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Topic: [XMR] Monero Speculation - page 813. (Read 3314350 times)

legendary
Activity: 2016
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March 17, 2017, 02:19:39 AM
Really thought the BTC ETF would double my BTC in maybe a month or so. Instead XMR did it in 6 days?? I said my target was .0225 the other day, but that seems like a given now. Wonder how many more folks will hedge with Monero? The longer I hedge, the more I read the forums, and my interest grows. Clever marketing boyz Wink

Knock knock:  .0225
legendary
Activity: 2016
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March 17, 2017, 12:05:45 AM
Looks like the EFT news is slowly/finally kicking in and BTC is going to retrace to (insert your figure).
But BTC weakness means we are approaching the XMR/BTC ATH

I do hope XMR investors don't follow the bearish sentiment as has happened of late.

I see a great green forest of happiness.  I'm picking features for the new truck now  Tongue 
What bears?

You know, we are going to need to see pictures of this now infamous truck  Grin

Haha  it will happen, I promise.  Its just taking a little longer than I'd hoped.  What's a year in the grand scheme of things Wink
legendary
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Dumb broad
March 16, 2017, 11:56:31 PM
Looks like the EFT news is slowly/finally kicking in and BTC is going to retrace to (insert your figure).
But BTC weakness means we are approaching the XMR/BTC ATH

I do hope XMR investors don't follow the bearish sentiment as has happened of late.

I see a great green forest of happiness.  I'm picking features for the new truck now  Tongue 
What bears?

You know, we are going to need to see pictures of this now infamous truck  Grin
legendary
Activity: 2016
Merit: 1259
March 16, 2017, 11:15:19 PM
Looks like the EFT news is slowly/finally kicking in and BTC is going to retrace to (insert your figure).
But BTC weakness means we are approaching the XMR/BTC ATH

I do hope XMR investors don't follow the bearish sentiment as has happened of late.

I see a great green forest of happiness.  I'm picking features for the new truck now  Tongue 
What bears?
legendary
Activity: 1008
Merit: 1000
Dumb broad
March 16, 2017, 10:44:17 PM
Looks like the EFT news is slowly/finally kicking in and BTC is going to retrace to (insert your figure).
But BTC weakness means we are approaching the XMR/BTC ATH

I do hope XMR investors don't follow the bearish sentiment as has happened of late.
hero member
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Keep what's important, and know who's your friend
March 16, 2017, 10:28:52 PM
Really thought the BTC ETF would double my BTC in maybe a month or so. Instead XMR did it in 6 days?? I said my target was .0225 the other day, but that seems like a given now. Wonder how many more folks will hedge with Monero? The longer I hedge, the more I read the forums, and my interest grows. Clever marketing boyz Wink

Welcome.  Smiley
However, after spending some time in this thread you will realise our biggest flaw (according to our critics) is we do "no marketing".

Moneroj comes with lashings of irony though.


Welcome? I thought the XMR community was hostile and aggressive?  Wink

I know marketing is sore spot, that's why it's clever to have fundamentals as its backbone for marketing. The more you read, the more you see the light. Incidentally, XMR is getting pumped when China is up, wonder if there is any correlation given the capital controls being implemented? Pretty hard to blacklist moneroj... right? Fungibility is becoming more important as every year passes.

Hard to be "hostile and aggressive" when our CEO is a fluffy pony.
legendary
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Dumb broad
March 16, 2017, 10:00:35 PM
Really thought the BTC ETF would double my BTC in maybe a month or so. Instead XMR did it in 6 days?? I said my target was .0225 the other day, but that seems like a given now. Wonder how many more folks will hedge with Monero? The longer I hedge, the more I read the forums, and my interest grows. Clever marketing boyz Wink

Welcome.  Smiley
However, after spending some time in this thread you will realise our biggest flaw (according to our critics) is we do "no marketing".

Moneroj comes with lashings of irony though.


Welcome? I thought the XMR community was hostile and aggressive?  Wink

I know marketing is sore spot, that's why it's clever to have fundamentals as its backbone for marketing. The more you read, the more you see the light. Incidentally, XMR is getting pumped when China is up, wonder if there is any correlation given the capital controls being implemented? Pretty hard to blacklist moneroj... right? Fungibility is becoming more important as every year passes.

