[XMR] Monero Speculation - page 678.

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Quote from: TheFuzzStone on June 21, 2017, 10:22:16 AM

Dear Monero-community, I hope this won't be useful for anyone, but...

If you will have some problems with Bittrex and you will open some ticket for support, you can choose two ways:

1. Waiting few weeks for a response;

2. Go into Bittrex-slack. Founded some very good feedbacks that problems were resolved within half an hour.

Thank you for sharing this.. I'm waiting a response since Friday (for a problem with my deposit) but maybe I have to choose the second way!

Anyway, when will finish this accumulation phase for Monero? I don't get how is possible that is stuck between 0.017-0.021 since April. This coin has huge potential, more than other pumped alt in these last months.

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Quote from: nioc on June 21, 2017, 09:32:27 AM

Oh boy! Dao and masternodes!!
When monroe gonna be that?
Waiting for announcement....

Come on. Let's at least finish the ICO before we start announcing masternodes and a DAO for Romero.

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Quote from: KeyJockey on June 21, 2017, 10:30:39 AM

Quote from: TrueCryptonaire on June 21, 2017, 10:02:48 AM

What is the issue with premine/instamine etc?

LOL. Just LOL

Quote from: TrueCryptonaire on June 21, 2017, 10:02:48 AM

I do not get it despite I have tried to understand it for a couple of years.....

Perhaps my IQ ~~of over 100~~ of under 80 is not capable to grasp the problem with it....?

FTFY

Are these all the arguments you can give against premines, instamines etc?

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Quote from: TrueCryptonaire on June 21, 2017, 09:57:36 AM

Dash has a community, and bear in mind, the sign of the community is not how many trolls are writing online.

Dash is a professional project that have people working for it and they get paid, so what?

Monero is guys trading with Aminorex and circle jerking each other and nobody gets paid (perhaps Aminorex and a few others that are trading on Poloniex). Nothing wrong with people buying/selling from/to Aminorex but besides 1-2 vendors having occassional sales on Alphabay with Monero (probably annually 10-20 K usd worth of illegal stuff sold in Monero?) the usage of Monero is very limited.

I think buying FUCKs from Risto on Crypto Kingdom is bigger use case of Monero than buying stuff on Alphabay - correct me if I am wrong here. Does anyone have any statistics how much there is FUCKs selling on annual basis...?

I am 100% sure that you are not that crazy to believe what you're actually writing.
You know beter that Monero is way ahead of Dash and cannot even compare both communities in terms of quality.

Monero is great , it could be and will be much greater in future but for now i don't even think about selling and i bought at 1-5$ range. So stfu pls

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Quote from: TrueCryptonaire on June 21, 2017, 11:01:29 AM

Quote from: rangedriver on June 21, 2017, 10:21:39 AM

Quote from: TrueCryptonaire on June 21, 2017, 09:57:36 AM

Dash has a community, and bear in mind, the sign of the community is not how many trolls are writing online.

Dash has the community equivalence of a freeway service area. That is to say on the surface it has the look and feel of a small town, but when you actually take a look around, the majority of its 'citizens' are either there temporarily (speculators) or simply are employees paid to be there; to operate the gas pumps, to keep the tiny streets clean, the logos polished, and the coffee and donuts flowing with a smile. It has no actual genuine citizens.

Monero on the other hand has the population of a small city. It isn't a product or a corporation. People are not being paid to live here. Sure it can be a little bit dirty at times. But it is is a movement defined by the enthusiasm of it's underlying social fabric, the political protections of it's underlying technological fabric, and the potential opportunities afforded by its speculative fabric.

You can't compare a product to a movement. It would be like comparing McDonalds to the US Constitution.

Dash is a professional project that have people working for it and they get paid, so what?

I wasn't taking issue with it being a professional project. I was taking issue with your assertion that it has a community.... which it hasn't.

Pay attention to the minutiae dumbass.

By the way, how the holy fuck can you not know what Bytecoin is?

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Quote from: rangedriver on June 21, 2017, 10:21:39 AM

Quote from: TrueCryptonaire on June 21, 2017, 09:57:36 AM

Dash has a community, and bear in mind, the sign of the community is not how many trolls are writing online.

Dash has the community equivalence of a freeway service area. That is to say on the surface it has the look and feel of a small town, but when you actually take a look around, the majority of its 'citizens' are either there temporarily (speculators) or simply are employees paid to be there; to operate the gas pumps, to keep the tiny streets clean, the logos polished, and the coffee and donuts flowing with a smile. It has no actual genuine citizens.

