[XMR] Monero Speculation - page 321.

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Quote from: Hueristic on March 18, 2018, 02:57:09 PM

Quote from: Febo on March 18, 2018, 02:42:18 PM

https://monerobase.com/wiki/DevMeeting_2018-03-18

To allow some additional time to test all of the new features, the next Monero release has been pushed to ~April 6th: https://github.com/monero-project/monero/pull/3424
Version 0.12 "Lithium Luna"
The release is expected to be tagged and ready for testing this week.
v0.12 "Major" Features
MultiSig
SubAddresses
Default Ring Size increase from 5 to 7
Proof of Work changes to combat ASIC's
Initial hardware wallet support for Ledger
Key reuse mitigations
A Dark theme for the official GUI should be finalized this week.

Well this isn't going to help price at all.

thanks for the post.

I would say the list of major features is really impressive and should have a more profound impact than the slight delay...

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Quote from: Febo on March 18, 2018, 02:42:18 PM

https://monerobase.com/wiki/DevMeeting_2018-03-18

To allow some additional time to test all of the new features, the next Monero release has been pushed to ~April 6th: https://github.com/monero-project/monero/pull/3424
Version 0.12 "Lithium Luna"
The release is expected to be tagged and ready for testing this week.
v0.12 "Major" Features
MultiSig
SubAddresses
Default Ring Size increase from 5 to 7
Proof of Work changes to combat ASIC's
Initial hardware wallet support for Ledger
Key reuse mitigations
A Dark theme for the official GUI should be finalized this week.

Well this isn't going to help price at all.

thanks for the post.

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https://monerobase.com/wiki/DevMeeting_2018-03-18

To allow some additional time to test all of the new features, the next Monero release has been pushed to ~April 6th: https://github.com/monero-project/monero/pull/3424
Version 0.12 "Lithium Luna"
The release is expected to be tagged and ready for testing this week.
v0.12 "Major" Features
MultiSig
SubAddresses
Default Ring Size increase from 5 to 7
Proof of Work changes to combat ASIC's
Initial hardware wallet support for Ledger
Key reuse mitigations
A Dark theme for the official GUI should be finalized this week.

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Quote from: Fragbait on March 18, 2018, 01:25:40 PM

Quote from: ?? on ??

Quote from: Fragbait on March 18, 2018, 04:07:30 AM

Quote from: ?? on ??

What actually happened to Monero in the last two or three weeks ? The price fell by more than 20 percent. I do not think anyone expected this.

The rise was exchange hackers converting NEM to Monero and now we are back to levels where we were when they started.

Also probably fear that more exchanges might start banning Monero.

Nice FUD, More??? Please point out just one.

Your trolling Fud will only fool morons, it is obviouse you are looking to get cheap coins.

We are not fooled by your soft troll here, go back to your shitcoin scams.

Just read the article you actually already quoted.

Funny I was only replying to his reply and hadn't read the quote he was replying to, so I guess some exchange that just the Japanese use has dropped ALL Privacy coins. Thats no surprise as Japan is responding much faster than other countries in recognizing Crypto as a currency and regulating as such.

I wouldn't worry about any regulated exchange dropping monero actually, its funny because binance moved to japan to escape china's heavy hand. That is why they are opening up their own decentralized exchange. Now that will be an interesting place to trade, it should start with alot of volume which is what has hindered most decentralized ones in the past along with depending on shitty tokens to make the swap. I'm not sure if binance will use their BNB token or not but at least that one has a pretty stable price and use case.

So to answer your original question, Maybe but it doesn't matter now. It would have a few years ago but the cat is out of the bag and no amount of regulation is going to stop it.

BTW do you know what this exchange is that they setup? I'd like to try it out.

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The hackers set up a site on the darknet for trading virtual currencies and began converting the NEM coins on Feb. 7. Transactions are still being made on the website

And its pretty funny they dropped Dash because it's a privacy coin! LOL

Looks like they are doing this so they can get licensed.

