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October 02, 2017, 09:25:13 AM
Roll Eyes How many times have we seen this script played out before?

1. Massive amounts of good-news incoming for Monero development (and everyone knows it)
2. ZCash/Dash/whatever-the-fuck-other pretender to the throne freaks out
3. Sudden appearance of articles in controlled media plugging the other and dissing Monero
4. Accompanied by tweets, blog posts, etc by "credible figures" supporting the above
5. Temporary drop or just "stagnation" in Monero value

...but then, finally...

6. The good-news from #1 above ends up actually being true
7. Development plays out as planned in XMR: Monero improves, yet again, as expected
8. Monero price spikes up in yet another "mini mooning" and (unlike all other P&D's) STICKS THERE permanently

9. Rinse and Repeat  Grin
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Chosŏn Minjujuŭi Inmin Konghwaguk
October 02, 2017, 08:40:56 AM
Zcash FUD against Monero will ramp up over the next several weeks. I'm targeting somewhere between .014-.016 as a bottom.

Nah I think their pump and dump is about to end in few days.
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October 02, 2017, 08:39:26 AM
Zcash FUD against Monero will ramp up over the next several weeks. I'm targeting somewhere between .014-.016 as a bottom.
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Chosŏn Minjujuŭi Inmin Konghwaguk
October 02, 2017, 06:27:33 AM
Monero is now the preferred method of payment for illegal items on the deepweb and most silk road equivalents, I think that this will have a direct effect on the price and how much it will be worth in the future. I mean the whole selling point of this coin is anonymity and it worked to the tune of $90 per XMR, not to mention that it's 1:1 CPU to GPU, making it one of the only CPU mineable coins, it'll bounce above $150, as long as bad press is kept on the down low.

Please more bad press, I'm loving it.
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October 02, 2017, 06:16:00 AM
Monero is now the preferred method of payment for illegal items on the deepweb and most silk road equivalents, I think that this will have a direct effect on the price and how much it will be worth in the future. I mean the whole selling point of this coin is anonymity and it worked to the tune of $90 per XMR, not to mention that it's 1:1 CPU to GPU, making it one of the only CPU mineable coins, it'll bounce above $150, as long as bad press is kept on the down low.
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October 02, 2017, 05:51:31 AM

... and 1 XMR should be worth about 30k USD2012


I assume that's last two digits reversed and your crystal ball is saying we can reach this Nirvana by the year 2021...?  Or otherwise what's the projected timescale approximately?

If indeed 2021...? Then, damn son... that's gonna be quick!

Guess I'd better start shopping around for my Private Caribbean Island now, since it'll probably require at least a couple years searching to really find the best one!  Grin

I mean constant-value USD as of 2012.  It may be 300k USD2021 by the time a long-term equilibrium is reached.  I don't speculate on the future value of USD, just XMR

That's cryptocurrency dirty talk, right there. I sometimes think that aminorex is the Henry Miller of Monero.
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October 02, 2017, 05:01:58 AM
Personally I think XMR > ETH in 1 year, XMR > BTC in 5 years.  That's my primary time-scale.

I can see XMR going past ETH in a year, but I'm not really too sure about XMR > BTC in 5 years. Remember back in the spring when ETH had the monster pump and it seemed like The Flippening was going to happen? Never did.

BTC for all of its flaws still has the network effect. And as we see in companies like Google, Facebook, and Twitter, having a network effect on your side means that you can dominate the landscape even if your product is subpar.

Let's set more realistic target. I hope the XMR can surpass Dash in a year.
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October 01, 2017, 10:57:30 PM
dw im long on monero too but so farm im averaging down daily

just wondered about the optimism in here


Te optimism is from being here so long and watching this project progress, there is no alt community of devs that even comes close to the professionalism (as a whole Tongue FP), capabilities nor integrity of this team. Period

Just read this if you want to see the veiws of this team and how they protect the community even when we don't know they are doing it!

https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/85


Man, that was interesting. Thanks for sharing. I'm so glad Smooth is on the team. And I love seeing the discussion.
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October 01, 2017, 10:00:28 PM
woo looks like it will take long for xmr to hit 130 again
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October 01, 2017, 08:57:44 PM
so many people mining monero right now.. (include browser mining) this coin skyrocket its popularity so does with the price.. what next? will it beat eth in the future?

ETH and XMR are not even competitors but yes I would expect within 5 years on the outside Monero will be #2 Cap and Eth will have pulled another boner that will cost it a huge portion of cap.

you are all so positive about xmr and yet its tanking for weeks already

btc_xmr almost at 0.02 again

These are called buying opportunities, you will regret not taking advantage mark my words. Smiley
dw im long on monero too but so farm im averaging down daily

just wondered about the optimism in here


Te optimism is from being here so long and watching this project progress, there is no alt community of devs that even comes close to the professionalism (as a whole Tongue FP), capabilities nor integrity of this team. Period

Just read this if you want to see the veiws of this team and how they protect the community even when we don't know they are doing it!

https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/85



Personally I think XMR > ETH in 1 year, XMR > BTC in 5 years.  That's my primary time-scale.

