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Topic: [XMR] Monero Speculation - page 2145. (Read 3313076 times)

legendary
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Antifragile
October 12, 2014, 02:22:46 PM
the only reason I am not buying more is that there will probably be a serious competitor in the next 6-8 months. otherwise I would buy much more.

there is place for one serious private ledger and that one will be very very powerful in the long term


moneros chances to be that one are quite high

If there is no GUI wallet before this then It will all be downhill.

Hey look I'm in a Moderated topic. This post will be deleted because I'm not delusional.

I wrote long-term due to this.

my argument at this point of time there is no real competitor to xmr

there is darkcoin, which is technically inferior and very close to the already existing mixing technology in bitcoin

there is bbr, which is at least from the technical perspective on the same level. that said bbr came second, which is bad luck and so the userbase is maybe around 10% of the existing userbase in xmr.

there is anc which is in alpha stage. the "mixing" will probably even be superior but what is missing is the blockchain obfuscation (I am not entirely sure on technical aspects of a zerocoin implementation).

I think all others can be seen as pump and dump at this point - maybe I do darknote wrong, but they were the third implementation of cryptonote protocol....

I hedge my privatecoin portfolio with these three currencies, but at this point xmr seems to be leading. the most eminemt question for xmrs' long term success will be the question of how well zerocash will be implement and if it works. I got doubts that it works properly and that people trust a system they do not understand but we will see.

I have no doubts that there will be a decentralized private ledger which will be huge the reason for this is that I cannot see any other way to create something like this. And this niche is huge.  

Well said. It is in part a gamble at this point for the developers/holders of XMR. They have a clear lead in the anonymous space (technically speaking, DRK still has a following).
The gamble is that not having a wallet is slowing adoption imo. The gamble is that if a competitor comes out before Xmas (the due date for the Wallet), then we have a problem.
Not sure that anything big is due out before then, but this space is hard to predict. For sure, the Wallet (and DB) have to be done by then...

If we can maintain what we have built till Xmas, I also think that is when BTC is going to begin its run up. (My GANN points at this...)

IAS
hero member
Activity: 742
Merit: 500
October 12, 2014, 02:10:13 PM
the only reason I am not buying more is that there will probably be a serious competitor in the next 6-8 months. otherwise I would buy much more.

there is place for one serious private ledger and that one will be very very powerful in the long term


moneros chances to be that one are quite high

If there is no GUI wallet before this then It will all be downhill.

Hey look I'm in a Moderated topic. This post will be deleted because I'm not delusional.

I wrote long-term due to this.

my argument at this point of time there is no real competitor to xmr

there is darkcoin, which is technically inferior and very close to the already existing mixing technology in bitcoin

there is bbr, which is at least from the technical perspective on the same level. that said bbr came second, which is bad luck and so the userbase is maybe around 10% of the existing userbase in xmr.

there is anc which is in alpha stage. the "mixing" will probably even be superior but what is missing is the blockchain obfuscation (I am not entirely sure on technical aspects of a zerocoin implementation).

I think all others can be seen as pump and dump at this point - maybe I do darknote wrong, but they were the third implementation of cryptonote protocol....

I hedge my privatecoin portfolio with these three currencies, but at this point xmr seems to be leading. the most eminemt question for xmrs' long term success will be the question of how well zerocash will be implement and if it works. I got doubts that it works properly and that people trust a system they do not understand but we will see.

I have no doubts that there will be a decentralized private ledger which will be huge the reason for this is that I cannot see any other way to create something like this. And this niche is huge.   
legendary
Activity: 2968
Merit: 1198
October 12, 2014, 12:53:27 PM
Causes for the price decline (in no particular order):

1. Overall crypto "bear market"
2. No visible progress on DB, official GUI
3. Lack of development of an "economy"
4. BCX threats
5. Crowded market of "anonymous coins"
6. Demand insufficient to absorb emission at previous prices
7. Concern over emission being too fast and not changed
8. Concern over emission being changed

I think Crypto Kingdom is fantastic (#3 above) and we need at least dozen more initiatives like that.

newbie
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Merit: 0
October 12, 2014, 12:02:16 PM
the only reason I am not buying more is that there will probably be a serious competitor in the next 6-8 months. otherwise I would buy much more.

there is place for one serious private ledger and that one will be very very powerful in the long term


moneros chances to be that one are quite high

If there is no GUI wallet before this then It will all be downhill.

Hey look I'm in a Moderated topic. This post will be deleted because I'm not delusional.
That's not fair, and not how moderation in Monero happened in the past. Obvious trolling is deleted, rational criticism and speculation is not.
legendary
Activity: 3836
Merit: 4969
Doomed to see the future and unable to prevent it
October 12, 2014, 11:42:54 AM
the only reason I am not buying more is that there will probably be a serious competitor in the next 6-8 months. otherwise I would buy much more.

there is place for one serious private ledger and that one will be very very powerful in the long term


moneros chances to be that one are quite high

If there is no GUI wallet before this then It will all be downhill.

Hey look I'm in a Moderated topic. This post will be deleted because I'm not delusional.
sr. member
Activity: 364
Merit: 250
October 12, 2014, 11:42:04 AM
I believe he said that his 22 days took us to late 10/11 or early 10/12 GMT. 

Should be about 4:40 PM GMT as I type this.

Unfortunately, I suspect we won't get a definitive end-to-the-threat statement, which might be a market-mover.
legendary
Activity: 3836
Merit: 4969
Doomed to see the future and unable to prevent it
October 12, 2014, 11:39:53 AM
Its right before the timewarp attack by BCX should start so people are pulling out again. If no attack happens in the next 24 hours it should start to increase.

People still believe that bullshit?

