[XMR] Monero Speculation - page 709.

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Quote from: aminorex on May 27, 2017, 09:35:54 AM

Quote from: Aby Normal on May 27, 2017, 03:07:03 AM

I think that one bad move is nothing comparing to all good things fluffy did over past 3 years...

I have to agree with this as well. FP stuck with Monero through the hardest times, and has been a consummate open source manager, AFAICT. In that role his work has been a great boon.

But I do wish Smooth had remained more engaged as the voice of team consensus. I just think his PR sense is better. Right now it's more like everyone speaking for themselves (or more likely, not speaking at all), with FP's voice naturally dominating since he has been willing to hit the road and make appearances, and tweet like a boss.

Fluffy is our pugnacious Captain Kirk, smooth our reserved Mr. Spock. They complement one another. One issue in scaling is that so many passionate Moneristos prize our pseudonymity (or at least relative privacy) and so are shy about entering the public eye. Private advocacy is less scalable than is open. We are awaiting the arrival of our Andreas Antonopoulos, someone with a passion for education, a good technical understanding, and diplomatic skills.

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So Monero is strong support and moving on 45$ Roll Eyes

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Almost the same thoughts came to my mind.

I do hope everything happens for a reason and in the long run it is gonna be just fine for Monero and all true supporters.

Quote from: KeyJockey on May 27, 2017, 11:40:52 AM

I'm pretty vocal on this thread as y'all around here know, although this is pretty much the only place online in crypto world where I ever talk about much at all (primarily because I believe the 'regulars' here are a cut above the usual online discourse... certain parties excepted, LOL)

Anyway, I've been pretty quiet thru all this shitstorm just because it's taken a while to come to any conclusions.

So now, in an effort to -- I HOPE -- help start putting it to rest (ha, fat chance)...

1. This is one of those situations that is NEVER gonna be "resolved".

2. Some people are gonna always hate this and some are gonna always love it.

3. As per #2 I believe (hope) that overall it'll be about a break-even "wash"

4. Monero will lose some people over this issue but it'll gain other people over it, so again maybe a "wash"

5. In a few months when we're over $100 for a thousand OTHER reasons, this will probably be largely a non-issue anymore

6. In the end only the code matters. The tech is solid. The coin is working. Nothing else really counts as much.

7. BUT in the meantime? "There's No Such Thing As Bad Publicity"... LOL People talking about Monero! Yay!

8. Even if it is "trash talking", probably *still* YAY 'cuz even that'll bring people on the other side of the argument.

9. So... we all good now, right? So... can we talk about something else now? AmIRite? Cheesy

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I'm pretty vocal on this thread as y'all around here know, although this is pretty much the only place online in crypto world where I ever talk about much at all (primarily because I believe the 'regulars' here are a cut above the usual online discourse... certain parties excepted, LOL)

Anyway, I've been pretty quiet thru all this shitstorm just because it's taken a while to come to any conclusions.

So now, in an effort to -- I HOPE -- help start putting it to rest (ha, fat chance)...

1. This is one of those situations that is NEVER gonna be "resolved".

2. Some people are gonna always hate this and some are gonna always love it.

3. As per #2 I believe (hope) that overall it'll be about a break-even "wash"

4. Monero will lose some people over this issue but it'll gain other people over it, so again maybe a "wash"

5. In a few months when we're over $100 for a thousand OTHER reasons, this will probably be largely a non-issue anymore

6. In the end only the code matters. The tech is solid. The coin is working. Nothing else really counts as much.

7. BUT in the meantime? "There's No Such Thing As Bad Publicity"... LOL People talking about Monero! Yay!

8. Even if it is "trash talking", probably *still* YAY 'cuz even that'll bring people on the other side of the argument.

9. So... we all good now, right? So... can we talk about something else now? AmIRite? Cheesy

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Quote from: cAPSLOCK on May 27, 2017, 10:20:34 AM

Quote from: Aby Normal on May 27, 2017, 03:07:03 AM

I think that one bad move is nothing comparing to all good things fluffy did over past 3 years, like nobody remembers all the troubles XMR had since its early days and who was always there to save the day.

