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Topic: [XMR] Monero Speculation - page 317. (Read 3314316 times)

legendary
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March 25, 2018, 12:50:31 PM
How far along are multi-signature addresses in Monero? Judging by this pull request, I would assume they are already operational by using the CLI wallet? https://github.com/monero-project/monero/pull/3489

Multi-sig will enable Monero p2p FIAT on/off ramps and DEXs, and I think it is important to enable developers to create such (seeing as though regulators are stepping up their enforcement efforts and authoritative bravado.)

Multisig (both N/N and N-1/N) will be included in the next release (0.12), which is targeted to be released next week.
legendary
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In Cryptocoins I Trust
March 25, 2018, 12:20:53 PM
How far along are multi-signature addresses in Monero? Judging by this pull request, I would assume they are already operational by using the CLI wallet? https://github.com/monero-project/monero/pull/3489

Multi-sig will enable Monero p2p FIAT on/off ramps and DEXs, and I think it is important to enable developers to create such (seeing as though regulators are stepping up their enforcement efforts and authoritative bravado.)
full member
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March 25, 2018, 01:45:09 AM
This is good for Monero. More blacklisted Bitcoin addresses. Peopple will start looking for alternative cryptos.

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The Office of Foreign Asset Control (OFAC) announced on March 19 that it was considering including digital currency addresses associated with its list of persons and entities with whom U.S. persons and businesses are forbidden to transact business.

https://www.coindesk.com/goodbye-fungibility-ofacs-bitcoin-blacklist-remake-crypto/


Coindesk has even mentioned Monero in the article. Of cource along zcash. The "secure" coin of their own? There is just a little mistake in the article.

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What about privacy-enabled coins like zcash or monero?

Expect an uptick in support, development, and usage of these tokens, and an uptick in their usage in their privacy-enabled mode.

Monero has no privacy enabled mode. It is private by default.

hero member
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Keep what's important, and know who's your friend
March 24, 2018, 10:35:10 PM


I am not really sure what you mean by explodes. I speculate you mean here a next crysis and all stock markets drastically fall and governments again need to bail out banks.


I think when that happen, crypto will suffer the same. Actually will suffer much more. But in Crypto language (10% daily drops and raise) it will be same as old economy. But then when crysiss will come to its peak and politicians will start argue how to get out of it best suddenly  crypto will look to part of political spectre and part of population best option to continue long term.

This is how I see it. And till a year ago I thought we will need 2 financial crisis to reach this point. Now I am pretty sure it will happen in the upcoming financial crisis.


And Monero will step out at that time as one of shiniest coins.

This is what I assumed as well.

Yeah that's what I meant.  But more like I hope the market crashes to a point where people can see the 'kicking the can down the road' method the Federal Reserve so graciously does for us peasants doesn't work.  I feel like this has to be talked about at some point in time... can't expect any functional economy without sound money
legendary
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Doomed to see the future and unable to prevent it
March 24, 2018, 02:58:39 PM
So I'm curious how everyone views BTC, XMR, etc. correlating with the global economy... For some reason it seems to be following the DOW at least.  To me it seems to make sense... the more people are feeling confident in the economy, people tend to be willing to throw their money around and into investments, and therefore cryptos (because people view cryptocurrencies as 'risky' investments).

Does anyone here have any money in the market?  Also am I the only one who hopes the market explodes, even though I do have a 401(k) I'm throwing money at?

Well certainly the futures market is now effecting movement, nothing like being able to short something without buying it to drive it's price down, fucking bankers.

I'd love to see the "conventional" market explode as I think a lot of capitol will run to CC.



Hey I'm going to predict the bottom. I bet Monero will meet a lot of resistance at 0.02 and Bitcoin will meet a lot of resistance at 6000. So 0.02*6000=120. Let's see how close I get. Someone quote this post someday if I get it right.

done.

Shit forgot to warn you guys, I put a long in @ .0244 that should mean no reversal in sight for at least the weekend! Cheesy



Are we getting to that point?

Never did end up margin trading

I believe

The price on polo is usually cheaper than binance so i'm buying my little bits a week on there now and since they have the margin I just can't help myself. Smiley

As long as I can withdraw in CC without doing the KYC I can live with polo, I forgot what the deadline is though.


I am not really sure what you mean by explodes. I speculate you mean here a next crysis and all stock markets drastically fall and governments again need to bail out banks.


I think when that happen, crypto will suffer the same. Actually will suffer much more. But in Crypto language (10% daily drops and raise) it will be same as old economy. But then when crysiss will come to its peak and politicians will start argue how to get out of it best suddenly  crypto will look to part of political spectre and part of population best option to continue long term.

This is how I see it. And till a year ago I thought we will need 2 financial crisis to reach this point. Now I am pretty sure it will happen in the upcoming financial crisis.


And Monero will step out at that time as one of shiniest coins.

