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Topic: [XMR] Monero Speculation - page 706. (Read 3314330 times)

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May 29, 2017, 05:58:16 PM


I see them using incorrect data in which they are basing their decisions.

I don't disagree with you at all.  I find myself wondering if part of the problem is the definition of "tech".  According to them etherium is brimming with tech. I can see what they mean.  And i think that project will produce another train wreck before it's all over thanks to their 'tech'.

Monero seems low tech to the layman.  We have to continue to do a better job explaining how deep Monero goes to the seemingly simple goal of monetary privacy.

There is a communication breakdown.  Therefore an opportunity.

I agree... "brimming with tech" is not necessarily a good thing.  Almost all "Elegant" solutions are by their very nature more simplistic.  i.e. it doesn't make sense to take a public blockchain like Bitcoin and then find a convoluted way to make that semi-private through some sort of addon. 

It's much more elegant and much less prone to failure if you simply build it into the protocol and have it be a part of the privacy solution at the lowest levels.
 
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May 29, 2017, 05:15:30 PM


I see them using incorrect data in which they are basing their decisions.

I don't disagree with you at all.  I find myself wondering if part of the problem is the definition of "tech".  According to them etherium is brimming with tech. I can see what they mean.  And i think that project will produce another train wreck before it's all over thanks to their 'tech'.

Monero seems low tech to the layman.  We have to continue to do a better job explaining how deep Monero goes to the seemingly simple goal of monetary privacy.

There is a communication breakdown.  Therefore an opportunity.
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May 29, 2017, 04:13:15 PM
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Two thoughts on this.

First I see this as an interesting glimpse into the perceived value of Monero and other alts by a very important player in a very important culture.  This should give those in our community who are bent on marketing the marching orders they need.  Though I personally fit in with our naturally technophillic navel gazing culture in Monero there are some of us who are gifted to tell the story of our project.  These folks are important.  But by 'marketing' I do not mean a focused barrage of lies or 'pumps' as folks like the idiot duck are always talking about, but instead shaping the organic conversations and narrative WE are responsible for as the frontrunners in the monero project.  We see for our Chinese markets we need to clarify our tech, and explain how Monero mitigates risk.  

This chart is a goldmine if we see it as an opportunity rather than a judgement.  Honestly I see it as a reverse engineered list of poloniex's top traded alts, basically in order of volume recently.  Then someone ranking coin aspects to try to make sense of that order.  Not so scientific but pretty revelatory of opinions.

Second... are you guys seeing what i am seeing?  The big player exchanges are starting to realize alts are important, and just about all of them have monero either publicly on their radar or there are rumors of it.  C Lee's polls, coinbase rumors.  Bitfinex and Kraken addidions, and now one of the serious leaders in the Chinese market.  Feels like a critical mass to me.  We better be ready.



What I find very interesting is the very low technology score for Monero.  This tells me that the Monero technology is not well understood in the market place at all. There are two critical technological aspects to Monero that give Monero its unique selling proposition.

1) The fungibility, privacy and anonymity aspect of Monero for which there is some explanation. This is of course includes ring signatures, stealth addresses, ring confidential transactions, and the upcoming Kovori I2P router and how it integrated into Monero.
2) The adaptive blocksize limit combined with a minimum emission of 0.6 XMR and fees set by the protocol. An proper understanding of this would have not only a profound impact on Monero, but also on the whole Bitcoin blocksize debate. This is especially the case since the vase majority of POW coins have a fixed maximum number of coins for which the "Monero Solution" would not work.  

What this tells me is the need to explain the technology in a way that is both understandable to the layperson and at the same time provide a technically savvy person with the information needed to make a decision based upon the fundamentals. Benefit based marketing designed to appeal to emotions, and generate pumps and dumps, is actually totally useless here and is in fact a serious hindrance to person wishing  to evaluate Monero on tis merits.
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May 29, 2017, 03:54:22 PM
XMR is on the Huobi list of coins they want to list in future on their exchange: https://twitter.com/cnLedger/status/869046697992650753

And Dogecoin is even higher in rank?  Huh
This proves again, that there will be more people that will understand the technology later, and thus add to price chasers due to FOMO.  Cool

This chart is a complete joke!