Quoting for truth and emphasis.

Of course we agree this is true and I don't think anyone with any sense could disagree.

He has been central to XMR which has done incredibly well and it will, I am sure, continue to do so.

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Quote from: Aby Normal on May 27, 2017, 03:07:03 AM

I think that one bad move is nothing comparing to all good things fluffy did over past 3 years, like nobody remembers all the troubles XMR had since its early days and who was always there to save the day.

Quoting for truth and emphasis.

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Quote from: TrueCryptonaire on May 27, 2017, 09:42:39 AM

Quote from: aminorex on May 27, 2017, 09:35:54 AM

Quote from: Aby Normal on May 27, 2017, 03:07:03 AM

I think that one bad move is nothing comparing to all good things fluffy did over past 3 years...

I have to agree with this as well. FP stuck with Monero through the hardest times, and has been a consummate open source manager, AFAICT. In that role his work has been a great boon.

But I do wish Smooth had remained more engaged as the voice of team consensus. I just think his PR sense is better. Right now it's more like everyone speaking for themselves (or more likely, not speaking at all), with FP's voice naturally dominating since he has been willing to hit the road and make appearances, and tweet like a boss.

In order to him getting the final remission from the trolls, the price need to establish 0.01 or below IMO.

Thanks for the BUY signal.

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Quote from: aminorex on May 27, 2017, 09:35:54 AM

Quote from: Aby Normal on May 27, 2017, 03:07:03 AM

I think that one bad move is nothing comparing to all good things fluffy did over past 3 years...

I have to agree with this as well. FP stuck with Monero through the hardest times, and has been a consummate open source manager, AFAICT. In that role his work has been a great boon.

But I do wish Smooth had remained more engaged as the voice of team consensus. I just think his PR sense is better. Right now it's more like everyone speaking for themselves (or more likely, not speaking at all), with FP's voice naturally dominating since he has been willing to hit the road and make appearances, and tweet like a boss.

In order to him getting the final remission from the trolls, the price need to establish 0.01 or below IMO.

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Quote from: Aby Normal on May 27, 2017, 03:07:03 AM

I think that one bad move is nothing comparing to all good things fluffy did over past 3 years...

I have to agree with this as well. FP stuck with Monero through the hardest times, and has been a consummate open source manager, AFAICT. In that role his work has been a great boon.

But I do wish Smooth had remained more engaged as the voice of team consensus. I just think his PR sense is better. Right now it's more like everyone speaking for themselves (or more likely, not speaking at all), with FP's voice naturally dominating since he has been willing to hit the road and make appearances, and tweet like a boss.

TrueCryptonaire

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You get the best bargain on Monero when nobody cares for this thread.
As long as the speculation thread is on the main page, Monero is definetely a good coin to sell/short.

It will eventually go down. It always does. Embarrassed

Bitcoin probably is going to the moon soon so better to hold some bitcoins now, then convert them to fiat when landing on the moon and once the bear market hits bitcoin sphere, slowly increase your exposure first to bitcoin, then to Monero.
Do not worry, I will let you know when to buy bitcoins... Now just stack as much bitcoins as possible.

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Quote from: aminorex on May 27, 2017, 02:53:03 AM

Quote from: iCEBREAKER on May 26, 2017, 07:22:51 PM

...obviously high caliber performance art (which should be profoundly provocative and thus controversial due to displaced cognitive dissonance).

I have to agree on this point. As performance art goes, it was quite a notable piece. I do not like it one bit, but I do appreciate that aspect. It has...stimulated discussion.

I mostly dislike it because the winning scenario for our species is the diligent preservation of the last remaining fragments of human privacy, dignity and freedom. I don't think the performance helped. Hopefully, I am wrong.

A modern day Andy Kaufman of the cryptoworld.

