or will not do, especially when in the throes of mass social unrest following economic collapse.

.gov JBTs can always tax real estate and other illiquid fixed assets.  They'd rather give up some control (and keep their cushy phony-baloney jobs) than lose all control (and be swiftly hung from the nearest lamppost).

The point of making cryto official is that the politicians and central bankers of that country are *RENOUNCING* their prerogative to interfere with the free market.  That's what would trigger a surge of capital inflow, and encourage other impoverished jurisdictions to emulate their example sooner rather than later.

You think Satoshi didn't think through and plan for the beginning of the fiat endgame before he published the Genesis Block?

All these incentive structures were war-gamed decades ago, long before Nakamoto Consensus solved/worked around the BGP and turned theory into practice.

Bitcoin and Monero were created to shape the battlespace in our favor....   Cool
hero member
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21 million. I want them all.
November 11, 2015, 04:00:11 PM
Don't you understand? None of that will matter in a crypto currency based economy.

The only reason you need to deal with fiat now is because few accept crypto, and none pay crypto.

Think beyond 10 years. Think beyond 20.


A crypto currency based economy would still not be exempt from all laws. And if laws can't be imposed it will be illegal. And if it is illegal then you will see no 'crypto currency based economy'. Wake up.

governments are not almighty.
they havent forbidden cash (ok some are trying to limit it)
they havent forbidden gold

as soon as an economy is using it, they want to tax it - and not forbid it

In your utopia, do you honestly think governments are going to let a anonymous currency get traction in their country so it has the possibility of hurting the nations economy? Just because "they want to tax it"?

And don't give me that bullshit about cash because it is issued by governments.

A government will "let an anonymous currency get traction in their country" in order to forestall a revolution and ensuing regime change.

In Wences Casares' scenario, the first country to defect from the petro-dollar world order and adopt crypto is one that has *ALREADY* been damaged beyond repair by fiat and central banking.

By taking a chance on crypto e-cash, a devastated basket-case economy like Bolivia, Haiti, Ukraine, Venezuela, or Argentina has nothing to lose and everything to gain.

Once a national currency offers/approximates the safe harbor guarantees of Bitcoin/Monero, others will fall in line like dominoes as Gresham's Law penalizes late movers and lavishly rewards first defectors.

A country won't make bitcoin the official currency if they have no control over the cryptocurrency. At best, they'll just say "people can use whatever currency they want" and the USD or EUR will become the de facto currency.
legendary
Activity: 2156
Merit: 1072
Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
November 11, 2015, 03:55:14 PM
Don't you understand? None of that will matter in a crypto currency based economy.

The only reason you need to deal with fiat now is because few accept crypto, and none pay crypto.

Think beyond 10 years. Think beyond 20.


A crypto currency based economy would still not be exempt from all laws. And if laws can't be imposed it will be illegal. And if it is illegal then you will see no 'crypto currency based economy'. Wake up.

governments are not almighty.
they havent forbidden cash (ok some are trying to limit it)
they havent forbidden gold

as soon as an economy is using it, they want to tax it - and not forbid it

In your utopia, do you honestly think governments are going to let a anonymous currency get traction in their country so it has the possibility of hurting the nations economy? Just because "they want to tax it"?

And don't give me that bullshit about cash because it is issued by governments.

A government will "let an anonymous currency get traction in their country" in order to forestall a revolution and ensuing regime change.

In Wences Casares' scenario, the first country to defect from the petro-dollar world order and adopt crypto is one that has *ALREADY* been damaged beyond repair by fiat and central banking.

By taking a chance on crypto e-cash, a devastated basket-case economy like Bolivia, Haiti, Ukraine, Venezuela, or Argentina has nothing to lose and everything to gain.

Once a national currency offers/approximates the safe harbor guarantees of Bitcoin/Monero, others will fall in line like dominoes as Gresham's Law penalizes late movers and lavishly rewards first defectors.
legendary
Activity: 2268
Merit: 1141
November 11, 2015, 02:03:38 PM
The mini sell bot has now been on for 3-4 days again as the price steadily climbs.  I think it's been ~3 days but my memory has recently been downgraded to only 2 categories.  It either happened or it didn't. Tongue  

Some hardfork code was just merged into master.

MoneroMooo's funding request is now live!
https://forum.getmonero.org/8/funding-required/2410/a-continuation-for-all-purpose-programming-of-what-needs-to-get-done-in-monero

It took a little breather last night, but it seems like it's on again. Anyway, it's not selling that aggressively (approximately 5 XMR per minute) so I don't mind. Rather this than those large dumps.

5 XMR per minute if continuous is a pretty good clip. That's more than half of the mining rate.



Agree, but it could very well be that he/she/it accumulated this earlier and is just selling off now. Furthermore, I've only seen it active twice now this week and haven't seen it active before that.
legendary
Activity: 2968
Merit: 1198
November 11, 2015, 01:53:36 PM
The mini sell bot has now been on for 3-4 days again as the price steadily climbs.  I think it's been ~3 days but my memory has recently been downgraded to only 2 categories.  It either happened or it didn't. Tongue 

Some hardfork code was just merged into master.

