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Quote from: tokeweed on November 21, 2021, 11:46:57 AM

Is it trying to compete with Bitcoin tho? It is technically better than BTC from a privacy perspective which in turn is starting to take away BTC’s use case as a currency for DNM’s. It will also start creeping in all the other use cases like the store of value meme. I mean if you hold millions worth of crypto why would you like to be exposed in a rich list somewhere.

I can see how Bitcoin is a better store of wealth as Monero's intrinsic properties allow all types of fuckery from tptb and we cant prove it.

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Quote from: cAPSLOCK on November 17, 2021, 04:32:30 PM

Quote from: tokeweed on November 17, 2021, 12:11:39 PM

Quote from: cAPSLOCK on November 16, 2021, 11:28:44 AM

Quote from: Hueristic on November 16, 2021, 09:27:56 AM

I don't follow twitter drama so can you explain what that shit means because i'm lost?

Basically Tuman is complaining that the Bitcoin Maximalists who are beginning to embrace Monero are hurting it by not shitting all over bitcion because it is not really "peer to peer cash" (BCASH argument) and Monero is actually the anointed crypto that will eventually replace Bitcoin (actually ALSO BCASH argument).

The Maxis who are quietly beginning to embrace Monero call him a fool.

It's probably bad for my health, but this whole line has begun to irritate the shit out of me. I disavow the Bitcoin bashing that is growing in popularity in the XMR camp.

But since that is making me just an outdated broken record, I am trying to just quit having anything to do with the "community". But like any internet suicide I have ever seen I keep coming back like the walking dead.

Wink

I’m not sure if anyone should be shitting on BTC just to prop up XMR but I’m one of those people who think that everything people thought what BTC is, is really what XMR actually is. From anonymity, fungibility to privacy. So if you find me shitting on BTC as a currency, it’s not deliberate and I don’t hate BTC. It’s just the way it is. I mean what can we do? It’s technically all true.

I have NO problem with this line of thought... it's true. Monero IS what people thought Bitcoin was. Except with a more difficult way to insure there is not hidden inflation, less ease of use, no layer 2 (yet), little hardware support and so on, and so on.

My point summed up is: do not try to outcompete Bitcoin.

Just BE MONERO.

That is enough.

Is it trying to compete with Bitcoin tho? It is technically better than BTC from a privacy perspective which in turn is starting to take away BTC’s use case as a currency for DNM’s. It will also start creeping in all the other use cases like the store of value meme. I mean if you hold millions worth of crypto why would you like to be exposed in a rich list somewhere.

Hueristic

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Lolz

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OA41KkjFTuI

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Quote from: gembitz on November 18, 2021, 10:05:06 AM

Quote from: otreza on November 17, 2021, 11:12:23 PM

Right now, mining the coin is unprofitable, miners are waiting for the growth and will do everything to achieve it. Look at the profitability of mining now:

^botnet miners?

lol

Shit I just tried to remember our resident bonet miner and couldn't.

I think it was..ahhh just remembered!

Primer.

Trying to remember him reminded me we haven't heard from TrueTroll in years now.

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Quote from: otreza on November 17, 2021, 11:12:23 PM

Right now, mining the coin is unprofitable, miners are waiting for the growth and will do everything to achieve it. Look at the profitability of mining now:

^botnet miners?

lol

smooth

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Good points @cAPSLOCK

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Quote from: smooth on November 17, 2021, 08:40:52 PM

@cAPSLOCK

I was replying to this

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Franky the dev community has shifted

For some people such as hyc, "Bitcoin=bad" is probably not a shift, they came to Monero with that view and at least in part because of that view.

We can obviously debate that view, or even try to convince them. That would be a different question. Let's understand that not everyone within the Monero community is or ever was "Bitcoin good, Monero better" or "Bitcoin and Monero both good". There are a variety of perspectives on the matter.

It's a good distinction you are making. I am talking about the dev community as a whole, having shifted in it's general demeanor, and I bought up a particularly important single member as an example.

You are talking about the views of the individuals that make up that group, and how they may have come in. So in a way we are talking about exactly the same things and exactly not.

I can accept the views of individuals, and also observe that the general tenor is way more "What Bitcoin meant to be". AND at the same time personally think that both Bitcoin and Monero have roles to fill.

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Right now, mining the coin is unprofitable, miners are waiting for the growth and will do everything to achieve it. Look at the profitability of mining now:

smooth

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@cAPSLOCK

I was replying to this

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Franky the dev community has shifted

For some people such as hyc, "Bitcoin=bad" is probably not a shift, they came to Monero with that view and at least in part because of that view.

We can obviously debate that view, or even try to convince them. That would be a different question. Let's understand that not everyone within the Monero community is or ever was "Bitcoin good, Monero better" or "Bitcoin and Monero both good". There are a variety of perspectives on the matter.