Monero on the other hand has the population of a small city. It isn't a product or a corporation. People are not being paid to live here. Sure it can be a little bit dirty at times. But it is is a movement defined by the enthusiasm of it's underlying social fabric, the political protections of it's underlying technological fabric, and the potential opportunities afforded by its speculative fabric.

You can't compare a product to a movement. It would be like comparing McDonalds to the US Constitution.

Dash is a professional project that have people working for it and they get paid, so what?

Monero is guys trading with Aminorex and circle jerking each other and nobody gets paid (perhaps Aminorex and a few others that are trading on Poloniex). Nothing wrong with people buying/selling from/to Aminorex but besides 1-2 vendors having occassional sales on Alphabay with Monero (probably annually 10-20 K usd worth of illegal stuff sold in Monero?) the usage of Monero is very limited.

I think buying FUCKs from Risto on Crypto Kingdom is bigger use case of Monero than buying stuff on Alphabay - correct me if I am wrong here. Does anyone have any statistics how much there is FUCKs selling on annual basis...?

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Quote from: TrueCryptonaire on June 21, 2017, 10:02:48 AM

What is the issue with premine/instamine etc?

LOL. Just LOL

Quote from: TrueCryptonaire on June 21, 2017, 10:02:48 AM

I do not get it despite I have tried to understand it for a couple of years.....

Perhaps my IQ ~~of over 100~~ of under 80 is not capable to grasp the problem with it....?

FTFY

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Dear Monero-community, I hope this won't be useful for anyone, but...

If you will have some problems with Bittrex and you will open some ticket for support, you can choose two ways:

1. Waiting few weeks for a response;

2. Go into Bittrex-slack. Founded some very good feedbacks that problems were resolved within half an hour.

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Quote from: TrueCryptonaire on June 21, 2017, 09:57:36 AM

Dash has a community, and bear in mind, the sign of the community is not how many trolls are writing online.

Dash has the community equivalence of a freeway service area. That is to say on the surface it has the look and feel of a small town, but when you actually take a look around, the majority of its 'citizens' are either there temporarily (speculators) or simply are employees paid to be there; to operate the gas pumps, to keep the tiny streets clean, the logos polished, and the coffee and donuts flowing with a smile. It has no actual genuine citizens.

Monero on the other hand has the population of a small city. It isn't a product or a corporation. People are not being paid to live here. Sure it can be a little bit dirty at times. But it is is a movement defined by the enthusiasm of it's underlying social fabric, the political protections of it's underlying technological fabric, and the potential opportunities afforded by its speculative fabric.

You can't compare a product to a movement. It would be like comparing McDonalds to the US Constitution.

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Quote from: TrueCryptonaire on June 21, 2017, 10:02:48 AM

You guys all the time are busy calling out those mines but what is the problem exactly with that?

Nothing, all is ok Undecided

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Quote from: TheFuzzStone on June 21, 2017, 04:57:58 AM

Quote from: TrueCryptonaire on June 21, 2017, 02:02:34 AM

Dash - A good coin, very professional community and a good business plan.

Read this

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What is the issue with premine/instamine etc?
You guys all the time are busy calling out those mines but what is the problem exactly with that? I do not get it despite I have tried to understand it for a couple of years..... Perhaps my IQ of over 100 is not capable to grasp the problem with it....?
AFAIK, Warren Buffet buys most of his investments secondary markets after the insta/premine of the stocks...?

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Quote from: obit33 on June 21, 2017, 03:49:31 AM

Quote from: TrueCryptonaire on June 21, 2017, 02:02:34 AM

Dash - A good coin, very professional community and a good business plan.

that's just wrong... have you been on the dash-subreddit, or in their slack channel... they're just echo-chambers... Dash has almost no community except their paid for fanboyz

Dash has a community, and bear in mind, the sign of the community is not how many trolls are writing online.
When it comes to professionalism, Dash is in the level of Corporation when you compare it to Monero which is in the level of boiz playing in the garage and tuning their four-wheels. The fact that they have a marketing department on its own is a sign it is like a solid business.
The fact that they are able to pay for a marketing is exactly the sign of professionalism and that they take seriously the user-adaption.

Every troll in this thread (except me) is an echo-chamber - just look at the amount of circle jerking taking place here when I am absent. Roll Eyes

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Quote from: nioc on June 21, 2017, 09:32:27 AM

Quote from: infofront on June 21, 2017, 08:16:33 AM

Quote from: aminorex on June 20, 2017, 10:04:37 PM

My speculation is that xmr will continue its steady longer term appreciation trend, with much less significant volatility than other leading crypto (BTC, ETH). In the long run, XMR will appreciate significantly more than BTC, as it's use cases are greater, and the current valuation is 50x lower.