MoneroMooo's funding request is now live!
https://forum.getmonero.org/8/funding-required/2410/a-continuation-for-all-purpose-programming-of-what-needs-to-get-done-in-monero

It took a little breather last night, but it seems like it's on again. Anyway, it's not selling that aggressively (approximately 5 XMR per minute) so I don't mind. Rather this than those large dumps.

5 XMR per minute if continuous is a pretty good clip. That's more than half of the mining rate.

legendary
Activity: 1762
Merit: 1011
November 11, 2015, 01:51:30 PM
Is there a way to top up without going via BTC ?

CNY on BTER

OTC for some sort of fiat (or non-BTC crypto) payment

EDIT: Poloniex XMR pairs, including vs. USDT. (Thanks macsga, I forgot those.)

If you want to buy a fixed USD amount of moneroj, one option that I've been considering is using Circle's USD-denominated account feature to send a USD amount of bitcoins to Shapeshift, that way I don't ever have to think about the price in bitcoins.  The drawback with doing it this way is that you aren't requesting a specific amount of moneroj on Shapeshift, so you aren't going to get the best exchange rate that they offer.
legendary
Activity: 2268
Merit: 1141
November 11, 2015, 01:38:25 PM
The mini sell bot has now been on for 3-4 days again as the price steadily climbs.  I think it's been ~3 days but my memory has recently been downgraded to only 2 categories.  It either happened or it didn't. Tongue 

Some hardfork code was just merged into master.

MoneroMooo's funding request is now live!
https://forum.getmonero.org/8/funding-required/2410/a-continuation-for-all-purpose-programming-of-what-needs-to-get-done-in-monero

It took a little breather last night, but it seems like it's on again. Anyway, it's not selling that aggressively (approximately 5 XMR per minute) so I don't mind. Rather this than those large dumps.
legendary
Activity: 1596
Merit: 1030
Sine secretum non libertas
November 11, 2015, 01:26:07 PM
There is simply no way to prevent transactions in XMR unless you ban un-escrowed crypto.  That may happen in places like Russia or Saudi Arabia, but steganographic overlay networks will provide the facility for those who care about it.

Anyhow, there are still some effective constitutional protections and substantial political support for crypto in most of the world, so "governments will stop it" is just FUD, until that changes.

A greater concern is that "Fontas." is militating against the value of XMR.  This suggests someone may be accumulating for a pump-and-dump.  I sincerely hope they fail as badly as I expect them to fail.  Beware, pumpers:  XMR is the anti-ponzi.

In other news, I just started to like PMs.  It's a good point to start accumulating a long wheat position again.  Oil should continue down for a week.  China is the brightest spot in equities right now, remarkably, for the coming week.

Oh, and monkey thinks XBTUSD is going to trend up for a couple of hours, so XMRBTC should see a low before midnight GMT before continuing up as XBTUSD resumes a downtrend.

EDIT:  As he often does intraday XBT, monkey just changed his mind and is now bearish XBTUSD intraday.  I should just give up on his intraday crypto calls for good and all.

legendary
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Free spirit
November 11, 2015, 01:09:37 PM
Don't you understand? None of that will matter in a crypto currency based economy.

The only reason you need to deal with fiat now is because few accept crypto, and none pay crypto.

Think beyond 10 years. Think beyond 20.


A crypto currency based economy would still not be exempt from all laws. And if laws can't be imposed it will be illegal. And if it is illegal then you will see no 'crypto currency based economy'. Wake up.

You do realize that a cryptocurrency based economy can exist over borders and circumvent through government laws right?



This statement is dumb for so many reasons. There is a clear difference between circumvent and avoid. Don't you get that?

Any time you want to make significant purchase in real-life with your anon currency you are fucked. But by all means you can avoid that by living in your mothers basement.

all in all, semi-valid points, mainly if it was possible to turn off the internet.

ultimately though, i speculate that governments will allow this type of tech to persist the same reason they do many things - big corporations / banks will force them to. Once the business / banking world gets over their daydream of permissioned blockchains, they will realize the power of the decentralized ledger provided by cryptocurrencies. Due to its current size, they will first investigate bitcoin, then they will realize the inherent flaws of a transparent ledger, and hopefully by that time Monero is chugging along nicely and these companies will go "hello" and Monero will go "would you like some ring signatures?" and they will live happily ever after.



Also the cost of "doing something about it" from a gov point of view. I work in the sector and there is not infinite funds. It has to be chosen what to do and scrutinised to the nth degree for clear and proportionate benefits.
legendary
Activity: 1624
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November 11, 2015, 12:07:21 PM
The mini sell bot has now been on for 3-4 days again as the price steadily climbs.  I think it's been ~3 days but my memory has recently been downgraded to only 2 categories.  It either happened or it didn't. Tongue 

Some hardfork code was just merged into master.

MoneroMooo's funding request is now live!
https://forum.getmonero.org/8/funding-required/2410/a-continuation-for-all-purpose-programming-of-what-needs-to-get-done-in-monero
legendary
Activity: 1260
Merit: 1008
November 11, 2015, 07:17:20 AM
Don't you understand? None of that will matter in a crypto currency based economy.