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Quote from: tokeweed on November 17, 2021, 12:11:39 PM

Quote from: cAPSLOCK on November 16, 2021, 11:28:44 AM

Quote from: Hueristic on November 16, 2021, 09:27:56 AM

I don't follow twitter drama so can you explain what that shit means because i'm lost?

Basically Tuman is complaining that the Bitcoin Maximalists who are beginning to embrace Monero are hurting it by not shitting all over bitcion because it is not really "peer to peer cash" (BCASH argument) and Monero is actually the anointed crypto that will eventually replace Bitcoin (actually ALSO BCASH argument).

The Maxis who are quietly beginning to embrace Monero call him a fool.

It's probably bad for my health, but this whole line has begun to irritate the shit out of me. I disavow the Bitcoin bashing that is growing in popularity in the XMR camp.

But since that is making me just an outdated broken record, I am trying to just quit having anything to do with the "community". But like any internet suicide I have ever seen I keep coming back like the walking dead.

Wink

I’m not sure if anyone should be shitting on BTC just to prop up XMR but I’m one of those people who think that everything people thought what BTC is, is really what XMR actually is. From anonymity, fungibility to privacy. So if you find me shitting on BTC as a currency, it’s not deliberate and I don’t hate BTC. It’s just the way it is. I mean what can we do? It’s technically all true.

I have NO problem with this line of thought... it's true. Monero IS what people thought Bitcoin was. Except with a more difficult way to insure there is not hidden inflation, less ease of use, no layer 2 (yet), little hardware support and so on, and so on.

My point summed up is: do not try to outcompete Bitcoin.

Just BE MONERO.

That is enough.

Quote from: smooth on November 17, 2021, 04:23:15 PM

Quote from: cAPSLOCK on November 16, 2021, 12:39:35 PM

Franky the dev community has shifted into the anti-bitcoin camp pretty hard. As much great work as hyc_symas has done (RandomX in partcular) he seems to be prety far into the "Bitcoin is for evil rightist libertarians, and Monero is the anointed crypto" camp.

Some people, I think hyc for example, decided to work on, invest in, or support Monero specifically after evaluating Bitcoin and finding it lacking. You can't blame them for having that view, even if you don't share it. It seems to be sincerely acquired, just a somewhat different path from people who were or are Bitcoiners and also found Monero interesting.

I don't blame them for having that view at all. That is either shifting the goal posts, or the result of my argument being badly presented.

I think majoring on "Bitcoin=Bad/Monero=Good" is a flawed position.

[moderator's note: consecutive posts merged]

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Quote from: cAPSLOCK on November 16, 2021, 12:39:35 PM

Franky the dev community has shifted into the anti-bitcoin camp pretty hard. As much great work as hyc_symas has done (RandomX in partcular) he seems to be prety far into the "Bitcoin is for evil rightist libertarians, and Monero is the anointed crypto" camp.

Some people, I think hyc for example, decided to work on, invest in, or support Monero specifically after evaluating Bitcoin and finding it lacking. You can't blame them for having that view, even if you don't share it. It seems to be sincerely acquired, just a somewhat different path from people who were or are Bitcoiners and also found Monero interesting.

Febo

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OK in times of need now we have somewhere to go. https://xmr-psychologist.com/

I remember this guys posts from months ago on reddit asking how he can offer his clients payments with Monero. Psychiatric field is perfect usecase for Monero. Or most of medicine.

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Quote from: cAPSLOCK on November 16, 2021, 11:28:44 AM

Quote from: Hueristic on November 16, 2021, 09:27:56 AM

I don't follow twitter drama so can you explain what that shit means because i'm lost?

Basically Tuman is complaining that the Bitcoin Maximalists who are beginning to embrace Monero are hurting it by not shitting all over bitcion because it is not really "peer to peer cash" (BCASH argument) and Monero is actually the anointed crypto that will eventually replace Bitcoin (actually ALSO BCASH argument).

The Maxis who are quietly beginning to embrace Monero call him a fool.

It's probably bad for my health, but this whole line has begun to irritate the shit out of me. I disavow the Bitcoin bashing that is growing in popularity in the XMR camp.

But since that is making me just an outdated broken record, I am trying to just quit having anything to do with the "community". But like any internet suicide I have ever seen I keep coming back like the walking dead.

Wink

I’m not sure if anyone should be shitting on BTC just to prop up XMR but I’m one of those people who think that everything people thought what BTC is, is really what XMR actually is. From anonymity, fungibility to privacy. So if you find me shitting on BTC as a currency, it’s not deliberate and I don’t hate BTC. It’s just the way it is. I mean what can we do? It’s technically all true.

cAPSLOCK

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Quote from: Hueristic on November 16, 2021, 12:14:38 PM

Quote from: cAPSLOCK on November 16, 2021, 11:28:44 AM

Quote from: Hueristic on November 16, 2021, 09:27:56 AM

I don't follow twitter drama so can you explain what that shit means because i'm lost?