"Hostile and aggressive"....well, we all have our moments I guess Wink

Good points you make: China....yes, that's a pattern I see and have posited previously that XMR could prove attractive for the China market.  But we do quite a bit of Sino-gazing here and its an inaccurate science eg SE Asia is a big place, so attributing a buy pattern to one country based on time zones is problematic.

And fungibility is indeed going to become increasingly important; its probably going to take some sort of high profile example to bring the concept to 'front of mind' for the masses though.
sr. member
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March 16, 2017, 09:43:45 PM
Really thought the BTC ETF would double my BTC in maybe a month or so. Instead XMR did it in 6 days?? I said my target was .0225 the other day, but that seems like a given now. Wonder how many more folks will hedge with Monero? The longer I hedge, the more I read the forums, and my interest grows. Clever marketing boyz Wink

Welcome.  Smiley
However, after spending some time in this thread you will realise our biggest flaw (according to our critics) is we do "no marketing".

Moneroj comes with lashings of irony though.


Welcome? I thought the XMR community was hostile and aggressive?  Wink

I know marketing is sore spot, that's why it's clever to have fundamentals as its backbone for marketing. The more you read, the more you see the light. Incidentally, XMR is getting pumped when China is up, wonder if there is any correlation given the capital controls being implemented? Pretty hard to blacklist moneroj... right? Fungibility is becoming more important as every year passes.
member
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March 16, 2017, 09:05:36 PM
Tried earlier to buy another chuck on margin this time but nothing was offered.  Good news...less supply to short.
legendary
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Dumb broad
March 16, 2017, 09:04:54 PM
Really thought the BTC ETF would double my BTC in maybe a month or so. Instead XMR did it in 6 days?? I said my target was .0225 the other day, but that seems like a given now. Wonder how many more folks will hedge with Monero? The longer I hedge, the more I read the forums, and my interest grows. Clever marketing boyz Wink

Welcome.  Smiley
However, after spending some time in this thread you will realise our biggest flaw (according to our critics) is we do "no marketing".

Moneroj comes with lashings of irony though.
sr. member
Activity: 248
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March 16, 2017, 08:09:34 PM
SELL ORDERS Total: 128534.53141440 XMR         BUY ORDERS Total: 2623.91310833 BTC

This is bullish  Cool

Agree.  My recollection is during the big run in August 2016, buy side was well above 3,000 BTC (which we haven't seen for a while), but sell side was also in the 200,000+ range (maybe even over 300k)...

Probably because Monero whales hodling to spend on the Treenero ICO...
sr. member
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March 16, 2017, 07:55:19 PM
Really thought the BTC ETF would double my BTC in maybe a month or so. Instead XMR did it in 6 days?? I said my target was .0225 the other day, but that seems like a given now. Wonder how many more folks will hedge with Monero? The longer I hedge, the more I read the forums, and my interest grows. Clever marketing boyz Wink
legendary
Activity: 2016
Merit: 1259
March 16, 2017, 07:51:31 PM
SELL ORDERS Total: 128534.53141440 XMR         BUY ORDERS Total: 2623.91310833 BTC

This is bullish  Cool
sr. member
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March 16, 2017, 07:30:27 PM
Anyone else super excited about the new alt being developed by FluffyPony and Peter Todd?   Grin

https://twitter.com/fluffyponyza/status/842466301922676737

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TreeNeroChains: One-time Ring Sig P2P Untraceable Electronic Cash
System & Consensus Algo

https://t.co/Jk2oWIm882


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We do not consider TreeNeroChains as a full replacement to Bitcoin. On the contrary, having two (or more)
strong and convenient currencies is better than having just one. Running two and more different projects in
parallel is the natural flow of electronic cash economics.

Interesting.....


Edit: From his twitter:

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Riccardo Spagni‏Verified account @fluffyponyza 3h3 hours ago

Don't take the 3 papers I tweeted as serious, I used the Koinster whitepaper generator for altcoin-quality papers: https://whitepaper.koinster.com/
2 replies 2 retweets 9 likes


Aww, spoilsport...
legendary
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Doomed to see the future and unable to prevent it
March 16, 2017, 06:35:39 PM

That 6,500 loss at the casino last few weeks has put a hurting on me. Smiley Damn why did I miss the initial spike! :|

Starting to see a pattern here Wink


True, I noticed see it as well last year, it's about an 8 month oscillation.

