Author

Topic: [XMR] Monero Speculation - page 1648. (Read 3313576 times)

sr. member
Activity: 392
Merit: 250
November 08, 2015, 03:08:01 AM
I have a BTC -> XMR service ready to go. Soon you will not need to use Shapeshift.io. I anticipate the launch to be within the next 2 weeks.

Prepare for Monerizer.

That would be nice. Planning also onion version of it?
sr. member
Activity: 392
Merit: 250
November 08, 2015, 03:06:50 AM
This is cross posting this from reddit from AP:

https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/imf-director-tells-banks-do-not-worry-about-bitcoin-blockchain/

IMF Director says:

Quote
If those new technologies and as long as those new technologies are going to abuse, take advantage of, the yield for anonymity, I think the banking industry has quite a few good days ahead of it as long as it takes ownership of those issues of capital and culture in order to actually restore the trust without which you see no trade no transaction no business can take place.

I'm still trying to wrap my mind around what she is saying.

Is she saying "Because bitcoin is transparent, not to worry about it"?

Are the stars aligning for Monero?

Dont understand what she saying. Her other quote is also good:-)

Quote
Many of you have heard about not only bitcoins but blockchains and that unbelievable technology that underlies the Bitcoins of this world at the moment, and how incredibly convenient it will be to actually generate trust and identify players and whatever pseudo they decide to use.

Identify who? bitcoin users, or bitcoin creator(s)?
legendary
Activity: 2492
Merit: 1491
LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
November 08, 2015, 02:22:11 AM
This is cross posting this from reddit from AP:

https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/imf-director-tells-banks-do-not-worry-about-bitcoin-blockchain/

IMF Director says:

Quote
If those new technologies and as long as those new technologies are going to abuse, take advantage of, the yield for anonymity, I think the banking industry has quite a few good days ahead of it as long as it takes ownership of those issues of capital and culture in order to actually restore the trust without which you see no trade no transaction no business can take place.

I'm still trying to wrap my mind around what she is saying.

Is she saying "Because bitcoin is transparent, not to worry about it"?

Are the stars aligning for Monero?
donator
Activity: 1736
Merit: 1014
Let's talk governance, lipstick, and pigs.
November 08, 2015, 12:09:12 AM
I have a BTC -> XMR service ready to go. Soon you will not need to use Shapeshift.io. I anticipate the launch to be within the next 2 weeks.

Prepare for Monerizer.
If XMR is so great, then why would anyone trade them for bitcoins?

Wasn't the point of the service  but thats exacty xmr.to

The answer is to pay for things that take btc and anonymously.
Thank you. That clears up the motive behind selling XMR for bitcoins.
donator
Activity: 1736
Merit: 1014
Let's talk governance, lipstick, and pigs.
November 08, 2015, 12:06:48 AM
I have a BTC -> XMR service ready to go.
If XMR is so great, then why would anyone trade them for bitcoins?

Who said anything about buying bitcoins? Pretty sure that the arrow is pointing towards XMR.
So who has the XMR that you would trade bitcoins? I can see selling fiat for XMR because fiat is shit and only good for paying taxes, but why would anyone throw away their wonderful XMR to someone with shitty bitcoins?
legendary
Activity: 1105
Merit: 1000
November 07, 2015, 11:50:19 PM
I have a BTC -> XMR service ready to go. Soon you will not need to use Shapeshift.io. I anticipate the launch to be within the next 2 weeks.

Prepare for Monerizer.
If XMR is so great, then why would anyone trade them for bitcoins?

I'm not sure what you're getting at. His service goes the opposite way, but maybe that's what you meant.
donator
Activity: 1736
Merit: 1014
Let's talk governance, lipstick, and pigs.
November 07, 2015, 11:35:23 PM
I have a BTC -> XMR service ready to go. Soon you will not need to use Shapeshift.io. I anticipate the launch to be within the next 2 weeks.

Prepare for Monerizer.
If XMR is so great, then why would anyone trade them for bitcoins?
hero member
Activity: 854
Merit: 1009
JAYCE DESIGNS - http://bit.ly/1tmgIwK
November 07, 2015, 10:40:28 PM
I have a BTC -> XMR service ready to go. Soon you will not need to use Shapeshift.io. I anticipate the launch to be within the next 2 weeks.

