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Topic: [XMR] Monero Speculation - page 936. (Read 3314350 times)

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November 16, 2016, 06:01:38 PM
Most people know the GUI is coming. I can only see this drop being due to bitcoin going up, people panicking and thinking that they can buy XMR later as the GUI is coming in 1-2 weeks.

In my case I will be buying some in this turmoil Smiley

The perception that the GUI will make the price go higher is only true in the short and long term pictures.

Initial spike makes sense, but what really matters is the longer term adoption that allows monero's price to grow.

In the medium term, who knows what will happen.

And also who knows how much of the "GUI" has been priced in to the price already since it is common knowledge ahead of time much like bitcoin block halving is known ahead of time.

I would say for "traders" the GUI has so often been postponed that they might actually wait till there are downloadable binaries :p
legendary
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Doomed to see the future and unable to prevent it
November 16, 2016, 04:47:56 PM
Serious question: How do those of you who support the Monero project, i.e. want it to succeed, justify selling moneroj at this embryonic stage of the ecosystem's development? Doesn't selling moneroj weaken the Monero project by demoralizing and disincentivizing the entire ecosystem?

I'm not judging anyone here, just curious how traders who are also supporters of the Monero project (and not just profiteers) think. I'm a hodler by temperament.

Shorters (and their lenders) help Monero by

1)  Aiding stability and price discovery by providing liquidity, thus absorbing volatility and smoothing out spikes/dips, as KoziTwo explained in detail

2)  Encouraging wider distribution by filling bids when someone wants to borrow and dump, which aids Network Effect (Nielsen)

3)  Causing economic illiterates ("zomg I hate teh nasty shorters and hope tey get h4x0rd1!1!!") to self identify

4)  Increasing profits of the facilitating exchange; IE Polo benefits not only from XMR activity but also the ETH, etc. volume attracted as well, which encourages more exchange adaption via profit motive (you know the other exchanges are mad/jealous Polo is eating 41% of their ETH lunch while they fight over the leftovers)

Holy Shit that was so funny I almost Ralphed!!!

So how much is loaned out now? The lack of low cost loans right now and high BTC is keeping me bullish. Anyone wanna sell me some via paypal? PM me.
newbie
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November 16, 2016, 03:38:56 PM
Most people know the GUI is coming. I can only see this drop being due to bitcoin going up, people panicking and thinking that they can buy XMR later as the GUI is coming in 1-2 weeks.

In my case I will be buying some in this turmoil Smiley

The perception that the GUI will make the price go higher is only true in the short and long term pictures.

Initial spike makes sense, but what really matters is the longer term adoption that allows monero's price to grow.

In the medium term, who knows what will happen.

And also who knows how much of the "GUI" has been priced in to the price already since it is common knowledge ahead of time much like bitcoin block halving is known ahead of time.

Yes, it is as you said. Here is my speculation:

- Short term: Release of GUI will spike the price, not sure by how much but my guess is to 12-14$ or a bit above ATH which will be followed by a correction to around 11$.

I believe the spike will occur because I think lots of people have been waiting for the GUI, entry barrier lowered (When I first found monero, I did not want to deal with the CLI and it put me off big time) and people seeing that Monero is still in active development with great devs which will increase trust on the project.

The DNM adoption will probably increase by a lot as well since a GUI+RingCT.... there's not much reason on using BTC over XMR. They will most likely want to feel secure in their transactions and protect their privacy.

- Medium term: I think it will be a slow adoption rate with some upspikes along the way (RingCT in January, KOVRI development, rich people buying XMR) for a year or so. More and more people will find out that Monero is not a scam but the real deal. It is very difficult to see what will happen medium term but I personally remain quite optimistic!
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November 16, 2016, 03:18:33 PM
Isn't it obvious that the decline of the last day is due to the BTC rise?

When BTC went up around two weeks ago, XMR went down. XMR started to go up again, when BTC came to a stop and reached previous levels at around 0.01.
In relation to dollar XMR profited from the BTC rise, it was around 4 $ went up to 7 is still at $ 6.36.

When BTC rises traders jump ship and since XMRs volume is much smaller, the percentage it goes down is bigger than the percentage BTC goes up.

XMR has shown a lot of strength during the last weeks.

XMR also recovered much quicker than all the other alts from the BTC rise two weeks ago, another good sign.
legendary
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November 16, 2016, 03:14:10 PM
Btc up 5% Monero down 25%, seems about right  Huh

It was same last weeks. tomorrow when BTC will drop 5% Monero will go up 25%   It is called "November BTC rally panic".
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LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
November 16, 2016, 02:57:18 PM
Most people know the GUI is coming. I can only see this drop being due to bitcoin going up, people panicking and thinking that they can buy XMR later as the GUI is coming in 1-2 weeks.

In my case I will be buying some in this turmoil Smiley

The perception that the GUI will make the price go higher is only true in the short and long term pictures.

Initial spike makes sense, but what really matters is the longer term adoption that allows monero's price to grow.

In the medium term, who knows what will happen.

And also who knows how much of the "GUI" has been priced in to the price already since it is common knowledge ahead of time much like bitcoin block halving is known ahead of time.
legendary
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November 16, 2016, 02:47:33 PM
Btc up 5% Monero down 25%, seems about right  Huh
newbie
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November 16, 2016, 02:44:31 PM
Most people know the GUI is coming. I can only see this drop being due to bitcoin going up, people panicking and thinking that they can buy XMR later as the GUI is coming in 1-2 weeks.

In my case I will be buying some in this turmoil Smiley
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November 16, 2016, 02:32:51 PM
bottom has been hit - this is whales manipulating price down - they know the rise is coming next week

There's almost always some form of manipulation, but take a look at the Polo market list.  Everything is in the red.

This drop is purely the BTC rise.  

That said, I think you're correct about the rise next week.  And with BTC up and XMR down, it's a pretty good time to buy some additional XMR - if you were already holding BTC.
sr. member
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November 16, 2016, 02:32:45 PM
any guesses on the bottom  Huh

0.004x in 3-5 weeks
legendary
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LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
November 16, 2016, 02:32:25 PM
Anyone recall how alts did during the last major Bitcoin rally years ago? Specifically, did they start to rise as along with Bitcoin as part of the blockchain awareness wave grew?

I know Litecoin moved in tandem with Bitcoin, just don't remember if others eventually did too.


Initially as bitcoin rose, all alts fell until a breaking point where all alts shot up.

Not sure if this time around it will be the same thing. Who knows.
legendary
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LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
November 16, 2016, 02:31:22 PM
is this the new exponential trend channel XMR is bound to for the next several months?

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November 16, 2016, 02:09:46 PM
Anyone recall how alts did during the last major Bitcoin rally years ago? Specifically, did they start to rise as along with Bitcoin as part of the blockchain awareness wave grew?

I know Litecoin moved in tandem with Bitcoin, just don't remember if others eventually did too.
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November 16, 2016, 02:04:46 PM
bottom has been hit - this is whales manipulating price down - they know the rise is coming next week
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November 16, 2016, 01:52:18 PM
any guesses on the bottom  Huh
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November 16, 2016, 01:33:59 PM
Is this our final capitulation as it was expected.... Or just the BTC spike to 730-ish?
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70% the BTC spike and 30% panic.
legendary
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November 16, 2016, 12:59:25 PM
Is this our final capitulation as it was expected.... Or just the BTC spike to 730-ish?

Has no one noticed the drop under 0.01 and 0.009 already under assault as I type?

Volume not massive but high enough...

I hope you have your buys set, Ladies and Gentlemen?
legendary
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November 16, 2016, 12:41:48 PM
Quote from: saddambitcoin link=topic=753252.msg16889548#msg16889548 date=1479261050
[quote author=pa link=topic=753252.msg16887205#msg16887205 date=1479239490
Serious question: How do those of you who support the Monero project, i.e. want it to succeed, justify selling moneroj at this embryonic stage of the ecosystem's development? Doesn't selling moneroj weaken the Monero project by demoralizing and disincentivizing the entire ecosystem?

I'm not judging anyone here, just curious how traders who are also supporters of the Monero project (and not just profiteers) think. I'm a hodler by temperament.

I don't sell Monero, I spend it. Of course I have a holding stash and a spending stash, you might say. It makes me feel good to do at least one Monero transaction per day. Buying, selling, just keep the funds moving! Using Monero is what makes the economy grow. It's fantastic.

I am curious to know what are you buying with Monero?
How's your Zcash doing?




How's your Zcash doing?
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Not yet bought any since the price is still high. I might consider buying some at 0.001-0.002 but not for more than that. I did bought initially into XMR for 0.004 and regretted later when the price dropped to 0.001 due to Bitcoinexpress attack.
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November 16, 2016, 12:22:44 PM
Every time retard TC appears and starts his shit talk about "XMR soon 100, 1000,10000$" the price drops and people are running to BTC. Every time he just shuts up the price is rising. I guess it's always a bad sign TrueCryptionare appears. Investors are loosing confidence when crazy people come and talk. TC you hyped zcash so much. Best and most professional Team you said. Soon official currency in the world. Please just stick to zcash. Since you hyped it, it lost value. You are a curse for every crypto
hero member
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November 16, 2016, 12:21:15 PM

now that is not true... you can buy anything through xmr.to as binaryfate and the gang have btc on stock...


Okay, LOL... so adjust my point to say generally "so long as XMR.TO is actually working as intended"  Tongue

Yeah, nobody's gonna buy a luxury yacht anytime soon with Monero, LOL.

Anyway I'm HODL'ing until some day when we'll be able to buy that luxury yacht with just one or two XMR  Grin
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