BTW just got this email, It made me want to puke.

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Kraken is launching support for trading Melon tokens (MLN). Built on the Ethereum network, Melon is a protocol for managing digital assets that is decentralized, modular, transparently auditable, and low cost. MLN tokens cover the platform usage fee and are used to reward developers who build Melon modules. Melonport, the company behind Melon, had a very successful Initial Coin Offering (ICO), hitting its target of 227,000 ETH (currently worth about $6.5 million) within 10 minutes.
legendary
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Doomed to see the future and unable to prevent it
March 16, 2017, 06:33:33 PM
Anyone else super excited about the new alt being developed by FluffyPony and Peter Todd?   Grin

https://twitter.com/fluffyponyza/status/842466301922676737

Quote
TreeNeroChains: One-time Ring Sig P2P Untraceable Electronic Cash
System & Consensus Algo

https://t.co/Jk2oWIm882

Lol, this looks like a joke. Smiley

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CryptoGuppy‏ @Crypto_Guppy 3h3 hours ago

@fluffyponyza How many flavours are there?!
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Riccardo Spagni‏Verified account @fluffyponyza 3h3 hours ago

@Crypto_Guppy I've published 3 paper in like 20 minutes, I think I'm going to take a break and plan the ICO
2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
CryptoGuppy‏ @Crypto_Guppy 3h3 hours ago

@fluffyponyza Hmmm, thanks, there goes my weekend...
But seriously, awesome work!
1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
Riccardo Spagni‏Verified account @fluffyponyza 3h3 hours ago

@Crypto_Guppy Don't thank me, thank the Koinster whitepaper generator: https://whitepaper.koinster.com/
1 reply 3 retweets 5 likes
legendary
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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
March 16, 2017, 06:12:22 PM
The Dash community has identified a legitimate flaw in Bitcoin, the blocksize scaling / lack of tail emission issue, and then used this in a marketing pump for Dash. The problem with this is that Dash has the very same flaw, as Bitcoin, only worse, since in Dash the falling block reward has not only to support the miners but also the masternodes and their project budget. All of this has nothing to do with the controversy over the Dash instamine.

Coins that do not have this issue because they have a tail emission include Ethereum, but not Ethereum Classic, Monero, Dogecoin and Aeon. DigitalNote has a tail emission but it may be way too small. Monero has an adaptive blocksize limit and the fee structure to go along with it. It would not be difficult to retrofit Dogecoin with a similar adaptive blocksize limit / fee structure, and in principle although more complex it should be possible to do this with Ethereum.

Monero like adaptive blocksize limits without a tail emission will lead to an insecure coin. Bytecoin, and many Cryptonote coins for example are living on borrowed time because of this. The way to understand this is how fees work in Monero, where fees are proportional to the (emission) / (Effective median blocksize). If the emission goes to zero then so do the fees and the coin becomes insecure. This by the way is the concern of many in Bitcoin Core who choose security over scaling for obvious reasons.

I have not seen a solution to the fee / scaling issue for Bitcoin and similar coins with a fixed total number of coins, other than having the blocksize set by a miner vote. (BIP100 type solutions) https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Scalability_FAQ. This may work in a competitive environment where Bitcoin is competing with other payment solutions; however it could also lead to a situation where a mining cartel tries to take the market cap for themselves.

Edit: The Dash market cap is around 530,000 XBT and I understand that the pirateat40 losses were closer to 700,000 XBT. Still it is getting close.

The Dash community doesn't even understand that cryptography is the basis for cryptocash.  Their pump is the work of Roger Vermin and Team Gavin trying to steal Bitcoin's ETF/ATH limelight.

AFAIK Bitcoin's static blocksize is currently working better than Monero's dynamic one and will continue to do so until April 15 at the very earliest.

What happens after that, and in the far future of tail emissions, is anyone's guess.

The more certainty you proclaim about the outcomes of those future events the more credibility you lose.

