Topic: XMR vs DRK - page 23. (Read 69785 times)

Again, the manipulation. So, you have no problem with Blocka responding to these things, but when I respond you get angry..Makes sense.

Dude we are going round in absolute fucking circles.

Are you actually reading all the posts in this thread?

+1000

Amen to that.

But we already agreed, several times on this thread, that against TLA/guv adversary all bets are off.

All coins is fucked, is what we said.

At which point we get back to the still unanswered 'fit-for-purpose' argument.

Is DASH providing sufficient privacy for all sub-TLA adversaries?

If it is, and it's got loads of other great features (InstantX, BTC API compatibilty, two-factor authentication etc), then it's full of win

Yeah sure, if you want to do all that then go for it. BTC is your new anon coin

Or you could use DASH to do all the mixing for you while you do something else.



The point is you would have to compromise loads of Masternodes to get any useful information. These are simple daemon's listening on a single TCP port, just open this up on your VPS or firewall and off you go. The daemon is forked off Bitcoin Core which is pretty well hardened, DoS resistant etc.

Go and portscan a bunch of masternodes and see what you turn up...

Why your privacy is essential:

thanks! This thread is too hot to actually provide responses with meat, and im in the middle of some home chores, but I know there's something important in your focus on the fact that its not coins, its addresses, inputs / outputs, etc. ... there's a podcast I need to edit that might be useful, if I get around to editing it.

Okay, the major point still stands, if we're going to upset TPTB's entire financial system with a protocol that allows us to opt out, you're going to want that on-chain anonymity to not have to trust anyone else to ensure your anonymity against said PTB.

majamina I'm going to play devil's advocate with you, so bear with me here.


Easily? If all I want is to obfuscate I can send it to myself 1000 times through various transaction splitting and recombining, and I can send it it and out of exchanges. I can even setup a BitPay account and pay myself for fake goods. If every step in my self-mixing path has a 50/50 chance of being mine then a mix of 1000 steps plus some exchanges and BitPay is 1010 steps for example. So the chance of figuring out its me is 2 to the power of 1010. Google says that your chance of deanonymising me is 1 in 10 to the power of 304. I saw some 10 to the power of 40 numbers thrown around earlier, so are we safe in saying that Bitcoin can easily be made 7 times more private than Dash?


MasterNodes are also a trusted mixing service. How do you as a user prove that the MasterNodes you use not keep logs or aren't reporting to some adversary?


Security I'm less worried about, but how are MasterNodes trustless? I know, I know, there's a 1 in 10 to the power of something chance, but then why not just use Bitcoin? If you think that a 35 year old neck-beard living in his mother's basement can secure his MasterNode that is quite worrying. I never thought about it in those terms until a few hours ago. Read this and then tell me if you think that even an advanced MasterNode operator can keep it secure: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_surveillance_disclosures_(2013–present)

I do respect what Evan is trying to achieve but this thread has opened my eyes. Just in the past 24 hours I have read about how British Airways got hacked and Slack got hacked for days, and Nigeria's Electoral Commission website got hacked. If powerful organisations can't secure their servers what makes you think that 2,000 MasterNode operators will be any different?

sure I agree with that, but nobody has been able to show how anyone less than NSA/guv could take DASH across that line.

I'm assuming DeboraMeek's female for some reason--dunno, why....

Re: Is Bitcoin good enough; there aren't critically important improvements needed?
December 02, 2014, 08:44:32 PM
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Quote from: franky1 on December 02, 2014, 08:35:49 PM
Quote from: jonald_fyookball on December 02, 2014, 08:33:28 PM
good points Franky, but to be fair to the OP, that is what the poll is asking:
would you switch to another coin?  I voted no.

i voted no too

Good riddence. You continue to post off topic nonsense. For example (and there are many more), without on chain anonymity it is impossible to have robust untraceability and unlinkability no matter what anonymity techniques you do off chain. That you don't understand this, shows you are not technically qualified to blabber (which we already proved in the thread linked from the OP), but yet you do foam at the mouth any way with lies such as "you changed the title thus you are moving closer to my position". Liar. I changed the title because I realized it was possible to achieve the same level of pool centralization we have now within the proposed anonymity paradigm. Typical ignorant politician, all you know how to do is lie and fool the constituents. You lack technical ability.

franky1 I wouldn't want an idiot like you any where near me. I am thus grateful you voted 'no'. Do I need to say it more clearly? You are a Dunning-Kruger blabber mouth dolt who lies and debates disingenuously.

The reason the dark coins have failed (if they have) is because they suck. I don't write software that sucks. We can start with the fact that they don't solve any use case (neither does Bitcoin but it did solve the delusion use case and was first). They don't make transactions faster. They have block chain bloat (Monero) or they are subject to Sybil attack on master nodes (DarkCoin).

I (as AnonyMint) have long ago stated that from a marketing perspective anonymity alone was not a sufficient use case for a crypto-currency.

What you haven't realized is that I proposed a use case that could skyrocket the demand for an anonymous coin. And it is good you failed to realize this. Carry on ignoramus. Nothing for you here.

These are valid points, well presented.

I think there's something in what your saying, but ultimately it's adoption that's key, and adoption stems from from utility, promotion and network effects. A coins supporters clearly have influence here, as do their opponents (hence trolling effort ), but I'm inclined to think that the people leading a project will most influence the outcome.

I think he brings up a good point. Fanboys are emotionally labile and if a crypto's price is being supported mainly by fanboys who don't understand the technical aspects of their cryptocurrency and why it is good or better than another currency then they must be involved in that crypto for 1 of 2 reasons:

1. Price
2. Hype

If a crypto is supported by fanboys who's main concern is price and hype, what happens when price goes down or the hype fades away? All support for the coin vanishes and it goes down in the books as another pump and dump (not to even mention Dash's 'accidental' pre-mine).

If you're going to choose a privacy coin pick one with a good dev team (with no pre-mines), good community support and has people involved in it that aren't blinded by its day to day price.

I invite you all to Monero: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=753252.new#new

The choice is yours.

OK great, thanks....would be really interested to hear your findings.