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Coincheck’s application to be registered as a cryptocurrency exchange under the revised payment services law has been pending since it was submitted to the Financial Services Agency in September. The screening is taking more time than expected partly because Coincheck handles digital currencies whose owners are anonymous.

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Quote from: Fragbait on March 18, 2018, 04:07:30 AM

Quote from: ?? on ??

What actually happened to Monero in the last two or three weeks ? The price fell by more than 20 percent. I do not think anyone expected this.

The rise was exchange hackers converting NEM to Monero and now we are back to levels where we were when they started.

Also probably fear that more exchanges might start banning Monero.

Nice FUD, More??? Please point out just one.

Your trolling Fud will only fool morons, it is obviouse you are looking to get cheap coins.

We are not fooled by your soft troll here, go back to your shitcoin scams.

Just read the article you actually already quoted.

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Quote from: cAPSLOCK on March 17, 2018, 06:45:29 PM

I am all for contrarian viewpoints. But I just added the above chart magician to my ignore list. His one trick has gotten old.

Hah, welcome to the club. Tongue

Quote from: Fragbait on March 18, 2018, 04:07:30 AM

Quote from: ?? on ??

What actually happened to Monero in the last two or three weeks ? The price fell by more than 20 percent. I do not think anyone expected this.

The rise was exchange hackers converting NEM to Monero and now we are back to levels where we were when they started.

Also probably fear that more exchanges might start banning Monero.

Nice FUD, More??? Please point out just one.

Your trolling Fud will only fool morons, it is obviouse you are looking to get cheap coins.

We are not fooled by your soft troll here, go back to your shitcoin scams.

Quote from: amaral1977 on March 18, 2018, 08:00:20 AM

Quote from: solias on March 18, 2018, 06:57:49 AM

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2018/03/17/business/coincheck-stop-handling-three-virtual-currencies-give-owners-anonymity/#.Wq7BLpPwYUE

Thoughts about COINCHECK dropping privacy coins? What does your guts feel, will other exchanges follow suit?

Is there any institutional entity in the U.S. (like SEC, etc.) that could pressure U.S. exchanges to remove coins whose movements are untraceable and blockchains unreadable? If yes, what would the legal supporting arguments be, and what lawful and unlawful means could they utilize?

I can see a constitutional wall they must break before they can break one's right to privacy and one's right to run the software one wishes.

A while ago when BTC was thought to be anonymous it was the boogeyman... Now privacy coins are the target. But isn´t this the whole point? Financial freedom and struggle for individual privacy that brought us here?

That used to be the case largely but now it's mostly just for the money.

Quote from: Anon136 on March 18, 2018, 11:33:10 AM

Quote from: sp_skeptic on March 18, 2018, 09:25:08 AM

Quote from: cryptokwuk on March 18, 2018, 08:26:22 AM

Don't just blame XMV for attacking Monero, blame Monero for having a critical vulnerability. It's as much a social exploit as a technical one. The technical one makes the social attack possible in the first place. FIX THE PROTOCOL!

Hard to see how this could be done on a protocol level.

I offered a solution here https://forum.getmonero.org/6/ideas/90040/full-solution-to-ring-signature-partner-reuse-on-fork-chain Unfortunately it's being ignored by all the devs. Maybe they don't check the forum. Not sure. It would have been nice if a developer could have alteast commented on it. But w/e. I assure you that it is not an insoluble problem. This is the key.

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The idea is to alter the ring signature partner selection algorithm such that it is functionally random to any outside observer but deterministically derived from factors that both the main chain and fork chain would have in common.

They will answer you if you drop into #monero-Dev channel on freenode and drop that link. Actually, I'll do it for you right now.

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Quote from: sp_skeptic on March 18, 2018, 09:25:08 AM

Quote from: cryptokwuk on March 18, 2018, 08:26:22 AM

Don't just blame XMV for attacking Monero, blame Monero for having a critical vulnerability. It's as much a social exploit as a technical one. The technical one makes the social attack possible in the first place. FIX THE PROTOCOL!