Depending on your criteria, you might deem various issues as "leading crypto" but market cap per se is clearly meaningless. Bytecoin, dash, zcash and ripple are prime examples of that meaninglessness, for distinct reasons with similar implications, i.e. in each case the cap far exceeds the float - liquidity stinks, and every "greater fool" that comes along is just burying themselves under a deeper and deeper creaking overhang. I do not deem any of these four in particular to be in the class of "leading crypto". I still hope for a fair community launch of a zksnark crypto (or the incorporation of zksnarks into xmr.)

ETH is definitely leading crypto, but can't be classed as a monetary asset per se. It is also heading for a legal and social catastrophe at an ever accelerating pace. I much prefer the tortoise-style victory to which Monero is iterating, steering far clear of the snake oil and Ponzi complexes that besmirch the very concept of crypto. The political and governance risks of XMR seem clearly to be much less than those of either BTC or (most especially) ETH.

There exists ZenCash, ZClassic, and Hush, which are all community created Zcash forks.
I've been particularly interested in Zen. It's basically Zcash with a DAO and masternodes. As a speculator, those things interest me.

Oh boy! Dao and masternodes!!
When monroe gonna be that?
Waiting for announcement....

Ohhh shiiiii...

nioc just pre-announced the pre-announcement! Quick everyone! Sell your house, family, and dog to buy more!

Wait a minute.. Angry

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Quote from: infofront on June 21, 2017, 08:16:33 AM

Quote from: aminorex on June 20, 2017, 10:04:37 PM

My speculation is that xmr will continue its steady longer term appreciation trend, with much less significant volatility than other leading crypto (BTC, ETH). In the long run, XMR will appreciate significantly more than BTC, as it's use cases are greater, and the current valuation is 50x lower.

Depending on your criteria, you might deem various issues as "leading crypto" but market cap per se is clearly meaningless. Bytecoin, dash, zcash and ripple are prime examples of that meaninglessness, for distinct reasons with similar implications, i.e. in each case the cap far exceeds the float - liquidity stinks, and every "greater fool" that comes along is just burying themselves under a deeper and deeper creaking overhang. I do not deem any of these four in particular to be in the class of "leading crypto". I still hope for a fair community launch of a zksnark crypto (or the incorporation of zksnarks into xmr.)

ETH is definitely leading crypto, but can't be classed as a monetary asset per se. It is also heading for a legal and social catastrophe at an ever accelerating pace. I much prefer the tortoise-style victory to which Monero is iterating, steering far clear of the snake oil and Ponzi complexes that besmirch the very concept of crypto. The political and governance risks of XMR seem clearly to be much less than those of either BTC or (most especially) ETH.

There exists ZenCash, ZClassic, and Hush, which are all community created Zcash forks.
I've been particularly interested in Zen. It's basically Zcash with a DAO and masternodes. As a speculator, those things interest me.

Oh boy! Dao and masternodes!!
When monroe gonna be that?
Waiting for announcement....

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Quote from: infofront on June 21, 2017, 08:16:33 AM

Quote from: aminorex on June 20, 2017, 10:04:37 PM

My speculation is that xmr will continue its steady longer term appreciation trend, with much less significant volatility than other leading crypto (BTC, ETH). In the long run, XMR will appreciate significantly more than BTC, as it's use cases are greater, and the current valuation is 50x lower.

Depending on your criteria, you might deem various issues as "leading crypto" but market cap per se is clearly meaningless. Bytecoin, dash, zcash and ripple are prime examples of that meaninglessness, for distinct reasons with similar implications, i.e. in each case the cap far exceeds the float - liquidity stinks, and every "greater fool" that comes along is just burying themselves under a deeper and deeper creaking overhang. I do not deem any of these four in particular to be in the class of "leading crypto". I still hope for a fair community launch of a zksnark crypto (or the incorporation of zksnarks into xmr.)

ETH is definitely leading crypto, but can't be classed as a monetary asset per se. It is also heading for a legal and social catastrophe at an ever accelerating pace. I much prefer the tortoise-style victory to which Monero is iterating, steering far clear of the snake oil and Ponzi complexes that besmirch the very concept of crypto. The political and governance risks of XMR seem clearly to be much less than those of either BTC or (most especially) ETH.

