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Topic: [XMR] Monero Speculation - page 816. (Read 3314350 times)

legendary
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March 16, 2017, 02:53:15 AM
Is anyone else a little scared by the speed of this rise?

No, it's been on the cards for a while.  Every rise was supressed, but with Dash peaking it was inevitable some money would come back into XMR, as long as BTC stayed flat-ish.

Enjoy....

EDIT: That is not to say Alts aren't in a bubble, of course - but XMR is not doubling in value every week.
full member
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March 16, 2017, 02:37:15 AM
Is anyone else a little scared by the speed of this rise?
legendary
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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
March 16, 2017, 02:12:30 AM
the purpose of this Epic Pump is intended to "buy legitimacy" for the Dash coin project AT EVEN A VERY EXPENSIVE MARKET MANIPULATION PRICE just because a go-for-broke Hail Mary Pass *will* be necessary if it's going to survive?

In other words:

1. The Master Dashers use up all their firepower ammo in this epic mother of all pumps JUST TO GET their coin UP in market cap rating to #3
2. The TIMING of this just when Bitcoin is going thru the worst point of its scaling political problems is "interesting" to say the least
3. Achieving #3 Market Cap Position, Dash gains very valuable media attention and Internet "chatter" - "success breeds success!" in theory
4. This apparent "victory" of DASH as "King of Alts" as "Bitcoin 2.0" then leads to (they hope?) actual MERCHANT ADOPTION...Huh
5. Merchant adoption provides users someplace to actually spend their Dash at faster and cheaper transactions than FAILING BITCOIN can do!!
6. Virtuous-Cycle of #3 to #4 to #5 continues a while (they hope?)
7. Finally... number #6 goes on long enough to take on its own life BEFORE THE PUMPERS run out of FUEL and the whole efforts crashes and burns...?

Is it really just a Poloniex-based, simple P&D operation as seen before, but just THIS TIME on a larger scale than's ever been attempted previously??

The Dash scam won't even come close to touching Pirate's record for BTC lost in a HYIP P&D.

All that you say is true, and more.

Take what you wrote and magnify it by the effort Roger Ver is putting into making Bitcoin look bad via shitcoin jesusing.

He's pumping Dash because he needs it to take as much of the oxygen out of Bitcoin's room as possible.

Pumping Dash feeds Ver's false narrative about 'zomg Bitcoin is loosing precious retail coffee transactions!!121!.'   Roll Eyes
legendary
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Doomed to see the future and unable to prevent it
March 16, 2017, 12:39:22 AM
I'm such an idiot. I bought into this suckers rally. Is it going back to $12 or is this part of a bigger movement?

Wish there was more price speculation and less discussion of 0s/2 warp

Buy a little.  If it goes up, buy a little more.  If it goes down, buy a little more.  If it goes down a lot, buy a lot  Cheesy


Feeling better?  Wink

Hah he couldn't last a week without wetting himself let alone a month!
hero member
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March 16, 2017, 12:15:36 AM
I hope some XMR hodlers have realized how much each Monero can be worth. I read stories about guys who sold around 12 or 13 USD and now regret. Sorry but the XMR is now in better hands.

DASH (although a bad joke as a project) and ETH have right now opened a new dimension in thinking about so called "alt-coins".
Why should ETH or XMR be just worth 7 or 14 USD? Why not 40 or 50 USD, while BTC is marching towards 2k USD and more.
hero member
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March 15, 2017, 11:52:58 PM
$31 Canadian.  wow.

could we please slow down FFS... this will only lead to worse things.
legendary
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March 15, 2017, 11:17:47 PM
$31 Canadian.  wow.
full member
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March 15, 2017, 10:56:05 PM
Monero is going Parabolic!  Shocked

Edit: Well, that was short lived, at least for now.
sr. member
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March 15, 2017, 10:31:05 PM
Is it happening? I think it might be happening.
hero member
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March 15, 2017, 10:12:02 PM

Aaaand we broke $20, and new BTC local high of 0.0164.



Aaaand whoops, there's $21+  Shocked  and BTC 0.017   Grin  

That was quick LOL





{Edit} P.S.

Aaaand whoops, again... nope, that's $22+  Shocked  and BTC 0.018   Grin  

That was quicker LOL

This is fun but I gotta stop watching the charts and go to bed... LOL

Hopefully we will be over 0.020 when I wake up?  Fingers crossed...   Grin
legendary
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March 15, 2017, 10:08:13 PM

As for the Monero price, right now we're currently continuing the cool drive back up to the previous local 0.0169 high. A little turbulence can be expected as we attempt to break through resistance, but you'd be wise to hang tight. Once we've broken through 0.0169, it will be an easy slingshot up to the main ATH, particularly in combination of an uncertain bitcoin and a potential Dash evacuation.

So, basically fasten your seatbelts, grab yourself a Piña colada, stick on some Burt Bacharach, and enjoy the ride.

Buckle up.

hero member
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March 15, 2017, 09:11:40 PM
Aaaand we broke $20, and new BTC local high of 0.0164.
legendary
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March 15, 2017, 09:04:46 PM
I'm such an idiot. I bought into this suckers rally. Is it going back to $12 or is this part of a bigger movement?

Wish there was more price speculation and less discussion of 0s/2 warp

Buy a little.  If it goes up, buy a little more.  If it goes down, buy a little more.  If it goes down a lot, buy a lot  Cheesy


Feeling better?  Wink
full member
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March 15, 2017, 08:36:39 PM
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I agreed with you then and I agree with you now, those masternode coins are fueling this in concert with large Dash bagholders. This is a coordinated movement. But they could not keep XMR price suppressed forever so I expect as XMR rises dash should start the inverse and then boom the big dump is going to be epic.