Hard to see how this could be done on a protocol level.

I offered a solution here https://forum.getmonero.org/6/ideas/90040/full-solution-to-ring-signature-partner-reuse-on-fork-chain Unfortunately it's being ignored by all the devs. Maybe they don't check the forum. Not sure. It would have been nice if a developer could have alteast commented on it. But w/e. I assure you that it is not an insoluble problem. This is the key.

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The idea is to alter the ring signature partner selection algorithm such that it is functionally random to any outside observer but deterministically derived from factors that both the main chain and fork chain would have in common.

*edit* Never mind.

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Quote from: sp_skeptic on March 18, 2018, 09:25:08 AM

... Anyone can fork, and how can you prevent people exposing their private keys to the new fork if they want to?

That depends entirely on the protocol, we have a few cryptos that are fundamentally impossible to fork.

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I have been holding Monero for a long time, at the beginning I was glad when its price grew. But now I'm very upset like many investors, I wonder how long this fall will continue! Huh

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Quote from: sp_skeptic on March 18, 2018, 09:25:08 AM

Quote from: cryptokwuk on March 18, 2018, 08:26:22 AM

After the MoneroV fork Monero will be as "anonymous" as Bitcoin.

The few people that don't claim their MoneroV and cash out will be left with both compromised Monero holdings and an ever sinking market value.

For anybody thinking that it's 'smart' not to claim XMV... Wat is smart is to have a protocol where this kind of attack isn't even possible. Don't just blame XMV for attacking Monero, blame Monero for having a critical vulnerability. It's as much a social exploit as a technical one. The technical one makes the social attack possible in the first place. FIX THE PROTOCOL!

Hard to see how this could be done on a protocol level. Anyone can fork, and how can you prevent people exposing their private keys to the new fork if they want to?

I will move my Monero to a new wallet just before the fork, and the original Monero to another new wallet just after. That should solve the problem for me. Of course, many won't bother to do this.

As to the key image attack, there were several mitigations that were discussed and one that I believe has been approved on github and should be included in the upcoming release. To say the Dev team and/or community is doing nothing is false.
Talking about PR 3322.

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Quote from: cryptokwuk on March 18, 2018, 08:26:22 AM

After the MoneroV fork Monero will be as "anonymous" as Bitcoin.

The few people that don't claim their MoneroV and cash out will be left with both compromised Monero holdings and an ever sinking market value.

For anybody thinking that it's 'smart' not to claim XMV... Wat is smart is to have a protocol where this kind of attack isn't even possible. Don't just blame XMV for attacking Monero, blame Monero for having a critical vulnerability. It's as much a social exploit as a technical one. The technical one makes the social attack possible in the first place. FIX THE PROTOCOL!

Hard to see how this could be done on a protocol level. Anyone can fork, and how can you prevent people exposing their private keys to the new fork if they want to?

I will move my Monero to a new wallet just before the fork, and the original Monero to another new wallet just after. That should solve the problem for me. Of course, many won't bother to do this.

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Quote from: amaral1977 on March 18, 2018, 08:00:20 AM

Quote from: solias on March 18, 2018, 06:57:49 AM

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2018/03/17/business/coincheck-stop-handling-three-virtual-currencies-give-owners-anonymity/#.Wq7BLpPwYUE

Thoughts about COINCHECK dropping privacy coins? What does your guts feel, will other exchanges follow suit?

Is there any institutional entity in the U.S. (like SEC, etc.) that could pressure U.S. exchanges to remove coins whose movements are untraceable and blockchains unreadable? If yes, what would the legal supporting arguments be, and what lawful and unlawful means could they utilize?

I can see a constitutional wall they must break before they can break one's right to privacy and one's right to run the software one wishes.

A while ago when BTC was thought to be anonymous it was the boogeyman... Now privacy coins are the target. But isn´t this the whole point? Financial freedom and struggle for individual privacy that brought us here?

In the US, I believe the pressure would generally come from FinCEN, SEC and the tax man - I imagine they'd be arguing KYC, exchanges follow existing security laws and pay your taxes.
The bigger exchanges in the US should be able to handle this.

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Quote from: solias on March 18, 2018, 06:57:49 AM

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2018/03/17/business/coincheck-stop-handling-three-virtual-currencies-give-owners-anonymity/#.Wq7BLpPwYUE

Thoughts about COINCHECK dropping privacy coins? What does your guts feel, will other exchanges follow suit?

Stop handling currencies will not help them much. They should focus on the security. If you have service where you hold others peoples money you need to put a lot of your effort to secure that money.

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After the MoneroV fork Monero will be as "anonymous" as Bitcoin.

The few people that don't claim their MoneroV and cash out will be left with both compromised Monero holdings and an ever sinking market value.

For anybody thinking that it's 'smart' not to claim XMV... Wat is smart is to have a protocol where this kind of attack isn't even possible. Don't just blame XMV for attacking Monero, blame Monero for having a critical vulnerability. It's as much a social exploit as a technical one. The technical one makes the social attack possible in the first place. FIX THE PROTOCOL!

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Quote from: solias on March 18, 2018, 06:57:49 AM

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2018/03/17/business/coincheck-stop-handling-three-virtual-currencies-give-owners-anonymity/#.Wq7BLpPwYUE

Thoughts about COINCHECK dropping privacy coins? What does your guts feel, will other exchanges follow suit?

Is there any institutional entity in the U.S. (like SEC, etc.) that could pressure U.S. exchanges to remove coins whose movements are untraceable and blockchains unreadable? If yes, what would the legal supporting arguments be, and what lawful and unlawful means could they utilize?

I can see a constitutional wall they must break before they can break one's right to privacy and one's right to run the software one wishes.

A while ago when BTC was thought to be anonymous it was the boogeyman... Now privacy coins are the target. But isn´t this the whole point? Financial freedom and struggle for individual privacy that brought us here?

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https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2018/03/17/business/coincheck-stop-handling-three-virtual-currencies-give-owners-anonymity/#.Wq7BLpPwYUE

Thoughts about COINCHECK dropping privacy coins? What does your guts feel, will other exchanges follow suit?

Is there any institutional entity in the U.S. (like SEC, etc.) that could pressure U.S. exchanges to remove coins whose movements are untraceable and blockchains unreadable? If yes, what would the legal supporting arguments be, and what lawful and unlawful means could they utilize?

I can see a constitutional wall they must break before they can break one's right to privacy and one's right to run the software one wishes.

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Quote from: Raja_MBZ on March 18, 2018, 04:21:24 AM

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What actually happened to Monero in the last two or three weeks ? The price fell by more than 20 percent. I do not think anyone expected this.

Have you checked out coinmarketcap.com lately? Have you tried noticing the dark red color of whole market there?

I'm still amazed at how myopia doesn't let people pull charts out from more than 6 months or read more than one listing on CMC--they just see whatever confirms their bias and go, "Welp that's my research, look how well I proved that!"

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Quote from: Fragbait on March 18, 2018, 04:07:30 AM

Quote from: ?? on ??

What actually happened to Monero in the last two or three weeks ? The price fell by more than 20 percent. I do not think anyone expected this.

The rise was exchange hackers converting NEM to Monero and now we are back to levels where we were when they started.

Also probably fear that more exchanges might start banning Monero.

“Banning Monero”

Lol

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What actually happened to Monero in the last two or three weeks ? The price fell by more than 20 percent. I do not think anyone expected this.

Have you checked out coinmarketcap.com lately? Have you tried noticing the dark red color of whole market there?

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Quote from: ?? on ??

What actually happened to Monero in the last two or three weeks ? The price fell by more than 20 percent. I do not think anyone expected this.

The rise was exchange hackers converting NEM to Monero and now we are back to levels where we were when they started.

Also probably fear that more exchanges might start banning Monero.

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