I can see XMR going past ETH in a year, but I'm not really too sure about XMR > BTC in 5 years. Remember back in the spring when ETH had the monster pump and it seemed like The Flippening was going to happen? Never did.

BTC for all of its flaws still has the network effect. And as we see in companies like Google, Facebook, and Twitter, having a network effect on your side means that you can dominate the landscape even if your product is subpar.

There will be 'that moment' when the sheeple discover the hard way what fungibility is.  There is sub-par, and then there is catastrophically flawed.  The pace is picking up, but it seems to be like the frog in the pot.  Most will just boil.

Very true, I foresee (and always have) XMR as becoming adopted by the consumer while BTC moves more to a store of wealth and all the regulations that come with it.




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It's called Long-Term Investor point of view as opposed to short-term day-trader aka gambling point of view.

Is it really so hard to understand optimism of HODLers who bought their XMR at $7.00 (or $0.70 cents... or really even at $70.00?) who see today's price still nearly $100... and who believe an actual true fair market value will soon enough be above $10,000 per coin... seriously not CARING that the price is down a bit from a recent peak near $150-ish?

If/When you really understand exactly what Monero IS, and what it really MEANS... *then* these short-term price moves become just meaningless static white-noise.

The only sensible thing to do, at all, really... is just buy and hold as much as you can manage. At ANY price.

QFT.
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October 01, 2017, 08:22:06 PM

just wondered about the optimism in here


It's called Long-Term Investor point of view as opposed to short-term day-trader aka gambling point of view.

Is it really so hard to understand optimism of HODLers who bought their XMR at $7.00 (or $0.70 cents... or really even at $70.00?) who see today's price still nearly $100... and who believe an actual true fair market value will soon enough be above $10,000 per coin... seriously not CARING that the price is down a bit from a recent peak near $150-ish?

If/When you really understand exactly what Monero IS, and what it really MEANS... *then* these short-term price moves become just meaningless static white-noise.

The only sensible thing to do, at all, really... is just buy and hold as much as you can manage. At ANY price.
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October 01, 2017, 08:07:49 PM
Personally I think XMR > ETH in 1 year, XMR > BTC in 5 years.  That's my primary time-scale.

I can see XMR going past ETH in a year, but I'm not really too sure about XMR > BTC in 5 years. Remember back in the spring when ETH had the monster pump and it seemed like The Flippening was going to happen? Never did.

BTC for all of its flaws still has the network effect. And as we see in companies like Google, Facebook, and Twitter, having a network effect on your side means that you can dominate the landscape even if your product is subpar.

There will be 'that moment' when the sheeple discover the hard way what fungibility is.  There is sub-par, and then there is catastrophically flawed.  The pace is picking up, but it seems to be like the frog in the pot.  Most will just boil.
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October 01, 2017, 07:31:32 PM
Personally I think XMR > ETH in 1 year, XMR > BTC in 5 years.  That's my primary time-scale.

I can see XMR going past ETH in a year, but I'm not really too sure about XMR > BTC in 5 years. Remember back in the spring when ETH had the monster pump and it seemed like The Flippening was going to happen? Never did.

BTC for all of its flaws still has the network effect. And as we see in companies like Google, Facebook, and Twitter, having a network effect on your side means that you can dominate the landscape even if your product is subpar.
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October 01, 2017, 05:45:48 PM
so many people mining monero right now.. (include browser mining) this coin skyrocket its popularity so does with the price.. what next? will it beat eth in the future?

ETH and XMR are not even competitors but yes I would expect within 5 years on the outside Monero will be #2 Cap and Eth will have pulled another boner that will cost it a huge portion of cap.

you are all so positive about xmr and yet its tanking for weeks already

btc_xmr almost at 0.02 again

These are called buying opportunities, you will regret not taking advantage mark my words. Smiley
dw im long on monero too but so farm im averaging down daily

just wondered about the optimism in here
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October 01, 2017, 05:42:26 PM
so many people mining monero right now.. (include browser mining) this coin skyrocket its popularity so does with the price.. what next? will it beat eth in the future?

ETH and XMR are not even competitors but yes I would expect within 5 years on the outside Monero will be #2 Cap and Eth will have pulled another boner that will cost it a huge portion of cap.

you are all so positive about xmr and yet its tanking for weeks already

btc_xmr almost at 0.02 again

These are called buying opportunities, you will regret not taking advantage mark my words. Smiley
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October 01, 2017, 05:38:16 PM
you are all so positive about xmr and yet its tanking for weeks already

btc_xmr almost at 0.02 again
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October 01, 2017, 05:02:25 PM
so many people mining monero right now.. (include browser mining) this coin skyrocket its popularity so does with the price.. what next? will it beat eth in the future?