Of course deducing matters of fact from relations of ideas is a fun game, but it's important to avoid hubris and be honest about the limitations of divining matters empirical.
legendary
Activity: 2016
Merit: 1259
March 16, 2017, 05:49:42 PM

That 6,500 loss at the casino last few weeks has put a hurting on me. Smiley Damn why did I miss the initial spike! :|

Starting to see a pattern here Wink
sr. member
Activity: 248
Merit: 250
March 16, 2017, 05:44:18 PM
Anyone else super excited about the new alt being developed by FluffyPony and Peter Todd?   Grin

https://twitter.com/fluffyponyza/status/842466301922676737

Quote
TreeNeroChains: One-time Ring Sig P2P Untraceable Electronic Cash
System & Consensus Algo

https://t.co/Jk2oWIm882
legendary
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Monero Core Team
March 16, 2017, 05:42:06 PM
the purpose of this Epic Pump is intended to "buy legitimacy" for the Dash coin project AT EVEN A VERY EXPENSIVE MARKET MANIPULATION PRICE just because a go-for-broke Hail Mary Pass *will* be necessary if it's going to survive?

In other words:

1. The Master Dashers use up all their firepower ammo in this epic mother of all pumps JUST TO GET their coin UP in market cap rating to #3
2. The TIMING of this just when Bitcoin is going thru the worst point of its scaling political problems is "interesting" to say the least
3. Achieving #3 Market Cap Position, Dash gains very valuable media attention and Internet "chatter" - "success breeds success!" in theory
4. This apparent "victory" of DASH as "King of Alts" as "Bitcoin 2.0" then leads to (they hope?) actual MERCHANT ADOPTION...Huh
5. Merchant adoption provides users someplace to actually spend their Dash at faster and cheaper transactions than FAILING BITCOIN can do!!
6. Virtuous-Cycle of #3 to #4 to #5 continues a while (they hope?)
7. Finally... number #6 goes on long enough to take on its own life BEFORE THE PUMPERS run out of FUEL and the whole efforts crashes and burns...?

Is it really just a Poloniex-based, simple P&D operation as seen before, but just THIS TIME on a larger scale than's ever been attempted previously??

The Dash scam won't even come close to touching Pirate's record for BTC lost in a HYIP P&D.

All that you say is true, and more.

Take what you wrote and magnify it by the effort Roger Ver is putting into making Bitcoin look bad via shitcoin jesusing.

He's pumping Dash because he needs it to take as much of the oxygen out of Bitcoin's room as possible.

Pumping Dash feeds Ver's false narrative about 'zomg Bitcoin is loosing precious retail coffee transactions!!121!.'   Roll Eyes

The Dash community has identified a legitimate flaw in Bitcoin, the blocksize scaling / lack of tail emission issue, and then used this in a marketing pump for Dash. The problem with this is that Dash has the very same flaw, as Bitcoin, only worse, since in Dash the falling block reward has not only to support the miners but also the masternodes and their project budget. All of this has nothing to do with the controversy over the Dash instamine.

Coins that do not have this issue because they have a tail emission include Ethereum, but not Ethereum Classic, Monero, Dogecoin and Aeon. DigitalNote has a tail emission but it may be way too small. Monero has an adaptive blocksize limit and the fee structure to go along with it. It would not be difficult to retrofit Dogecoin with a similar adaptive blocksize limit / fee structure, and in principle although more complex it should be possible to do this with Ethereum.

Monero like adaptive blocksize limits without a tail emission will lead to an insecure coin. Bytecoin, and many Cryptonote coins for example are living on borrowed time because of this. The way to understand this is how fees work in Monero, where fees are proportional to the (emission) / (Effective median blocksize). If the emission goes to zero then so do the fees and the coin becomes insecure. This by the way is the concern of many in Bitcoin Core who choose security over scaling for obvious reasons.

I have not seen a solution to the fee / scaling issue for Bitcoin and similar coins with a fixed total number of coins, other than having the blocksize set by a miner vote. (BIP100 type solutions) https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Scalability_FAQ. This may work in a competitive environment where Bitcoin is competing with other payment solutions; however it could also lead to a situation where a mining cartel tries to take the market cap for themselves.

Edit 1: The Dash market cap is around 530,000 XBT and I understand that the pirateat40 losses were closer to 700,000 XBT. Still it is getting close.
Edit 2: It is possible to use demurrage to generate miner rewards while keeping the total number of coins constant, as in Freicoin. Demurrage may also work generate to miner rewards in order to secure sidechains with a fixed number of coins.
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