Topic: XMR vs DRK - page 11. (Read 69785 times)

i sadly bought into darkcoin dash, this was before i found out about its instamine, and im hoping to sell if it pumps again to get out of this dog shit.

lets get a few things straight. cryptography that monero uses is like the blockchain itself, so breaking into it is near impossible, just as breaking into bitcoins blockchain is near impossible. darkcoin dash uses a much dumber approach to anonymity, all darkcoin dash does is mix the components of the coin. incase you didnt know, mixing can always be reversed, it might take a bit of time to do but you can always reverse a transaction that has been mixed.  i feel literal pain reading the dogshit that you type, need to get an aspirin.

You can't deanonymize anything on the Monero blockchain without the private key or view key of a transaction or wallet! That's all you can see, is what a key reveals, nothing more. You can't identify backwards who sent moneroj to that address. You can deanonymize DRK by MITM attacking the masternodes, a trivial task for law enforcement when such a large amount of Masternodes are on third party providers e.g. Amazon AWS.

post starts with 'you are stupid' - you must be an XMR investor?

i will try to make my point clearer, maybe i am not communicating well enough:

DRK anonymity - does not rely on cryptography, information required to deanonimize is not accessible after the anonimization (unless you control vast part of the MN network)

XMR anonymity - relies on cryptography, information required to deanonimize is accessible in the blockchain (encrypted) at any time after the anonimization

...then my understanding is people like andytoshi are saying 'you have to use cryptography' and xmr people are saying 'there has to be mathematical proof' to prove the anonymity system is secure - my references to complex systems were trying to explain this isn't true.  what has cryptography got to do with moving information out of a system (by making it more ambiguous)?  how is using a process like cryptography better in this case?  encrypting the info to deanonimize e.g. a darknet transaction and storing it on the blockchain in-perpetuity seems like a really dumb idea for anyone who cares about security. (and yes i am aware that drk's anonymity system uses cryptography for the underlying system)

this is supposed to be an 'XMR vs DRK' thread, I haven't seen this point yet, everyone who just calls me stupid instead of showing how the above is stupid *is stupid*?

Is drk actually doing this? I asked for a detailed description earlier from you and it didn't seem that you understood how drk worked enough to make a statement such as this with real confidence.

Great smokescreen.  Nice way to derail the thread.

ay, no offense but you're a dumbass. i just read your posts and all of them are stupid as hell. you're copy pasting stuff from wikipedia and have no clue about any of it.

So i guess that by that you are saying that math is so developed it can even describe the formation of the whole universe because you watched a video of a computer model?.

And andytoshi said "I'm not sure what you mean by "math hasn't got to the stage where it can describe complex systems". I have a math degree and several published papers in mathematics and I can't for the life of me square this claim with actual work in the field. "

So neither of you are aware of some fundamental unsolved maths problems which appear quite mundane, like a complete model for how turbulence works: "In particular, solutions of the Navier–Stokes equations often include turbulence, which remains one of the greatest unsolved problems in physics, despite its immense importance in science and engineering." 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navier%E2%80%93Stokes_existence_and_smoothness
https://terrytao.wordpress.com/2007/03/18/why-global-regularity-for-navier-stokes-is-hard/

or until a few years ago we didn't even have a model for how sound waves actually work: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonlinear_acoustics

both complex systems....math not work yet (ok non-linear acoustics was just found...)

And my point that it is more secure to remove information from a system than to keep it in the system encoded, which means you don't need cryptography for all parts of a cryptocurrency, was avoided.

I wonder how Illodin feels about that since from the quotes it appears that he was one of the people trying to get this mining up and running trying to be one of the first to insta-mine it.

I would not be happy if i was mislead like that.  It seems that in this case Evan certainly did not keep his word at least not as it could have been reasonably understood from his posts.

He did post before the launch but it was only three hours later (the same day in Evan's time zone),  ignoring his promises of "definitely not" minutes/hours and the "sooner [sic] would be tomorrow"

Is it true that Evan did not keep this promise of not starting coin mining until he follows up with these folks and in this thread?

He's either a complete retard who can't read a clock/calendar or it was deliberate manipulation. I don't believe 'bungled'

Almost, but not quite good enough. If you really knew, you would've just answered without any ambiguity. Go and learn it, and you'll know what I mean.

A picture is worth 1000 monkeys right?

http://dp8hsntg6do36.cloudfront.net/53695e6b69702d3910050000/low.webm

Masternode blinding isn't implemented. Masternodes currently know the inputs and outputs that go through them(mixing). The NSA would be able to easily take advantage of that, coupled with the fact that most masternodes are hosted online, on centralized servers.

Again, redundant question and seems fairly obvious that you know, or should know that already. But as I've outed you as a troll and liar in my previous posts, I should know not to expect anything of substance from you. As I've answered all your questions, even those that were redundant/obvious trolling, along with outing you as a liar, I now say good day. If anyone looking on would like to see, simply go through my recent post history or look at the last few pages of this thread with the text I've quoted to see illodin's inaccurate, trollish, and deceitful posts.

Again, you're talking about something different as if I had asked "is there a chart showing %" or something.

The question was, what is the most important data exactly that the attacker (realistically, only the NSA) would collect?

If you say it's "Information on user's transactions(Sender/Receiver)", it's like answering "by spending double" when asked how do you perform a double spend in Bitcoin.


PS. It's funny watching what lengths one can go just to not have to say "I don't know".

Do you know anything about Darksend at all?...

Obviously I'm not talking about individual masternodes, as I said a "large portion of nodes", maybe if you stopped trolling and started reading better, you wouldn't be asking redundant questions.

One of your fellow DRK supporters posted a little chart showing the % possibilities to deanonymize darksend transactions, therefore finding the original sender/receiver, based upon how many nodes are owned. You should look at it.

"Information on user's transactions(Sender/Receiver)"

And why do you think masternodes would have that information?

"What is the most important data exactly that the attacker (Realistically, only the NSA) would collect"? = Information on user's transactions(Sender/Receiver) through the possibility of deanonymizing darksend transactions by controlling a large portion of nodes.

I'm seriously doubting your learning skills. You again demonstrate that you can't piece 2+2 together. Ok.

That's not what I asked. But by now it's clear you have no clue as you don't want to answer but to regurgitate your centralized software mantra without actually knowing what it means.

Did you read what I said earlier, or are you purposely skipping over things? There is still a chance to deanonymize Dash transactions that have been through Darksend just by owning a large # of masternodes. The centralization part comes from the fact that most masternodes are hosted online on centralized servers, making it that much easier for the NSA to take control of them. Regardless of that, the hosting providers can take control of the nodes since they are the ones hosting the nodes on their servers, which means Dash's masternode network isn't just susceptible to government attacks, but attacks by regular websites/companies that the nodes are hosted on as well. Get it?

AKA

NSA takes over servers dash is hosted on online, NSA has a chance to deanonymize Dash transactions

Is that simple enough for you to understand? Wholly molly.