Prepare for Monerizer.

It is really good to see more and more decentralized exchanges.

Centralized exchange is just so 2011. We need more decentralized exchange so keep the good work up.
legendary
Activity: 1610
Merit: 1004
November 07, 2015, 10:21:54 PM
I have a BTC -> XMR service ready to go. Soon you will not need to use Shapeshift.io. I anticipate the launch to be within the next 2 weeks.

Prepare for Monerizer.
sr. member
Activity: 379
Merit: 250
November 07, 2015, 09:44:01 PM
Any word on what's up with XMR on Shapeshift.io ?
sr. member
Activity: 414
Merit: 251
November 07, 2015, 09:40:33 PM
Volume way down, under 30 BTC for past couple days on polo, and total bids around 100 BTC on the same. Anyone thinks we're gonna push upwards in next few days? I'm more inclined to believe that someone is gonna pull that wall at 0.00115 and we'll dip below 0.001 in next weekish.

With .9 release coming soon I do not see why that would be likely right now, but in these volatile markets anything can happen.
legendary
Activity: 2268
Merit: 1141
November 07, 2015, 08:37:39 PM
Volume way down, under 30 BTC for past couple days on polo, and total bids around 100 BTC on the same. Anyone thinks we're gonna push upwards in next few days? I'm more inclined to believe that someone is gonna pull that wall at 0.00115 and we'll dip below 0.001 in next weekish.

The wall has been hit twice now without pulling, so I guess it's there to stay. Besides, the bot seems to have stopped.
sr. member
Activity: 336
Merit: 250
November 07, 2015, 08:18:10 PM
Well I can never predict anything.  Hope that helps Grin  Yes it has been very anemic.  I did buy some at this level with the intention of donating some of it.  First thing will be to help fund MonerMoo's continuing work whenever the funding goes live.
 
  
Yes, hiring MoneroMoo for 25 XMR an hour is a great deal.  I think that the 40 XMR an hour we pay him is drastically less than such technical competence is worth.  I, for one, will also be contributing to the fund to pay MoneroMoo 65 XMR an hour so that his efforts are fairly compensated.   Grin Grin Grin

I love the community spirit. Development is essential to the long term success of Monero so it is nice to see the community support our developers.
hero member
Activity: 770
Merit: 504
November 07, 2015, 07:25:21 PM
Well I can never predict anything.  Hope that helps Grin  Yes it has been very anemic.  I did buy some at this level with the intention of donating some of it.  First thing will be to help fund MonerMoo's continuing work whenever the funding goes live.
 
  
Yes, hiring MoneroMoo for 25 XMR an hour is a great deal.  I think that the 40 XMR an hour we pay him is drastically less than such technical competence is worth.  I, for one, will also be contributing to the fund to pay MoneroMoo 65 XMR an hour so that his efforts are fairly compensated.   Grin Grin Grin
legendary
Activity: 1624
Merit: 1008
November 07, 2015, 07:21:35 PM
Well I can never predict anything.  Hope that helps Grin  Yes it has been very anemic.  I did buy some at this level with the intention of donating some of it.  First thing will be to help fund MonerMoo's continuing work whenever the funding goes live.
legendary
Activity: 3164
Merit: 1116
November 07, 2015, 06:53:06 PM
Volume way down, under 30 BTC for past couple days on polo, and total bids around 100 BTC on the same. Anyone thinks we're gonna push upwards in next few days? I'm more inclined to believe that someone is gonna pull that wall at 0.00115 and we'll dip below 0.001 in next weekish.
legendary
Activity: 2268
Merit: 1141
November 07, 2015, 03:34:38 PM
How long is the twice a minute ~2 XMR sell bot going to run on Polo?  It also ran simultaneously on Bittrex for a while yesterday.


As far as I remember the last time it worked about 2 days, then stop for 24 hours and then another 1 day (if it's the same bot and the same strategy).

