Topic: XMR vs DRK - page 10. (Read 69785 times)

Stop posting, mate.
This tread had brilliant posts (and im not talking about "Monero is BETTER" or "DRK is the MOST ASWESOME" posts) that gave an insight to all of us on how things are done, what is under the hood of any crypto and how is development being carried out.
Instead of discussing in a reasonable way things that you are interested in or providing your opinion on the matter, instead of admitting that you know shit about any of this (because, seriously, your knowledge on the matter is close to 0), all you have been doing is one huge gish galoop.
You killed the thread, you made all of them NONBELIEVERS give up.
Now walk away

1. Why should they?
2. What threats?
3. How are you not trolling?

yep, ok fair comment

good luck with your investments and crypto dreams

Will mom and dad receive threats from foundation members?

scammy pump and dump altcoin..mom and dad coins will lose value 

Just in time for your mom and dad:

http://cointelegraph.com/news/113781/darkcoin-is-now-dash-and-not-a-moment-too-soon

If I had to chose then would I say XMR.
I think DRK is a pump'n'dump like any other altcoin, I just don't see what i brings.
Also for wide adaptation, I cannot picture my mom or dad going down to the store and say
"oh dear, how many "Darkcoin" does the milk cost" - the name sucks adaption wise.
Same as with those "blackcoin" or "whitecoin", will never be adapted because of the name.

ok let's summarise the convo:

critic: DASH isn't fungible, the coins will all end up tainted.
me: hang on, that's not true because of the mixing process?
you: DASH's code causes inevitable centralization and is not as fungible as ring signatures.

See the disconnect there? your answer is just a spurious technical claim and then 'my dad's bigger than your dad'

Johnny M actually gave a decent answer to this question last night, I'll respond to him once I've given it some more thought.


I'm just trying to be reasonable - there's no point having a mud-slinging match with you guys, you're too well rehearsed with the mud-slinging I figured I'd approach the discussion more as I might IRL.


So you say, but show me a code review with any detail. You keep going on about centralization without any solid technical arguments. You don't really know how Darksend or Masternodes work - none of the critics on here seem to, but will say they're broken anyway  



OK, well if you can pick a technial point that I've not followed up on then I'll gladly look at it, but I don't think that's the case. Where a reasonable point has been made against anything I've said I've accepted it. There's also been a lot of hot air, some of which I've ignored, unsurprisingly.


Vertoe essentially makes one point - Evan is key man for DRK and that makes it centralised. Hold the front page!

INSTAMINE! INSTAMINE! INSTAMINE! I look forward to you marching the streets with your INSTAMINE placard and DASH foundation effigies.

Probably it will be a while i agree. As an analogy, even if hammers are useless 100 years from now does that mean that everyone everywhere should stop manufacturing and using hammers right now? I think not. They are pretty damn useful right now, and will continue to be for some time so we should definitely get as much use out of them as we can so long as they are useful.

Which is better, Pepsi or Coca-Cola? Depends on one's opinion.

Neither has much support in that area you mentioned, YET, that I know of. I could certainly be wrong, though.

So this topic has been going for how long? Does that mean that nobody knows which is better?

It seems DASH is winning the market cap war. Does XMR or DASH have any large support in dark web bazaars?

the only thing that can break ring signatures is quantum computers, those can also break into blockchains like bitcoins so everything is gonna be fucked 20, 30 years from now until its made quantum computer resistant or something

no way man. the science of cryptography is a never ending battle of attrition. the ring signatures that monero uses will be broken some day. count on it. that doesnt mean we cant have a hell of a party while they hold and make some great use out of them before they are broken

*edit* with the exception of one time pads. those are a priori secure forever.

thats exactly what i said about darkcoin dash. i bought in at .024 and didnt know it had a instamine, now im out of luck and fucked. darkcoin dash is hiding its instamine from people, that scam doodooshit community. i dont know much about about cryptocurrencies generally but i know how to code. I found out about monero a few days ago and monero does has a way better anonymity than darkcoin dash since mixing can always be unraveled. moneros anonymity uses ring signatures and thats been around before bitcoin even existed, so its impossible to break.

 

the market decides, XMR won this thread

Despite how difficult it may or may not be it is still at least an order of magnitude riskier to have to trust a third party!

' i feel literal pain reading the dogshit that you type' - you must be a monero investor ®

'cryptography that monero uses is like the blockchain itself, so breaking into it is near impossible, just as breaking into bitcoins blockchain is near impossible. '

that's not correct, cryptonote uses it's own system for the cryptography as i understand it.

and that system is the gatekeeper that prevents people in the future from deanonimizing your XMR transactions (assuming someone doesn't steal/extort/confiscate your viewkey or the PC that it lives on)

and people have speculated that Cryptonote has vulnerabilities in it (nothing to do with Bitcion's code which has been vetted 1000s of times and proved in the market)

one example is Berstein said elliptic curve's signature generation algorithm should use a deterministic random to eliminate dependency on random generation derived from external events.

Cryptonote added nondeterministic randoms through the random_scalar function...so that's an implanted vulneability.

I haven't read the code so IDK, but when I raise the response is not 'here is the code and it's not true' or 'yes we fixed that already', it's 'get your tinfoil hats on'

and you right i type dogshit?  how can you sit there and type that to someone trying to discuss the topic on the thread you are in (and setup buy the coin you suport) lol?

EDIT: i'm done here, in all the 13 months of all the alts, xmr is *the* shittiest community around. i wouldn't invest if it was the last currency on earth. lol

ok so you are accepting my premise of the differences. you just have a different opinion on the comparative security.  Your opinion is that MN network is easy to compromise and because you need the private key in XMR it is bullet proof forever.  And my opinion is that it is actually extremely difficult to gain control of the MN network to deanonimize transactions (94.00% control for a 0.708% chance of deanonimizing a transaction) and that secondly if there is any vulnerability found in the XMR ring signature implementation at any time in the future, you can go back and deanonimize *everything* (for example if a Heartbleed style vulnerability was found in XMR's ring sig implementation, instead of just patching it and moving forward, the whole currency goes bang).

so maybe exchanging opinions like this, instead of calling people 'charlatans' and 'stupid', might help investors... (who are coming here to learn the difference between XMR and DRK)

DoRK anonymisery works by:

 wishing really really hard and trusting in this one awesome guy named Evan.
He wud never mislead his sheepz!
And when he doos, it wuz only a wittle mistakey-poo!