So I got home from casino and forgot I had a long since last Wed @ 182 nice to see the red disappearing. Smiley
Two thoughts on this.

First I see this as an interesting glimpse into the perceived value of Monero and other alts by a very important player in a very important culture.  This should give those in our community who are bent on marketing the marching orders they need.  Though I personally fit in with our naturally technophillic navel gazing culture in Monero there are some of us who are gifted to tell the story of our project.  These folks are important.  But by 'marketing' I do not mean a focused barrage of lies or 'pumps' as folks like the idiot duck are always talking about, but instead shaping the organic conversations and narrative WE are responsible for as the frontrunners in the monero project.  We see for our Chinese markets we need to clarify our tech, and explain how Monero mitigates risk. 

This chart is a goldmine if we see it as an opportunity rather than a judgement.  Honestly I see it as a reverse engineered list of poloniex's top traded alts, basically in order of volume recently.  Then someone ranking coin aspects to try to make sense of that order.  Not so scientific but pretty revelatory of opinions.

Second... are you guys seeing what i am seeing?  The big player exchanges are starting to realize alts are important, and just about all of them have monero either publicly on their radar or there are rumors of it.  C Lee's polls, coinbase rumors.  Bitfinex and Kraken addidions, and now one of the serious leaders in the Chinese market.  Feels like a critical mass to me.  We better be ready.



I see them using incorrect data in which they are basing their decisions.
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May 29, 2017, 02:49:10 PM
We going to 0.025
~.025 is historical resistance in BTC terms, with rising lows forming a triangle that will come to a point in what, two or three months.  Can somebody please make a chart that shows that?
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May 29, 2017, 02:10:44 PM
We going to 0.025
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May 29, 2017, 10:58:03 AM
Great post, cAPSLOCK. I totally agree.

I agree, good post cAPSLOCK - where others see obstacles, the wise see stepping stones.
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May 29, 2017, 10:47:28 AM
Great post, cAPSLOCK. I totally agree.
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May 29, 2017, 10:06:04 AM
XMR is on the Huobi list of coins they want to list in future on their exchange: https://twitter.com/cnLedger/status/869046697992650753

And Dogecoin is even higher in rank?  Huh
This proves again, that there will be more people that will understand the technology later, and thus add to price chasers due to FOMO.  Cool

This chart is a complete joke!



So I got home from casino and forgot I had a long since last Wed @ 182 nice to see the red disappearing. Smiley
Two thoughts on this.

First I see this as an interesting glimpse into the perceived value of Monero and other alts by a very important player in a very important culture.  This should give those in our community who are bent on marketing the marching orders they need.  Though I personally fit in with our naturally technophillic navel gazing culture in Monero there are some of us who are gifted to tell the story of our project.  These folks are important.  But by 'marketing' I do not mean a focused barrage of lies or 'pumps' as folks like the idiot duck are always talking about, but instead shaping the organic conversations and narrative WE are responsible for as the frontrunners in the monero project.  We see for our Chinese markets we need to clarify our tech, and explain how Monero mitigates risk. 

This chart is a goldmine if we see it as an opportunity rather than a judgement.  Honestly I see it as a reverse engineered list of poloniex's top traded alts, basically in order of volume recently.  Then someone ranking coin aspects to try to make sense of that order.  Not so scientific but pretty revelatory of opinions.

Second... are you guys seeing what i am seeing?  The big player exchanges are starting to realize alts are important, and just about all of them have monero either publicly on their radar or there are rumors of it.  C Lee's polls, coinbase rumors.  Bitfinex and Kraken addidions, and now one of the serious leaders in the Chinese market.  Feels like a critical mass to me.  We better be ready.

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May 29, 2017, 09:26:22 AM
XMR is on the Huobi list of coins they want to list in future on their exchange: https://twitter.com/cnLedger/status/869046697992650753

And Dogecoin is even higher in rank?  Huh
This proves again, that there will be more people that will understand the technology later, and thus add to price chasers due to FOMO.  Cool

This chart is a complete joke!



So I got home from casino and forgot I had a long since last Wed @ 182 nice to see the red disappearing. Smiley
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May 29, 2017, 08:32:49 AM
Someone wants some Monero...

Just watched a single buy of 2500-ish I think.  Nice action.


 Shocked Shocked Shocked

wow tell me more about it...


lot of scammer are making money on this "NEWS ANNOUNCEMENT"   those money are being cleansed atm and soon those profit will flow back into XMR...

so....
congrats  guys... XMR will  beat DASH MK soon... its all that matter rihg guys ?

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May 29, 2017, 07:53:27 AM
XMR is on the Huobi list of coins they want to list in future on their exchange: https://twitter.com/cnLedger/status/869046697992650753

And Dogecoin is even higher in rank?  Huh
This proves again, that there will be more people that will understand the technology later, and thus add to price chasers due to FOMO.  Cool
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May 29, 2017, 07:50:38 AM
XMR is on the Huobi list of coins they want to list in future on their exchange: https://twitter.com/cnLedger/status/869046697992650753
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May 29, 2017, 07:04:45 AM
A decent Coindesk article on Monero, linked near that chart:

http://www.coindesk.com/what-to-know-before-trading-monero/

Worth a read...

unusual for coindesk. Quite balanced and largely correct....FP stunt ? (;-)


Ah just noticed: 1st on page 1500! yeah!

By the way, it is funny that you wrote:
Ah just noticed: 1st on page 1500! yeah!

I was looking for any news here and you wrote something important, LOL
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May 29, 2017, 06:59:47 AM
Someone wants some Monero...

Just watched a single buy of 2500-ish I think.  Nice action.
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May 29, 2017, 06:34:29 AM
There has been enough said on this whole affair now.  

I assume we can agree we both share an interest in the best truly fungible digital currency and wish all the devs and Monero well.

Yes indeed!  Barolo and hugs all around!   Smiley Smiley Smiley

Cheers!

A good Barolo would be nice, but I am still looking for Monero to give me an excuse to open the last of these I have left.



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May 29, 2017, 05:45:28 AM
There has been enough said on this whole affair now.  

I assume we can agree we both share an interest in the best truly fungible digital currency and wish all the devs and Monero well.

Yes indeed!  Barolo and hugs all around!   Smiley Smiley Smiley
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May 29, 2017, 03:19:42 AM
I didn't ragedump, nor am I 'poutraged', I don't even think you have any obligation to do anything in particular.  I would just rather you didn't sneer at anyone who isn't (like you) gleefully happy about what happened, and I have voiced this opinion.  That's all.

Nice to know you didn't ragedump.

We've already discussed the many reasons some people are "gleefully happy" in reaction to the polarizing #FluffyGate performance art installation.

Calling my good-natured wish for Fluffy to enjoy National Wine Day a "sneer" is the part where you were poutraged (IIRC).  Cheesy

This week XMR outperformed BTC by 6.5%.  Our Chief Entertainment Officer's next prank can't come soon enough!  Cool


It wasn’t you wishing him well for National Wine Day, no - I am a wine lover, too.

And I have no problem with FP, he seems a decent enough sort, if capable of an (at least arguably) ill-judged joke.

Spilled milk - I have moved on, I trust you can too.  There has been enough said on this whole affair now.  

I assume we can agree we both share an interest in the best truly fungible digital currency and wish all the devs and Monero well.
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May 29, 2017, 02:33:03 AM
A decent Coindesk article on Monero, linked near that chart:

http://www.coindesk.com/what-to-know-before-trading-monero/

Worth a read...
Nice read. It has me thinking though, Monero is one of the few coins that coindesk doesn't have an ownership stake in (at least it sure seems that way).

For awhile they were churning out positive articles about Zcash left and right...and they have an ownership stake in it. Even now if you point out one of the many shortcomings of Zcash they'll delete your comment. And most of their articles have either been less-than-friendly to Monero or cast it in a negative light.

In short, their bias shows. I think most of us know that, but it's frustrating that the casual reader of that site doesn't get the full picture.

IMHO, that's good news. At least there are more people that will be in FOMO when Monero get into mainstream and price pops to uncharted territories.  Cool
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