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Quote from: Febo on May 27, 2017, 07:14:11 AM

Who would thought Fluffypony have so much influence on Cryptospace. His statement crashed whole Crypto and market cap went from 90 billions to 60 billions.

I could not call it a crash or a bubble, just because there is not enough data about any of it. If you look at, let's say, gold graph you can easily say "yup, this was a bubble and that was a crash". All I see in USD/BTC chart is uptrend. No one knows when market will stop the music. Let's say price drops to 1300, is this a crash? No it might bounce back to 2500 anytime.
Another thing, all alts are too dependent on BTC right now, just sell fuck ton of BTC and all crypto space is shaking.
FP just sold his BTC - Confirmed.

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Quote from: iCEBREAKER on May 26, 2017, 07:22:51 PM

Quote from: kurious on May 26, 2017, 06:09:41 PM

Quote from: aminorex on May 26, 2017, 04:55:17 PM

I was at the NYC event. The most blatant market manipulation I have observed was the smear campaign which followed. I have been quiet because I don't like to encourage people to sell, because they will probably harm themselves if they do so, yet I anticipated that the reaction cycle would be adverse to price, once I saw the event, so I have been lying low. I have now begun to buy again, and so I feel my influence is now less likely to harm anyone.

I am still very saddened by the intense negative emotion that has been expressed here. Surely you must see that such effusions are harmful to yourself. While you cannot undo the damage you caused to yourself, at least learn from this, and do not let facile emotions dictate words and deeds so incautiously in future.

As for fluffyponyza's tweets, I think they were very ill-considered. It seems particularly poor taste to say that pre-announcements would be unethical, after having made a pre-announcement. The fact that it was intended as a deceit does not make it more ethical. The logic of that is so bizarrely twisted that it saddens me.

I think the marvelous progress made by endogenic on iOS and Android support is the truly newsworthy part of the presentation. Surae's discussion of the process of cryptographic review was also of greater importance than fluffyponyza's troll. Unfortunately these are being overlooked, because they can not be exploited to make you puke up cheap coins.

I am glad you have posted on this and your response is reasoned and about in line with my own.

Yes, I think a lot of the reaction was OTT, but personally while I know what he 'meant' and FP's little joke was not existential, the ill-judged nature of it has created a bad atmosphere and a ton of troll fodder that it need not have.

Monero is still a great project and this won't change that, but by creating confusion and the potential accusation of pump and dump scam (even if inadvertently) was foolish.

That is about it. but one more small point:

I could do without people high up from 'Monero Mountain' with wine glasses in hand sneering at people who are genuine supporters of this project and deserve better. It only serves to entrench resentment, not heal it.

The only power to "entrench resentment" possessed by drunken Monero mountaineers is the amount you voluntarily grant them. For example, nothing I can post could possibly make Aminorex sell, because he is Based AF and not a whiny melting snowflake.

He is also 100% spot-on about the blatant market manipulation and smear campaign. Very sad to see some of our finest Mustangs succumbing to (*gasp*) popular sentiment as found on social media, aiding and abetting the Ztrash/Dash troll brigade. Embarrassed

If Monero is not sufficiently anti-fragile to survive its weak holders under the mildly adverse conditions of a well-intentioned and poignant practical joke, it does not deserve to continue. Smooth has already explained this; I'm not sure why normies are still not grokking the idea:

Quote from: smooth on May 24, 2017, 09:00:59 PM

'anti fragile' means that if anything fluffypony says or matters all that much, we're doing something wrong. Fortunately, it doesn't.

(And to the extent that this stunt makes what he says or does matter even less, we're doing something right.)

Android and Surae are so much more important than endless butthurt over what is obviously high caliber performance art (which should be profoundly provocative and thus controversial due to displaced cognitive dissonance).

Please disabuse yourself of the false conceit that I am here to coddle, placate, compromise, or (to use your euphemism) "heal" your poutrage.