What I am not sure of is if the dumpers will hold in BTC or rebuy lower (probally) or move into other markets. I think that is the million dollar question.


Anyway it's really nice to see the positive movement going on!

If the dumpers are short XMR they have to buy XMR to cover their positions. This is the essence of a short squeeze.

Another problem is that Polo has stopped adding to their list of marginable coins.  So, we have only a few that are worth bothering with, for example not many people are actively trading Clam or Stellar due to their low price and volume, yet it remains on the list. While other new coins are not added... I think it would spread some of this shorting pressure out a bit if there were another half dozen coins with decent liquidity that people could margin trade besides Monero.

Of course in this case, the Dashstards are also gunning for Monero so, it maybe wouldn't have made a world of difference but, I think in normal times it would be a benefit.
legendary
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March 15, 2017, 08:24:40 PM
It is good to see under 200k XMR on sell side. and over 2k BTC on a buy side without any obvious fake walls. This weekend will for sure look extra bright for Monero.
sr. member
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bagholder since 2013
March 15, 2017, 07:14:24 PM
Conspiracy theory: Polo got pwned and Dash is being used to cash out the proceeds.   Undecided
sr. member
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March 15, 2017, 07:05:48 PM

First the spork activation can make a good cover for someone planning such a leveraged long with minimal impact on the market.  One still has to ask the question where did the 500,000 Dash go. The price moved up sharply so it was not dumped, furthermore there is very little Dash available for lending. This leaves collateral for a leveraged longs as a reasonable plausible alternative. Such positions have up to now being very profitable.

So how does one set up a Dash leveraged  long position on Poloniex for example?. One deposits Dash into Poloniex and then borrows another coin to sell short for more Dash. It is here where Monero comes in. The combination of very low Monero interest rates, a very large availability of Monero for lending, a highly liquid Monero market, together with a bearish bias until the beginning of March made Monero a very attractive candidate for the short side of the long Dash position. Furthermore as long a Dash rises at a faster rate than Monero the Dash / Monero spread is fine and in fact the rising Monero price may serve to further fuel the Dash bubble. The key market to watch here is DASH/XMR https://poloniex.com/exchange#xmr_dash Dash is currently trading for ~5 XMR this is below the ~7.8 XMR in August of 2016 for example. So the Dash bubble may still have some legs.  The net result of all of this is that the Dash bubble may be fuelled in part by low Monero interest rates, and the development of sizable Long Dash / Short Monero positions.

Like any bubble the current Dash bubble will eventually crash and the pigs will go to the slaughterhouse. The impact on the broader Monero markets would be: A rising  default risk of Monero loans collateralized by Dash and a significant overall Monero short squeeze. Should this occur those who have taken delivery of their XMR  should be in the strongest position to profit from the resulting blood on the streets.



Chapeau
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March 15, 2017, 07:05:39 PM
Thanks to all above for replies: Just to further try and get my head around all this, here's a further bit of theory for us all to maybe chew on...

Seems possible to me that maybe the purpose of this Epic Pump (if indeed it's what it is? And not something organic?) is intended to "buy legitimacy" for the Dash coin project AT EVEN A VERY EXPENSIVE MARKET MANIPULATION PRICE just because a go-for-broke Hail Mary Pass *will* be necessary if it's going to survive?

In other words:

1. The Master Dashers use up all their firepower ammo in this epic mother of all pumps JUST TO GET their coin UP in market cap rating to #3
2. The TIMING of this just when Bitcoin is going thru the worst point of its scaling political problems is "interesting" to say the least
3. Achieving #3 Market Cap Position, Dash gains very valuable media attention and Internet "chatter" - "success breeds success!" in theory
4. This apparent "victory" of DASH as "King of Alts" as "Bitcoin 2.0" then leads to (they hope?) actual MERCHANT ADOPTION...Huh
5. Merchant adoption provides users someplace to actually spend their Dash at faster and cheaper transactions than FAILING BITCOIN can do!!
6. Virtuous-Cycle of #3 to #4 to #5 continues a while (they hope?)
7. Finally... number #6 goes on long enough to take on its own life BEFORE THE PUMPERS run out of FUEL and the whole efforts crashes and burns...?

What do you guys think...? 

Is something like this really going on here, to maybe try and make Dash "real" ??
-OR-
Is it really just a Poloniex-based, simple P&D operation as seen before, but just THIS TIME on a larger scale than's ever been attempted previously??
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March 15, 2017, 06:47:36 PM
Though I've thought the DASH pump should have ended long ago, the ETH and XMR bull market seems to have begun and hopefully that will pull some volume in.  I expect the DASH cabal to keep holding the price up, but I also expect many of the retail traders to take profit and go into ETH and XMR.  Other alts will still vie for position but time is getting limited...only the strong will survive the next couple years. 
legendary
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March 15, 2017, 06:44:36 PM
...

I agreed with you then and I agree with you now, those masternode coins are fueling this in concert with large Dash bagholders. This is a coordinated movement. But they could not keep XMR price suppressed forever so I expect as XMR rises dash should start the inverse and then boom the big dump is going to be epic.

What I am not sure of is if the dumpers will hold in BTC or rebuy lower (probally) or move into other markets. I think that is the million dollar question.


Anyway it's really nice to see the positive movement going on!

If the dumpers are short XMR they have to buy XMR to cover their positions. This is the essence of a short squeeze.

XMR loan pool is at a recent high with very low rates, I doubt there is a large amount out right now.
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