The previous time it ran it was selling more aggressively, if I recall correctly something like 10-15 XMR a minute, whereas it currently is selling ~5 XMR a minute. Could also be a different guy running it. Bear in mind that dnaleor posted a similiar bot on the forum a few months ago, so everyone could just grab it and run it. I personally don't mind it, rather this than those 10k+ dumps that wipe out all bid support. Furthermore, I think it's probably a miner cashing out and wanting to get the best possible price.
hero member
Activity: 770
Merit: 504
November 07, 2015, 03:15:59 PM

But I don't necessarily expect people to respond to these risks correctly; people are in general terrible at that.

 
  
I mean, I might buy a little just to hedge in case I'm wrong, but honestly - this is the first time in history that the integrity of both math and technology directly underpins an entire economy (well besides when paper currency was first introduced).  This isn't HTML5 or Flash that we can laugh about when we find a 'game breaking' bug.  
  
This is supposed to be the foundation for an entire monetary system, and even if it were a public blockchain and failed - that would be disasterous.  The fact that it could theoretically fail and no one would ever be able to know?  It makes it a ridiculous unacceptable risk (even aside from the Genesis keys nonsense).  
  
Monero with confidential transactions features time tested cryptography and is superior to Zerocash.  As a high-level amateur, this is the advice I would give to any serious institution considering making an investment into this fancy new "private blockchain tech" of 2016/2017.  I can't imagine that a more competent mathematician or programmer would advise any differently: "Yeah JP Morgan, so I know you're all hot and bothered by this new ability to write to a blockchain and keep it private, but I strongly recommend you go with this brand new math combined with a brand new implementation we just invented for your billions of dollars worth of accounting / asset holdings."  
  
The only way that happens is if a competent authority comes out with a firm statement that "ECC is completely broken, we have broken it using our new machine and here's the proof, everyone upgrade to this new Quantum-proof method that was created in 2016 or else." and I put the chances of that happening at a very slim percent in the next decade (or two), despite the NSA's recent warning.  Of course, I'm frequently wrong so who knows what will happen.
legendary
Activity: 2968
Merit: 1198
November 07, 2015, 12:07:42 PM
First of all, I never said "safe". Just that after working for a while, people would tend to not worry about it.

That's kind of true for a highly leveraged debt based system too. It took several years post-2008, but most now ignore systemic risks, or deny they even exist at all.

So I agree with you that many will behave that way in practice, but I also believe there is a role to play for systems built on a stronger foundation.

Quote
if the best argument against Zerocoin adoption vs Monero adoption in the privacy-coin niche is that ZC uses new crypto

That is a massive issue though (even if many people may ignore it). In cryptography the only thing that makes most real systems secure is that they have been around for a long time and vulnerabilities have been either identified and fixed or unable to be found. It is essentially impossible for new crypto to be usefully secure. 10 years is a widely recognized rule-of-thumb aging period. The key components of zerocash are far newer than that.

This is not just an issue of privacy either. If the system breaks there could be huge or total monetary losses.



Understood, but you have to view that risk in the context of the rest of the risks in any crypto-coin system. A break of the underlying crypto seems down the list relative to other (probably more likely) failure scenarios that can be equally catastrophic from an investment standpoint.

I think you are extrapolating from the experience with cryptocurrencies using mature cryptography. Also for the most part other than Cryptonote (only slightly different) they all use essentially the same cryptography, which means none of them are going to break unless they all break. We of course now know from experience that they haven't broken, but this wasn't guaranteed in advance. Zerocash is using completely different cryptography from every other cryptocurrency, and is starting out using cryptography that is far newer and less proven than what Bitcoin used at the start. It is true that estimating the risk of problems with immature cryptography is difficult, but that doesn't necessarily make it small. When it comes to experience here, all bets are off.

But I don't necessarily expect people to respond to these risks correctly; people are in general terrible at that.

hero member
Activity: 794
Merit: 1000
Monero (XMR) - secure, private, untraceable
November 07, 2015, 11:44:28 AM
How long is the twice a minute ~2 XMR sell bot going to run on Polo?  It also ran simultaneously on Bittrex for a while yesterday.


As far as I remember the last time it worked about 2 days, then stop for 24 hours and then another 1 day (if it's the same bot and the same strategy).
Jump to: