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hero member
Activity: 966
Merit: 1003
April 07, 2015, 05:04:24 PM
I was just about to ask for his btc address when I looked over the terms of my bet. It seems I stated that 2.5x is equivalent to 250%, and that's true, but a 2.5x increase isn't equivalent to a 250% increase, so in a string of luck the wording of the bet would still have guaranteed a win. Albeit I was wrong originally.


slimy semantics wont save anyone forever

And you have already displayed your stupidity so if I was you I'd just stfu and hope everyone forgets it.
hero member
Activity: 966
Merit: 1003
April 07, 2015, 05:03:25 PM
I was just about to ask for his btc address when I looked over the terms of my bet. It seems I stated that 2.5x is equivalent to 250%, and that's true, but a 2.5x increase isn't equivalent to a 250% increase, so in a string of luck the wording of the bet would still have guaranteed a win. Albeit I was wrong originally.

Weaseling out on a technicality even though the context and intent was clear tells a lot about one's character. Can't say I'm surprised though.
legendary
Activity: 1552
Merit: 1047
April 07, 2015, 02:16:51 PM
Calculation:

X = 25

Case A:
X*250% = 62.5
X*2.5 = 62.5

Case B:
X+(X*250%) = 87.5
X*3.5 = 87.5

If he still disagrees with Case A I would love to bet. Just let me know.

Your calculations don't make sense in this case. Just look:
A: 25*250% = 6250%
B: 25+(25*250%) = 25 + 6250%
You just multiplied 25 with 250, that's not the same as 25 * 250%. Don't you know how to calculate percentage? Notice the "%" sign.

See:
25*250%

Are you saying 25*250% does not equal to 6250%?


6250% = 62.5

100% = 100/100 = 1

6250% = 6250/100 = 62.5

"%" is dimensionless
Correct. So 2.5x and 250% is the same. Which was my point. And that I am willing to bet on, if the terms are clearly stated so that there can be no confusion.
full member
Activity: 133
Merit: 100
April 07, 2015, 01:19:14 PM
Calculation:

X = 25

Case A:
X*250% = 62.5
X*2.5 = 62.5

Case B:
X+(X*250%) = 87.5
X*3.5 = 87.5

If he still disagrees with Case A I would love to bet. Just let me know.

Your calculations don't make sense in this case. Just look:
A: 25*250% = 6250%
B: 25+(25*250%) = 25 + 6250%
You just multiplied 25 with 250, that's not the same as 25 * 250%. Don't you know how to calculate percentage? Notice the "%" sign.

See:
25*250%

Are you saying 25*250% does not equal to 6250%?


6250% = 62.5

100% = 100/100 = 1

6250% = 6250/100 = 62.5

"%" is dimensionless
hero member
Activity: 504
Merit: 500
eidoo wallet
April 07, 2015, 01:08:21 PM
 I was just about to ask for his btc address when I looked over the terms of my bet. It seems I stated that 2.5x is equivalent to 250%, and that's true, but a 2.5x increase isn't equivalent to a 250% increase, so in a string of luck the wording of the bet would still have guaranteed a win. Albeit I was wrong originally.
hero member
Activity: 966
Merit: 1003
April 07, 2015, 01:03:15 PM
Calculation:

X = 25

Case A:
X*250% = 62.5
X*2.5 = 62.5

Case B:
X+(X*250%) = 87.5
X*3.5 = 87.5

If he still disagrees with Case A I would love to bet. Just let me know.

Your calculations don't make sense in this case. Just look:
A: 25*250% = 6250%
B: 25+(25*250%) = 25 + 6250%
You just multiplied 25 with 250, that's not the same as 25 * 250%. Don't you know how to calculate percentage? Notice the "%" sign.

See:
25*250%

Are you saying 25*250% does not equal to 6250%?
legendary
Activity: 1552
Merit: 1047
April 07, 2015, 12:19:58 PM
Calculation:

X = 25

Case A:
X*250% = 62.5
X*2.5 = 62.5

Case B:
X+(X*250%) = 87.5
X*3.5 = 87.5

If he still disagrees with Case A I would love to bet. Just let me know.

Your calculations don't make sense in this case. Just look:
A: 25*250% = 6250%
B: 25+(25*250%) = 25 + 6250%
You just multiplied 25 with 250, that's not the same as 25 * 250%. Don't you know how to calculate percentage? Notice the "%" sign.

See:
25*250%
hero member
Activity: 966
Merit: 1003
April 07, 2015, 11:17:49 AM
Calculation:

X = 25

Case A:
X*250% = 62.5
X*2.5 = 62.5

Case B:
X+(X*250%) = 87.5
X*3.5 = 87.5

If he still disagrees with Case A I would love to bet. Just let me know.

Your calculations don't make sense in this case. Just look:
A: 25*250% = 6250%
B: 25+(25*250%) = 25 + 6250%
hero member
Activity: 966
Merit: 1003
April 07, 2015, 11:17:39 AM
The context was that DASH went up from 0.01 to 0.025. Joshuar said that meant that it "went up by 2.5x or 250%", and I said that "something going up 2.5x is not equal to something going up 250%", then he wanted to bet that it is, to which I agreed.
hero member
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April 07, 2015, 11:17:35 AM
Holy ess dee see spam, batwoman
sr. member
Activity: 277
Merit: 250
April 07, 2015, 07:33:33 AM
can i join the bet?
legendary
Activity: 1552
Merit: 1047
April 07, 2015, 07:18:28 AM
Ok, we have a bet then. I will bet you 0.4 BTC that something going up by 2.5x does not equal it going up 250%.

I will accept whatever rpietila says the correct answer.

Darlings, I'd like to know if I can get in on this action? illodin doesn't seem to have grasped elementary school math, and I'd love to make an easy 0.4 BTC!

Ok, deal - we also have a bet.
me too please? I would also like to bet more if you are interested.
The wording of the bet isnt equal to he original statement hence the confusion.  (see fluffyponys post above)
If that's his point then the bet is off obviously.

Calculation:

X = 25

Case A:
X*250% = 62.5
X*2.5 = 62.5

Case B:
X+(X*250%) = 87.5
X*3.5 = 87.5

If he still disagrees with Case A I would love to bet. Just let me know.
legendary
Activity: 1449
Merit: 1001
April 07, 2015, 07:14:49 AM
Ok, we have a bet then. I will bet you 0.4 BTC that something going up by 2.5x does not equal it going up 250%.

I will accept whatever rpietila says the correct answer.

Darlings, I'd like to know if I can get in on this action? illodin doesn't seem to have grasped elementary school math, and I'd love to make an easy 0.4 BTC!

Ok, deal - we also have a bet.
me too please? I would also like to bet more if you are interested.
The wording of the bet isnt equal to he original statement hence the confusion.  (see fluffyponys post above)

The original statement : "If not then you admit you're wrong and that 2.5x is indeed equivalent to 250%"

The bet  :  "Ok, we have a bet then. I will bet you 0.4 BTC that something going up by 2.5x does not equal it going up 250%."
legendary
Activity: 1552
Merit: 1047
April 07, 2015, 06:56:17 AM
Ok, we have a bet then. I will bet you 0.4 BTC that something going up by 2.5x does not equal it going up 250%.

I will accept whatever rpietila says the correct answer.

Darlings, I'd like to know if I can get in on this action? illodin doesn't seem to have grasped elementary school math, and I'd love to make an easy 0.4 BTC!

Ok, deal - we also have a bet.
me too please? I would also like to bet more if you are interested.

edit: I am willing to bet according to terms stated here
hero member
Activity: 966
Merit: 1003
April 07, 2015, 06:06:34 AM
Ok, we have a bet then. I will bet you 0.4 BTC that something going up by 2.5x does not equal it going up 250%.

I will accept whatever rpietila says the correct answer.

Darlings, I'd like to know if I can get in on this action? illodin doesn't seem to have grasped elementary school math, and I'd love to make an easy 0.4 BTC!

Ok, deal - we also have a bet.
donator
Activity: 1274
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GetMonero.org / MyMonero.com
April 07, 2015, 06:06:09 AM
Ok, we have a bet then. I will bet you 0.4 BTC that something going up by 2.5x does not equal it going up 250%.

I will accept whatever rpietila says the correct answer.

Darlings, I'd like to know if I can get in on this action? illodin doesn't seem to have grasped elementary school math, and I'd love to make an easy 0.4 BTC!

No, this is something that has arisen due to innumeracy. A two-fold increase is the same as a 100% increase because of the base against which we're comparing. So if something increases 100% it means "it has increased by 100% of the original amount", i.e. it has doubled. When something increases by 250% it means "it has increased by 250% of the original amount", i.e. it is 3.5x the original.

Edit: just to add that this is such a counter-intuitive way to put things and often leads to confusion among those more mathematically inclined, so don't feel embarrassed if you owe illodin 0.4 BTC. Going up by 2.5x is the same as increasing to 250% but not the same as increasing by 250%.
hero member
Activity: 966
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hero member
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April 07, 2015, 06:00:46 AM
Ok, we have a bet then. I will bet you 0.4 BTC that something going up by 2.5x does not equal it going up 250%.

I will accept whatever rpietila says the correct answer.

Darlings, I'd like to know if I can get in on this action? illodin doesn't seem to have grasped elementary school math, and I'd love to make an easy 0.4 BTC!
legendary
Activity: 984
Merit: 1000
April 07, 2015, 04:00:52 AM
XMR have the same problem from a legal point of view

Monero is completely fungible, its the only crypto that doesnt have this problem.
Technically, other CryptoNote coins don't have this problem either (but they have a lot other, starting with ridiculous volume, since Monero is leader in CryptoNote, by far)

Are you saying that Dash would be easier for Mr Soprano (see the example I linked) to track back?
legendary
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Doomed to see the future and unable to prevent it
April 07, 2015, 04:00:38 AM
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So you're asking not to speculate but to base matters on his posts only on the subjects that suit your personal agenda?

Also, have you finished high school yet? If you had, you'd probably know that something going up 2.5x is not equal to something going up 250%. Ok, I can understand you're not good with numbers, and hence can perhaps using some twisted logic think it doesn't matter for someone if he sells at 0.01 or 0.025 if he just sells enough (50k was the number for "enough" in your case), but I can tell you that it really does matter.

If you're saying someone is "helping to create the entire infrastructure", it means he is helping to do something very fundamental to the coin's infrastructure itself, that it wouldn't be the same coin without it. At least that's how the concept of infrastructure is thought of in the software development business.

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