I am here to catalyze and amplify your self-inflicted resentment until you pull a Hearn and puke up cheap coins. Wink

If you rage-dumped XMR because of some farcical trifle about a #FluffyGate tweet, you never deserved to hold a single Tacoshi.

I didn't ragedump, nor am I 'poutraged', I don't even think you have any obligation to do anything in particular. I would just rather you didn't sneer at anyone who isn't (like you) gleefully happy about what happened, and I have voiced this opinion. That's all.

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Quote from: Febo on May 27, 2017, 07:14:11 AM

Who would thought Fluffypony have so much influence on Cryptospace. His statement crashed whole Crypto and market cap went from 90 billions to 60 billions.

I wouldn't call it a crash yet. A big correction was overdue.

correlation ≠ causation

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Who would thought Fluffypony have so much influence on Cryptospace. His statement crashed whole Crypto and market cap went from 90 billions to 60 billions.

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Quote from: iCEBREAKER on May 26, 2017, 09:31:39 PM

Quote from: Billy Bunter on May 26, 2017, 08:00:30 PM

Quote from: iCEBREAKER on May 26, 2017, 07:22:51 PM

The only power to "entrench resentment" possessed by drunken Monero mountaineers is the amount you voluntarily grant them. For example, nothing I can post could possibly make Aminorex sell, because he is Based AF and not a whiny melting snowflake.

He is also 100% spot-on about the blatant market manipulation and smear campaign. Very sad to see some of our finest Mustangs succumbing to (*gasp*) popular sentiment as found on social media, aiding and abetting the Ztrash/Dash troll brigade. Embarrassed

If Monero is not sufficiently anti-fragile to survive its weak holders under the mildly adverse conditions of a well-intentioned and poignant practical joke, it does not deserve to continue. Smooth has already explained this; I'm not sure why normies are still not grokking the idea:

Quote from: smooth on May 24, 2017, 09:00:59 PM

'anti fragile' means that if anything fluffypony says or matters all that much, we're doing something wrong. Fortunately, it doesn't.

(And to the extent that this stunt makes what he says or does matter even less, we're doing something right.)

Android and Surae are so much more important than endless butthurt over what is obviously high caliber performance art (which should be profoundly provocative and thus controversial due to displaced cognitive dissonance).

Please disabuse yourself of the false conceit that I am here to coddle, placate, compromise, or (to use your euphemism) "heal" your poutrage.

I am here to catalyze and amplify your self-inflicted resentment until you pull a Hearn and puke up cheap coins. Wink

If you rage-dumped XMR because of some farcical trifle about a #FluffyGate tweet, you never deserved to hold a single Tacoshi.

Nothing you post could make anyone sell. Get over yourself.

Out of all the material in the conversation, that's the best response you could come up with? Huh

Wow, I think my smugness level just went up a notch. Thanks for that. Cool

Well you don't really give people much 'material' to work with, do you?

Your schtick is the usual diatribe meant to alienate and intimidate. You seem almost incapable of writing a sentence without using either 'butthurt' or 'snowflake'. You seek confrontation and conflict rather than conversation.

The shame of it is that you are clearly intelligent and could add a great deal to this thread. But so long as you prefer to confront, rather than convince, the other participants here, you lose whatever gravitas you might otherwise be accorded.

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I hate the slowness of Poloniex sell order execution... Cry

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tumble weed rolled across the floor... nobody was surprised..

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Surae Noether mentioned in his proposal that he wants to research ZK-Protocols.
So it means the goal is having some Zcash technology incorporated into XMR?

Is Surae active on this forum and can somebody provide more informations about that?
Did he maybe mentioned Zk-Protocols on XMR during his last talk? Are there ways to do this without the trusted setup?

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Quote from: Detective Cuffs on May 27, 2017, 06:04:53 AM

I think we can collectively start blaming FP for all this s**t storm going on right now Grin

Yeah, why not. After hearing what he has done. Probably saying "Look! I'm right. Market is collapsing."

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