This is what I assumed as well.
legendary
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March 24, 2018, 01:25:32 PM
So I'm curious how everyone views BTC, XMR, etc. correlating with the global economy... For some reason it seems to be following the DOW at least.  To me it seems to make sense... the more people are feeling confident in the economy, people tend to be willing to throw their money around and into investments, and therefore cryptos (because people view cryptocurrencies as 'risky' investments).

Does anyone here have any money in the market?  Also am I the only one who hopes the market explodes, even though I do have a 401(k) I'm throwing money at?

I am not really sure what you mean by explodes. I speculate you mean here a next crysis and all stock markets drastically fall and governments again need to bail out banks.


I think when that happen, crypto will suffer the same. Actually will suffer much more. But in Crypto language (10% daily drops and raise) it will be same as old economy. But then when crysiss will come to its peak and politicians will start argue how to get out of it best suddenly  crypto will look to part of political spectre and part of population best option to continue long term.

This is how I see it. And till a year ago I thought we will need 2 financial crisis to reach this point. Now I am pretty sure it will happen in the upcoming financial crisis.


And Monero will step out at that time as one of shiniest coins.
legendary
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Sine secretum non libertas
March 24, 2018, 10:34:30 AM
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Bob occasionally sells some illicit stuff on the darknet markets and used his proceeds to buy the painting. As a result, Alice gets flagged by Coinbase for trying to sell "tainted" coins.

It doesn't have to be illicit or illegal.  DNMs broker many lawful transactions. There seems to be a presumption of guilt in operation.
legendary
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Free spirit
March 23, 2018, 06:07:13 PM
Hey I'm going to predict the bottom. I bet Monero will meet a lot of resistance at 0.02 and Bitcoin will meet a lot of resistance at 6000. So 0.02*6000=120. Let's see how close I get. Someone quote this post someday if I get it right.

done.

Shit forgot to warn you guys, I put a long in @ .0244 that should mean no reversal in sight for at least the weekend! Cheesy



Are we getting to that point?

Never did end up margin trading

I believe
hero member
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Keep what's important, and know who's your friend
March 23, 2018, 02:48:07 PM
So I'm curious how everyone views BTC, XMR, etc. correlating with the global economy... For some reason it seems to be following the DOW at least.  To me it seems to make sense... the more people are feeling confident in the economy, people tend to be willing to throw their money around and into investments, and therefore cryptos (because people view cryptocurrencies as 'risky' investments).

Does anyone here have any money in the market?  Also am I the only one who hopes the market explodes, even though I do have a 401(k) I'm throwing money at?
legendary
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Doomed to see the future and unable to prevent it
March 23, 2018, 02:08:48 PM
Hey I'm going to predict the bottom. I bet Monero will meet a lot of resistance at 0.02 and Bitcoin will meet a lot of resistance at 6000. So 0.02*6000=120. Let's see how close I get. Someone quote this post someday if I get it right.

done.

Shit forgot to warn you guys, I put a long in @ .0244 that should mean no reversal in sight for at least the weekend! Cheesy

legendary
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March 23, 2018, 12:26:59 PM
Stolen Bitcoin Tracing - Computerphile

Relaying a post from /r/Monero.  Reminder why optional publicity is important.

Quoting concerns in the comments section:


Rik Wisselink 1 hour ago
Isn't there a large risk of punishing innocent people? If you sell a hotdog to a maffioso and let him pay with bitcoin, should your money be voided?


I posted this example in 2015 (I still use it):

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A more concrete example:

Let's say Alice sells a painting on OpenBazaar that is bought by Bob. Alice assumes Bob is a law abiding citizin and thus sends her BTC to Coinbase to exchange them for US dollars. However, what Alice didn't know is that Bob isn't the law abiding citizen that she thought he was. That is, Bob occasionally sells some illicit stuff on the darknet markets and used his proceeds to buy the painting. As a result, Alice gets flagged by Coinbase for trying to sell "tainted" coins.

A salient issue of Bitcoin's lack of fungibility is that law abiding citizens can be implicated fairly trivially, as shown by aforementioned examples.
legendary
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Sine secretum non libertas
March 23, 2018, 11:06:45 AM
If you are threatened by Bitcoin, then the answer is yes.  If you are not, then the answer is no.
newbie
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March 23, 2018, 10:18:07 AM
Stolen Bitcoin Tracing - Computerphile

Relaying a post from /r/Monero.  Reminder why optional publicity is important.

