Topic: XMR/AEON Developer Smooth Investigation - page 19. (Read 20923 times)

Can I just ask, did you acquire any AEON yet Pegasus?  Smooth did, at least 2.5% just in donations according to the AEON thread.  Although I guess, if you just read the XMR thread, no way you could know that.

AEON market cap: $ 141,584
XMR market cap:  $ 4,201,966

AEON volume on Bittrex: $ 1,404
XMR volume on Bittrex: $ 943

Smooth's commits on AEON: 43 commits
Smooth's commits on XMR: 9 commits

Smooth's latest position on GUI with AEON hat on:


Smooth's latest position on GUI with XMR hat on:



Both coins claiming the same features:

- True anonymity & data protection
- Untraceable payments uses ring signature
- Unlinkable transactions with random data by the sender
- Blockchain analysis resistant
- CPU/GPU mining, ASIC-resistant

So just running a few scenarios...what happens as AEON grows now, with all the work Smooth is doing bringing in Monero an BBR features, and the market cap starts to approach $1 million (or 25% of XMR's).  I guess that will be new money, no other investment from the XMR community, so there is no conflict with XMR?  

I guess none of us know what Smooth is really doing right? - maybe he now has 50/50 of his holdings in both XMR / AEON.  Or maybe he dumped XMR or will do in future, or maybe the other way around.  With the lack of any confirmed information, or even a hint from the inside, no way for us to know.

One thing is sure, if AEON gets to $1 million market cap in the near future, Smooth's 2.5% of AEON will be worth $25,000.  If AEON can reach XMR's market cap, that's a cool $100,000 just from donations he received (plus anything he bought along the way).   I wonder what he will do if he is in that position with $100k+ AEON?  Keep it for the 'long haul'? Dump it and buy XMR?  Run off with the BTC?  Buy another coin?

Without any official responses or disclosure to any of this, I guess we have to speculate for the info in threads like this in the backstreets of BCT  

Another problem right now is that most of the users of cryptocurrency are the speculators. Thus decisions about which coins to invest in tends to be driven by n00bs speculators, instead of by actual use.

When we get to the point where users are more important than investors, then the market will naturally chose a winner as it did for MSDOS, Windoze, and lately Android.

In all those cases, network effects is what beat the competition (and Steve Jobs twice made that mistake of a walled garden ecosystem first for the MacOS and repeated for iOS).

My point is there are bigger fish to fry than infighting amongst ourselves. