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Topic: [XMR] Monero Speculation - page 239. (Read 3314316 times)

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August 25, 2018, 03:51:11 PM
Multiply hash rate times transaction volume and divide by emission. Extrapolate linearly.
433,5MH/s*126tph/4xmr/block=13655,25what???

My intention was to describe a time series which should correlate with XMR USD over some local time window. the time window would have to be short enough so that the approximative use of a ratio spread instead of a subtracted spread did not lead to excessive distortion, and long enough for constant noise not too interfere too much with the correlation. The series would need to be scaled by some constant factor to have any utility for supply/demand price estimation. The use of a ratio spread was motivated by a desire to avoid calibrating a scaling parameter.

Ok, got your intention and i think i got your thinking on this matter. Hence the hashrate dropped pretty heavily since the last hard fork this calculation model can be estimated as an indicator.

Lets pretend we take the the scaling factor of 1.000.000 then MOnerO seemed to be heavily overpriced with the effect of the last hard fork. Now the price drops to the result of calculation model within somewhat of 4 months, so this can be seen as an indicator for this. The question is, will correlate also in the other direction?

I did some studies on historic charts and honestly i did not find a clear factor of time latency, where this could correlate, but let's watch and learn something from the next ATH  Grin
legendary
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August 25, 2018, 02:40:46 PM
Multiply hash rate times transaction volume and divide by emission. Extrapolate linearly.
433,5MH/s*126tph/4xmr/block=13655,25what???

My intention was to describe a time series which should correlate with XMR USD over some local time window. the time window would have to be short enough so that the approximative use of a ratio spread instead of a subtracted spread did not lead to excessive distortion, and long enough for constant noise not too interfere too much with the correlation. The series would need to be scaled by some constant factor to have any utility for supply/demand price estimation. The use of a ratio spread was motivated by a desire to avoid calibrating a scaling parameter.
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August 25, 2018, 04:49:49 AM
1000 usd xmr looks so far away. Hopefully we get there eventually Smiley

Multiply hash rate times transaction volume and divide by emission. Extrapolate linearly.

433,5MH/s*126tph/4xmr/block=13655,25what???

At the moment writing we have rate of 0,0137400BTC/XMR which equals in ~$92 so if you devide the result by 1.000.000 you get pretty near to the BTC/XMR rate.

Is that right or did i get anything wrong?
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August 25, 2018, 01:41:23 AM
Im 6 to 9 months out of the crypto loop. Hadnt read a single new.

I have a brand new ledger nano to move all the moneros in. If someone can tell me where is the more updated guide would be helpful.

It is safe to move all my moneros there?

This should get you started:

https://old.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/925q5m/gui_v01230_with_direct_ledger_support_released/

Thanks, Oz!
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August 24, 2018, 10:05:19 PM
Multiply hash rate times transaction volume and divide by emission. Extrapolate linearly.

legendary
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August 24, 2018, 09:21:31 PM
@$@#%$, I put a buy order in and it goes up 5%! Guess I should have bought at market.

Couldn't dip just a little first, dammit!
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August 24, 2018, 07:07:42 PM
Im 6 to 9 months out of the crypto loop. Hadnt read a single new.

I have a brand new ledger nano to move all the moneros in. If someone can tell me where is the more updated guide would be helpful.

It is safe to move all my moneros there?

This should get you started:

https://old.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/925q5m/gui_v01230_with_direct_ledger_support_released/
legendary
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August 24, 2018, 02:35:43 PM
Im 6 to 9 months out of the crypto loop. Hadnt read a single new.

I have a brand new ledger nano to move all the moneros in. If someone can tell me where is the more updated guide would be helpful.

It is safe to move all my moneros there?
legendary
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August 23, 2018, 08:53:07 PM
Apparently Bulletproofs can reduce the average tx from 15kb to something like 1.5kb-3kb which is still slightly larger than Bitcoin's 0.5kb but definitely a significant improvement. Would something like RuffCT/StringCT reduce that even more?

As currently envisioned that would increase the ring size (so better privacy) without increasing the TX size but wouldn't significantly reduce the tx size. There might be other methods/improvments developed in the future, who knows.

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I'm also curious if we would be able to prune the blockchain in the future, like Aeon or Boolberry do - although Monero can't use the same method IIRC.

Some pruning (about 80% IIRC) is already partially implemented and will be rolled out when it is ready.

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August 23, 2018, 07:40:44 PM
I was thinking of total supply in the other reason I mentioned:
- smaller supply (is there any estimations when XMR will over come BTC's supply?)
But thanks for all the info. Also interesting link, thanks!

Oh I see... I knew I read that and I knew I could find the answer (because I asked myself the same question in the past) but I quoted another sentence when I replied and I started from there  Roll Eyes
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August 23, 2018, 03:36:52 PM

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After the new rules, however, this figure will be slashed to as much as around 2.5kB in size for all single-output bulletproofs.
This is still a lot bigger then BTC transaction on average, which is around 0.4kB.
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August 23, 2018, 03:22:42 PM
- smaller blockchain size then BTC atm (I assume size is growing faster then BTC's, any estimations when this could happen?)

I assume you are talking about the total of BTC and XMR in circulation? They should be equal in 2040:

~snip

Also, note the supply rate will be similar from 2019 to 2027. You can read this very interesting reddit post to get more info: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/512kwh/useful_for_learning_about_monero_coin_emission/

I was thinking of total supply in the other reason I mentioned:
- smaller supply (is there any estimations when XMR will over come BTC's supply?)
But thanks for all the info. Also interesting link, thanks!

- smaller blockchain size then BTC atm (I assume size is growing faster then BTC's, any estimations when this could happen?)
~snip
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https://www.ccn.com/privacy-coin-monero-successfully-completes-first-bulletproofs-audit/
https://bitcoincryptocurrency.com/monero-xmr-bulletproofs/
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Just to conclude, there’s no doubt Bulletproofs represents a vital advancement in Monero transactions. The 80% savings, faster verification times and reduced fees is a huge plus. If you are part of those waiting for it, be happy and keep checking!
I saw this yes. This could actually be a big improvement.

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After the new rules, however, this figure will be slashed to as much as around 2.5kB in size for all single-output bulletproofs.
This is still a lot bigger then BTC transaction on average, which is around 0.4kB.
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August 23, 2018, 01:44:37 PM
OK the math is in fellas:

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August 23, 2018, 12:54:37 PM
1000 usd xmr looks so far away. Hopefully we get there eventually Smiley

Multiply hash rate times transaction volume and divide by emission. Extrapolate linearly.

You are back in the house, so that takes me to a new ATH in a month or less  Grin
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August 23, 2018, 12:18:23 PM
Apparently Bulletproofs can reduce the average tx from 15kb to something like 1.5kb-3kb which is still slightly larger than Bitcoin's 0.5kb but definitely a significant improvement. Would something like RuffCT/StringCT reduce that even more? I'm also curious if we would be able to prune the blockchain in the future, like Aeon or Boolberry do - although Monero can't use the same method IIRC.

Monero also stores UTXO on-disk with denormalised database indices/LMDB rather than on-memory like Bitcoin, so although their blockchain isn't growing as fast as Monero currently, they will still suffer from a growing UTXO set in time, although hard drive storage is getting cheaper every year and there's always room for more optimisations and off-chain scaling solutions.

I'm not an expert though, so I'd love if someone could chime in and correct me if I'm wrong.
legendary
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August 23, 2018, 11:51:38 AM
- smaller blockchain size then BTC atm (I assume size is growing faster then BTC's, any estimations when this could happen?)

I assume you are talking about the total of BTC and XMR in circulation? They should be equal in 2040:
...

I think you two guys are talking about two different things.

7jaka7 is talking about the size of the blockchain (= the amount of disk space that you need
if you want to download and verify the Bitcoin / Monero blockchain).
You are talking about the total supply of BTC / XMR.

Monero´s blockchain is indeed growing faster than the BTC blockchain
if we measure the growth of the blockchain size as a percentage.

BTC blockchain growth:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/647523/worldwide-bitcoin-blockchain-size/

Monero blockchain growth:
https://moneroblocks.info/stats

https://www.ccn.com/privacy-coin-monero-successfully-completes-first-bulletproofs-audit/
https://bitcoincryptocurrency.com/monero-xmr-bulletproofs/
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Just to conclude, there’s no doubt Bulletproofs represents a vital advancement in Monero transactions. The 80% savings, faster verification times and reduced fees is a huge plus. If you are part of those waiting for it, be happy and keep checking!
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August 23, 2018, 11:34:05 AM
- smaller blockchain size then BTC atm (I assume size is growing faster then BTC's, any estimations when this could happen?)

I assume you are talking about the total of BTC and XMR in circulation? They should be equal in 2040:
...

I think you two guys are talking about two different things.

7jaka7 is talking about the size of the blockchain (= the amount of disk space that you need
if you want to download and verify the Bitcoin / Monero blockchain).
You are talking about the total supply of BTC / XMR.

Monero´s blockchain is indeed growing faster than the BTC blockchain
if we measure the growth of the blockchain size as a percentage.

BTC blockchain growth:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/647523/worldwide-bitcoin-blockchain-size/

Monero blockchain growth:
https://moneroblocks.info/stats

It's what I understood initially but I couldn't see the correlation between the price and the blockchain size. Of course, keeping a smaller blockchain makes it easier to spread more nodes (=> more decentralization) but an XMR transaction weights more than a BTC transaction (explaining why the size of Monero's blockchain is indeed growing faster even with much fewer transactions).

@7jaka7, could you explain why you think the size of blockchain has an influence on the price?
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August 23, 2018, 10:34:05 AM
- smaller blockchain size then BTC atm (I assume size is growing faster then BTC's, any estimations when this could happen?)

I assume you are talking about the total of BTC and XMR in circulation? They should be equal in 2040:
...

I think you two guys are talking about two different things.

7jaka7 is talking about the size of the blockchain (= the amount of disk space that you need
if you want to download and verify the Bitcoin / Monero blockchain).
You are talking about the total supply of BTC / XMR.

Monero´s blockchain is indeed growing faster than the BTC blockchain
if we measure the growth of the blockchain size as a percentage.

BTC blockchain growth:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/647523/worldwide-bitcoin-blockchain-size/

Monero blockchain growth:
https://moneroblocks.info/stats
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August 23, 2018, 10:26:09 AM
- smaller blockchain size then BTC atm (I assume size is growing faster then BTC's, any estimations when this could happen?)

I assume you are talking about the total of BTC and XMR in circulation? They should be equal in 2040:



Also, note the supply rate will be similar from 2019 to 2027. You can read this very interesting reddit post to get more info: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/512kwh/useful_for_learning_about_monero_coin_emission/
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August 23, 2018, 08:55:04 AM
Monero more or less premine [Suspicious link removed]d luck guys
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