Quoting concerns in the comments section:


Rik Wisselink 1 hour ago
Isn't there a large risk of punishing innocent people? If you sell a hotdog to a maffioso and let him pay with bitcoin, should your money be voided?
hero member
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Keep what's important, and know who's your friend
March 23, 2018, 09:33:15 AM
Stolen Bitcoin Tracing - Computerphile

Relaying a post from /r/Monero.  Reminder why optional publicity is important.
legendary
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March 23, 2018, 12:08:05 AM
Hey I'm going to predict the bottom. I bet Monero will meet a lot of resistance at 0.02 and Bitcoin will meet a lot of resistance at 6000. So 0.02*6000=120. Let's see how close I get. Someone quote this post someday if I get it right.
legendary
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Doomed to see the future and unable to prevent it
March 22, 2018, 11:43:18 PM
I speculate my coins on binance will get frozen! Cheesy
newbie
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March 22, 2018, 10:42:41 PM
 Grin Grin Grin

[MARKETING LIST] Ways you can help increase Monero's Growth & Adoption

1) Mention Monero via "word of mouth"

2) Youtube (or Video marketing)

3) Graphic design – create new Monero Logos & Imagery

4) Spread Monero Stickers, images (or Posters) around your locality

5) Stamp Monero marketing campaign (https://stampmonero.com)

6) Wear Monero Merchandise (T-shirts, Hats etc.)

7)  On your social media and gaming accounts: change your username & profile pictures to a Monero alias (Youtube, Facebook, Reddit, Twitch, watsapp, Twitter, Steam etc.)

8 ) Post high quality articles & content across online communities & forums that educate and inform others about Monero

9) Attend local Monero meet-ups (or events)

10) Contact Websites & Media to request they contribute to Monero's coverage

11) Protect Monero's REPUTATION (privacy is NOT a crime)

12) Target Wealthy Investors (ULTRA HIGH NET WORTH)

 Grin Grin Grin
jr. member
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March 22, 2018, 04:30:49 PM

As always, an articulate and intriguing read.

I still believe XMR is a good future hold, have you any thoughts on whether BTC+Layer2 will be 'enough' privacy and erode the XMR value prop?

Aminorex has shared his opinion on this point on several occasions, particularly eloquently here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.24387647. Of course, I would also welcome any additional insights.
legendary
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HODL
March 22, 2018, 04:03:29 PM
I call these the Wuhan dumps.  They are sure lot's of fun.



It's fun only for those people who understand the meaning of these games in crypto. Beginners is in panic from such falls for sure. However I'm sure that many traders could earn with this type of market.
member
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March 22, 2018, 06:21:07 AM
... G20 news.

I thought that XMR was way more resilient to regulations. Unfortunately correlation works both ways, up and down

Short-term correlations do not always correlate with long-term correlations.  Crypto is somewhat like the broad equity or bond market, and all varieties correlate with Bitcoin for many immediate impulses, because so much accounting is done with Bitcoin numeraire, just as alpha-seeking is done with reference to a broad index. Within crypto there are sectors, such as contract- focussed or PoS, or various hash algos, for which both psychological and fundamental factors cause increased correlations in their impulse response to some triggering events. But in the long run, the small but persistent fundamental factors drive dispersion, as each stock (or alt) is driven pseudo-randomly by short-term factors of high correlation, but consistently and monotonically by long-term fundamental factors which differentiate it from it's "peers", and do not correlate.

Monero is unlike its "peers" because it has moneyness in spades. A tighter regulatory regime will cause a price shock, but if your time preference is long-term, it will not matter.  The same contraction which drives the price down short-term will only drive the price up in the long run.  The privacy sector will suffer shocks, but they will only serve to expose the fundamental factors which create demand for privacy, and discriminate Monero as the highest quality private currency (in terms of factors that matter:  liquidity, usability, and antifragility).

Gold is a larger, more integrated part of the economy (compared to crypto), moving on scales of decades and centuries.  How successful were Keynes, Roosevelt, Nixon, and Mao in suppressing the price and/or global trade in gold? How successful was the London gold pool?  In the short-term their actions shocked the market.  In the long run, they are history while gold persists, and inexorably rises in price.  Monero is much, much more like gold (but faster) than are it's "peers", which are more like the North Korean Won, or Theranos shares.

In fact, I contend that the crypto which is amenable to surveillance and central control will lose value in the long run, simply because it is surveilled and controlled - and not to your benefit - while the more decentralized and private crypto will experience consistent, persistent demand which inexorably pushes the price up.  A smack-down punch can take the price arbitrarily low, but the inexorable forces of demand will continue.  In fact, even in the near-term, the smacks just cause corresponding spikes later because they encourage speculators to enter.

Surveillance and centralized control serve the surveillor and controller, but privacy serves the users of the currency, and thus the denominated economy.  Hence the free economy will inexorably grow and produce wealth, while the slave economy founders and creates poverty.  We have seen this repeatedly throughout history.  So vivid is this lesson that Will Durant considers it the first and foremost "lesson of history”: There is and endless cycle in alternating ascendance of the forces of accumulation and centralization, on the one hand, and the forces of distribution and liberty on the other.


As always, an articulate and intriguing read.

I still believe XMR is a good future hold, have you any thoughts on whether BTC+Layer2 will be 'enough' privacy and erode the XMR value prop?
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