Scroll up a bit. There have been plenty of posts  about this kind of speculation. I like the post where Aminorex informs us of our retirement year:) Something about surpassing ETH and then BTC:) With serenity and for me with some diversity, but with a strong aim on staking up XMR.
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October 01, 2017, 04:13:18 PM
so many people mining monero right now.. (include browser mining) this coin skyrocket its popularity so does with the price.. what next? will it beat eth in the future?
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October 01, 2017, 01:55:03 PM

S.O.P. for Monero.
Look at what just happened.  Early August, XMR lost about a third of its value in less than a week.  Bet you were discouraged then, too.  Guess what?  Super bear trap.
Immediately the xmr/btc exchange rate proceeded to triple in a matter of days.
Don't let Composite Man psych you out.
Feel like selling?  May be your chance to buy.
I get pretty annoyed myself at the way the price seems to move with the deliberate attention of faking you out or just pissing you off totally.
Yeah, it goes down like a lead balloon at times.  Look at what happens if you hold on, though.

Yeah, I've been around for a while...  I'm familiar with the way XMR can be very fickle from a speculation perspective.

It is what it is, and at times it is tiresome.

But emotions are exactly as fickle as markets.  I've learned to keep them in check.  I can control emotions even if I cannot markets.  But I will not pretend I do not believe XMR is exceedingly undervalued against XBT and the current value of USD.

This just reminded me of this 10/10 post by the legendary AmericanPegasus two years ago; this kept me from doing stupid things when I was just getting introduced to crypto after I stumbled on /r/Monero... hopefully it will prevent some people from doing potentially stupid things right now.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/3mwx9g/if_you_want_to_understand_how_to_make_money/

Quote from: AmericanPegasus
In my early 20's, my primary goal in life had fully transitioned into "get laid" (like a good biological member of my species). At the time, there was no Tinder and online dating was seen as the habitat of the lowest of the low.

What was the Tinder of 2005? The club scene. (stay with me, we have a point here).

At my favorite club there was a sign at the front, "Don't be a sheep; NO ONE is busy at 10pm. Have a seat, have a drink, and be patient." I always admired this sign, and as me and my buddy Ramon navigated the complex world of convincing women in clubs that you were worth sleeping with, we were inadvertently learning game theory.

You see, on any given weekend night there is a certain amount of people that are going to "go out". This includes all manner of people and you really can't exert much control over how many people decide to 'go out' in a large enough city. This is best related to how much 'fiat' decides to enter the cryptocurrency universe. That's pretty much outside any individual speculators ability to control: you just have to hope that conditions slowly swell so that your city is an attractive place that people will want to party.

What can we control? We can control what bar we go to, and we can control how we present ourselves.

It's 9:30 pm: where are you headed? Let's extend the analogy a little bit: pretend all the clubs (you would actually want to party at) have a bouncer out front. To get into this club you're going to have to expend either money to bribe him or time to wait in line. The amount of effort/expense it takes to get through the door is a function of how busy and happening that particular club is.

Now let's say you want to win this 'game' by being seen as 'king of the club'. How do you do this? You come correct (wearing nice clothes). You accurately speculate about where the 'sheep' will flock to once the night kicks off in full swing. And you establish a respected and winning presence there early.

You do not (as that wonderful sign suggested) run from club to club wondering which one will get busy first. You don't care about flirting from asset to asset: your only concern is to position yourself properly in a winning one. The fundamentals will come into play: is this a place that, despite being currently pretty empty, will likely be attractive to lots of people once the night gets kicking? If so, that's where you set up your base. Get a table for cheap/free since there's no one there (remember, we win this particular game by being seen as important even though we are not) and get friendly with the staff since you have time to spare. If you really want to elevate your game, invite a few other people from your social network to hang out there with you - buzz builds buzz.

You might be wrong - that's the downside of taking risks. But if you make good decisions you will almost certainly be better off than the sheep who flirts from experience to experience trying to find the 'right one'. That sheep will spend more time in line (or money bribing their way past) than they will actually bathing in their prize.

So what's my tl;dr point here?

It's 10:00 dude. None of the clubs are busy right now. So get a fucking table, and get to know the bartender. Enjoy yourself before the crowds arrive, because it's gonna be one hell of a night and you do not want to be stuck in that line outside once this place gets in full swing.

I have read this post too in the past : sound, insightfull post with a very well chosen analogy.
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October 01, 2017, 12:27:36 PM
the winner-take-all approach to block rewards. I don't have a solution

As I understand it, ETH handles this by giving a (reduced) reward to "uncles" mined before the winner is commited. It is a significant decentralizing influence, AFAICT.  Personally, I think that being a viable CPU coin saves XMR from centralization of mining.  The barrier to entry for browser mining is so low, any moderately competent user of enscripten can roll one in a few hours.  I would be surprised if there wasn't one on GitHub already, in fact.
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