The only reason you need to deal with fiat now is because few accept crypto, and none pay crypto.

Think beyond 10 years. Think beyond 20.


A crypto currency based economy would still not be exempt from all laws. And if laws can't be imposed it will be illegal. And if it is illegal then you will see no 'crypto currency based economy'. Wake up.

You do realize that a cryptocurrency based economy can exist over borders and circumvent through government laws right?



This statement is dumb for so many reasons. There is a clear difference between circumvent and avoid. Don't you get that?

Any time you want to make significant purchase in real-life with your anon currency you are fucked. But by all means you can avoid that by living in your mothers basement.

all in all, semi-valid points, mainly if it was possible to turn off the internet.

ultimately though, i speculate that governments will allow this type of tech to persist the same reason they do many things - big corporations / banks will force them to. Once the business / banking world gets over their daydream of permissioned blockchains, they will realize the power of the decentralized ledger provided by cryptocurrencies. Due to its current size, they will first investigate bitcoin, then they will realize the inherent flaws of a transparent ledger, and hopefully by that time Monero is chugging along nicely and these companies will go "hello" and Monero will go "would you like some ring signatures?" and they will live happily ever after.

newbie
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November 11, 2015, 07:11:21 AM
Don't you understand? None of that will matter in a crypto currency based economy.

The only reason you need to deal with fiat now is because few accept crypto, and none pay crypto.

Think beyond 10 years. Think beyond 20.


A crypto currency based economy would still not be exempt from all laws. And if laws can't be imposed it will be illegal. And if it is illegal then you will see no 'crypto currency based economy'. Wake up.

You do realize that a cryptocurrency based economy can exist over borders and circumvent through government laws right?



This statement is dumb for so many reasons. There is a clear difference between circumvent and avoid. Don't you get that?

Any time you want to make significant purchase in real-life with your anon currency you are fucked. But by all means you can avoid that by living in your mothers basement.
newbie
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Merit: 0
November 11, 2015, 06:55:56 AM
Oh yeah? How do they regulate in-person transactions or better yet P2P trades?

 Roll Eyes

Perhaps you should go back to your pump party where you pump the crap out of actual crap coins. In fact go pump dash so it can fall just that much harder in the end.

Thanks  Grin

Take some time and think about the possibilites of that. No it's not necessarily about the transactions themselves.

I pump shitcoins fully aware that they are indeed shitcoins. Those who do not realize that are the real losers while pros like myself cash out. Then you can sit around and talk about unrealistic crap and how you "don't care about the price anyway".

Works out just fine for both of us.
newbie
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November 11, 2015, 06:46:58 AM
Don't you understand? None of that will matter in a crypto currency based economy.

The only reason you need to deal with fiat now is because few accept crypto, and none pay crypto.

Think beyond 10 years. Think beyond 20.


A crypto currency based economy would still not be exempt from all laws. And if laws can't be imposed it will be illegal. And if it is illegal then you will see no 'crypto currency based economy'. Wake up.

governments are not almighty.
they havent forbidden cash (ok some are trying to limit it)
they havent forbidden gold

as soon as an economy is using it, they want to tax it - and not forbid it

In your utopia, do you honestly think governments are going to let a anonymous currency get traction in their country so it has the possibility of hurting the nations economy? Just because "they want to tax it"?

And don't give me that bullshit about cash because it is issued by governments.


sr. member
Activity: 280
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November 11, 2015, 06:39:03 AM
It's fair to say that a major source of the power of fiat, is that governments only accept their own fiat currency for the payment of taxes. In the short/medium term I see XMR as like a digital version of physical gold. Long term, who knows.

On another note, it's 10 million day today folks.  Cool
legendary
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LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
November 11, 2015, 04:38:16 AM
Don't you understand? None of that will matter in a crypto currency based economy.

The only reason you need to deal with fiat now is because few accept crypto, and none pay crypto.

Think beyond 10 years. Think beyond 20.


A crypto currency based economy would still not be exempt from all laws. And if laws can't be imposed it will be illegal. And if it is illegal then you will see no 'crypto currency based economy'. Wake up.

You do realize that a cryptocurrency based economy can exist over borders and circumvent through government laws right?

legendary
Activity: 2492
Merit: 1491
LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
November 11, 2015, 04:33:20 AM
Reality check.


No matter how far anon tech goes the government can still fuck you if they want. Anon coins will never be legal tender so you will need to put fiat in and out and explain where that came from. Governments can't decrypt the tech but they can still control every place where you can exchange $ to BTC.


And also it's terrible for speculation as no serious trader would touch this stinky shit.



It's some form of fucked up dream-world you've made up for yourselves where you can talk about privacy and freedom trading nickels where the other libertarian sharing your views across the board will fuck you for a foot long sandwich.

Oh yeah? How do they regulate in-person transactions or better yet P2P trades?

 Roll Eyes

Perhaps you should go back to your pump party where you pump the crap out of actual crap coins. In fact go pump dash so it can fall just that much harder in the end.

Thanks  Grin
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