Never underestimate the idiocy of the masses.
hero member
Activity: 742
Merit: 500
October 12, 2014, 10:19:55 AM
the only reason I am not buying more is that there will probably be a serious competitor in the next 6-8 months. otherwise I would buy much more.

there is place for one serious private ledger and that one will be very very powerful in the long term


moneros chances to be that one are quite high
newbie
Activity: 33
Merit: 0
October 12, 2014, 09:44:10 AM
Bid side collapsed hard, volume too. market seems exhausted. where do we go?
Yea.. forum activity and participation of prominent members also on the decline. I think there is overall disappointment that the database and GUI, which were just around the corner two months ago are still not here. I guess the majority of investors are in the red, which doesn't add much to the enthusiasm..
I started developing a service based on XMR, but put it on hold until I see clear signs that things are going in the right direction.

I think it's the fear hanging around (see McHaggis' reply), not what you've stated above. The devs never gave a timeline for these things. So basicly that can't lead to disappointment.
Yes I guess the fear is also contributing to the situation, today is the 12th, which is the final deadline BCX gave, we'll see how the market behaves tomorrow.. My assumption is that many sold due to the threat, but will not be in a hurry to buy back in when the threat is gone due to the reasons I stated above. The fact that they didn't give a timeline does not mean there was no expectation, just go over the various threads, and see how many people asked about the DB & GUI, I'm pretty sure there is disappointment. I remember that ItsAboutSharing stated that he is not buying the dips because of the absence of GUI. I didn't sell anything, but also not increasing my stash due to this. The developers have clearly shown their ability to handle crisis, which is great. But they haven't shown their ability to deliver substantial core features yet.
legendary
Activity: 2268
Merit: 1141
October 12, 2014, 09:24:00 AM
Bid side collapsed hard, volume too. market seems exhausted. where do we go?
Yea.. forum activity and participation of prominent members also on the decline. I think there is overall disappointment that the database and GUI, which were just around the corner two months ago are still not here. I guess the majority of investors are in the red, which doesn't add much to the enthusiasm..
I started developing a service based on XMR, but put it on hold until I see clear signs that things are going in the right direction.

I think it's the fear hanging around (see McHaggis' reply), not what you've stated above. The devs never gave a timeline for these things. So basicly that can't lead to disappointment.
donator
Activity: 1722
Merit: 1036
October 12, 2014, 09:08:38 AM
Bid side collapsed hard, volume too. market seems exhausted. where do we go?
Yea.. forum activity and participation of prominent members also on the decline. I think there is overall disappointment that the database and GUI, which were just around the corner two months ago are still not here. I guess the majority of investors are in the red, which doesn't add much to the enthusiasm..
I started developing a service based on XMR, but put it on hold until I see clear signs that things are going in the right direction.

Monero has something that no other coin (even BTC) has: Virtual World.
legendary
Activity: 2730
Merit: 1288
October 12, 2014, 08:17:32 AM
Do you guys realize Monero's pretty much just gone down since mid June?


Jully 13, price was 0.0026BTC and there was 2.058k coins in existance so Moneros was worth 5350BTC
October 12, price is 0.0029BTC and there is 3.982k coins in existance so Moneros are worth 11548BTC


This makes Moneros 2.15 times more worth then they were 3 months ago. You will hardly find coin that can compare with this if at all!
member
Activity: 84
Merit: 10
October 12, 2014, 07:36:10 AM
Its right before the timewarp attack by BCX should start so people are pulling out again. If no attack happens in the next 24 hours it should start to increase.

People still believe that bullshit?

Not necessarily, just managing risk.
EFS
staff
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Crypto Swap Exchange
October 12, 2014, 07:31:14 AM
Its right before the timewarp attack by BCX should start so people are pulling out again. If no attack happens in the next 24 hours it should start to increase.

People still believe that bullshit?
newbie
Activity: 56
Merit: 0
October 12, 2014, 07:27:11 AM
Its right before the timewarp attack by BCX should start so people are pulling out again. If no attack happens in the next 24 hours it should start to increase.
newbie
Activity: 33
Merit: 0
October 12, 2014, 06:49:41 AM
Bid side collapsed hard, volume too. market seems exhausted. where do we go?
Yea.. forum activity and participation of prominent members also on the decline. I think there is overall disappointment that the database and GUI, which were just around the corner two months ago are still not here. I guess the majority of investors are in the red, which doesn't add much to the enthusiasm..
I started developing a service based on XMR, but put it on hold until I see clear signs that things are going in the right direction.
donator
Activity: 1722
Merit: 1036
October 12, 2014, 02:11:08 AM
How do you interpret that bid megawalls of +30000 coins?
Risto giving liquidity to the market (also ask walls)

No not really that. My way to give liquidity has been small bids and asks near the market that gives several fills per day with just 2-3 % profit per hit.

Wallmaking currently has the issue that an ASK wall is 300% more likely to be filled than a BID wall in equal distance so it requires a different risk mgmt approach.

Also I don't want to be more than 35% of the orders in any range, or 5% of trades.
newbie
Activity: 33
Merit: 0
October 11, 2014, 05:33:07 AM
How do you interpret that bid megawalls of +30000 coins?
Risto giving liquidity to the market (also ask walls)
legendary
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Merit: 1005
No maps for these territories
October 11, 2014, 05:18:57 AM
How do you interpret that bid megawalls of +30000 coins?
donator
Activity: 1722
Merit: 1036
October 11, 2014, 01:33:12 AM
#2 is waiting for necessary improvements for XMR to be able to be used by The Drooling Masses®.  Although I am one of The Drooling Masses I have been able to mine and use XMR due to motivation.

Well one such Mass-Appealing Thing® is the first ever virtual world that uses XMR (or any crypto btw.. Shocked) as the in-game transaction medium + accounting unit + way to load the balance.
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