There exists ZenCash, ZClassic, and Hush, which are all community created Zcash forks.
I've been particularly interested in Zen. It's basically Zcash with a DAO and masternodes. As a speculator, those things interest me.

Afaik he meant also without the trusted setup... its the same like Zcash for ANY of those forks

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Quote from: aminorex on June 20, 2017, 10:04:37 PM

My speculation is that xmr will continue its steady longer term appreciation trend, with much less significant volatility than other leading crypto (BTC, ETH). In the long run, XMR will appreciate significantly more than BTC, as it's use cases are greater, and the current valuation is 50x lower.

Depending on your criteria, you might deem various issues as "leading crypto" but market cap per se is clearly meaningless. Bytecoin, dash, zcash and ripple are prime examples of that meaninglessness, for distinct reasons with similar implications, i.e. in each case the cap far exceeds the float - liquidity stinks, and every "greater fool" that comes along is just burying themselves under a deeper and deeper creaking overhang. I do not deem any of these four in particular to be in the class of "leading crypto". I still hope for a fair community launch of a zksnark crypto (or the incorporation of zksnarks into xmr.)

ETH is definitely leading crypto, but can't be classed as a monetary asset per se. It is also heading for a legal and social catastrophe at an ever accelerating pace. I much prefer the tortoise-style victory to which Monero is iterating, steering far clear of the snake oil and Ponzi complexes that besmirch the very concept of crypto. The political and governance risks of XMR seem clearly to be much less than those of either BTC or (most especially) ETH.

There exists ZenCash, ZClassic, and Hush, which are all community created Zcash forks.
I've been particularly interested in Zen. It's basically Zcash with a DAO and masternodes. As a speculator, those things interest me.

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Quote from: saddambitcoin on June 21, 2017, 07:04:10 AM

Quote from: rinus on June 21, 2017, 04:30:36 AM

guys, i would like to sell some ETH and buy monero instead, but when i want to sent from parity to my poloniex account , my poloniex says its generating an adress but it does not give me an adress... it stays on " generating "

someone has the same problem? are there other ways to sell my ETH for monero ?

please help

I haven't had that problem but I also have not deposited ETH on Poloniex. You can also buy Monero at Kraken, Bitfinex, Shapeshift, TuxExchange, Bittrex, and maybe some others.

What about Monero for fiat? Any good places to buy it? Without astronomic fees? I´ve been trying the Altcoins Marketplace without success for a few days. Some sites like anycoindirect have very high fees. So if you have any ideas, they would be mostly apreciated.

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Quote from: rinus on June 21, 2017, 04:30:36 AM

guys, i would like to sell some ETH and buy monero instead, but when i want to sent from parity to my poloniex account , my poloniex says its generating an adress but it does not give me an adress... it stays on " generating "

someone has the same problem? are there other ways to sell my ETH for monero ?

please help

I haven't had that problem but I also have not deposited ETH on Poloniex. You can also buy Monero at Kraken, Bitfinex, Shapeshift, TuxExchange, Bittrex, and maybe some others.

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Quote from: aminorex on June 20, 2017, 10:04:37 PM

My speculation is that xmr will continue its steady longer term appreciation trend, with much less significant volatility than other leading crypto (BTC, ETH). In the long run, XMR will appreciate significantly more than BTC, as it's use cases are greater, and the current valuation is 50x lower.

Depending on your criteria, you might deem various issues as "leading crypto" but market cap per se is clearly meaningless. Bytecoin, dash, zcash and ripple are prime examples of that meaninglessness, for distinct reasons with similar implications, i.e. in each case the cap far exceeds the float - liquidity stinks, and every "greater fool" that comes along is just burying themselves under a deeper and deeper creaking overhang. I do not deem any of these four in particular to be in the class of "leading crypto". I still hope for a fair community launch of a zksnark crypto (or the incorporation of zksnarks into xmr.)

ETH is definitely leading crypto, but can't be classed as a monetary asset per se. It is also heading for a legal and social catastrophe at an ever accelerating pace. I much prefer the tortoise-style victory to which Monero is iterating, steering far clear of the snake oil and Ponzi complexes that besmirch the very concept of crypto. The political and governance risks of XMR seem clearly to be much less than those of either BTC or (most especially) ETH.

I also prefer this move of XMR, testing my patience while strengthening my discipline of hodling and not to be greedy.

Technical analysis-wise, longer consolidation will also make this price range stronger. Buyers and sellers are in equilibrium, which is also waiting for a catalyst to go boom (or bust). IMHO, breaking-up of 0.22 area will be explosive. Just waiting for some real good news. Cool