Basically Tuman is complaining that the Bitcoin Maximalists who are beginning to embrace Monero are hurting it by not shitting all over bitcion because it is not really "peer to peer cash" (BCASH argument) and Monero is actually the anointed crypto that will eventually replace Bitcoin (actually ALSO BCASH argument).

The Maxis who are quietly beginning to embrace Monero call him a fool.

It's probably bad for my health, but this whole line has begun to irritate the shit out of me. I disavow the Bitcoin bashing that is growing in popularity in the XMR camp.

But since that is making me just an outdated broken record, I am trying to just quit having anything to do with the "community". But like any internet suicide I have ever seen I keep coming back like the walking dead.

Wink

Twitter is full of retards and that moron Truman came out of the reddit "moderated" crowd as far as I know.

Basically shitty platforms create shit spokesmen. <<== correct grammar? doesn't flow well

Its a morph of quality from here to there and you can clearly see it in the community and I blame the Devs for leaving here.

That's a pretty good assessment.

Franky the dev community has shifted into the anti-bitcoin camp pretty hard. As much great work as hyc_symas has done (RandomX in partcular) he seems to be prety far into the "Bitcoin is for evil rightist libertarians, and Monero is the anointed crypto" camp.

(I know you are a member here too Howard. Appreciate your work. I am just frustrated with the Monero community right now.)

Hueristic

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Quote from: cAPSLOCK on November 16, 2021, 11:28:44 AM

Quote from: Hueristic on November 16, 2021, 09:27:56 AM

I don't follow twitter drama so can you explain what that shit means because i'm lost?

Basically Tuman is complaining that the Bitcoin Maximalists who are beginning to embrace Monero are hurting it by not shitting all over bitcion because it is not really "peer to peer cash" (BCASH argument) and Monero is actually the anointed crypto that will eventually replace Bitcoin (actually ALSO BCASH argument).

The Maxis who are quietly beginning to embrace Monero call him a fool.

It's probably bad for my health, but this whole line has begun to irritate the shit out of me. I disavow the Bitcoin bashing that is growing in popularity in the XMR camp.

But since that is making me just an outdated broken record, I am trying to just quit having anything to do with the "community". But like any internet suicide I have ever seen I keep coming back like the walking dead.

Wink

Twitter is full of retards and that moron Truman came out of the reddit "moderated" crowd as far as I know.

Basically shitty platforms create shit spokesmen. <<== correct grammar? doesn't flow well

Its a morph of quality from here to there and you can clearly see it in the community and I blame the Devs for leaving here.

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Quote from: Hueristic on November 16, 2021, 09:27:56 AM

I don't follow twitter drama so can you explain what that shit means because i'm lost?

Basically Tuman is complaining that the Bitcoin Maximalists who are beginning to embrace Monero are hurting it by not shitting all over bitcion because it is not really "peer to peer cash" (BCASH argument) and Monero is actually the anointed crypto that will eventually replace Bitcoin (actually ALSO BCASH argument).

The Maxis who are quietly beginning to embrace Monero call him a fool.

It's probably bad for my health, but this whole line has begun to irritate the shit out of me. I disavow the Bitcoin bashing that is growing in popularity in the XMR camp.

But since that is making me just an outdated broken record, I am trying to just quit having anything to do with the "community". But like any internet suicide I have ever seen I keep coming back like the walking dead.

Wink

Hueristic

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I don't follow twitter drama so can you explain what that shit means because i'm lost?

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I have become very pised at what the monero"community" has become and am staging my rage quit. But I want to post why here on my fav speculation thread.

I believe Monero is experiencing amazing adoption with even certain Bitcoin Maxi camps. And the price is SERIOUSLY lagging behind. That means I think it is primed to go up. But this is what the community is looking like nowadays...

At least the newcomers to Monero seem to get it. Ironic.

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Quote from: tokeweed on November 11, 2021, 08:18:59 AM

^ ^ I’m not sure I could totally agree with the ‘more solid floor’ argument if compared to BTC. Compared to most of other alts, for sure it does. And come to think of it, I’m starting to prefer XMR to find security througn obscurity. The more it doesn’t have hype and the spotlight, the better for the coin and its users.

I agree with all of that. Also did not meant to imply XMR's floor would be stronger than Bitcoins.. I was most certainly thinking ALTs. Though I often communicate unclearly.

But I am ragequitting Monero officially now (really just the "community") so stop drawing me back in, damnit.

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^ ^ I’m not sure I could totally agree with the ‘more solid floor’ argument if compared to BTC. Compared to most of other alts, for sure it does. And come to think of it, I’m starting to prefer XMR to find security througn obscurity. The more it doesn’t have hype and the spotlight, the better for the coin and its users.

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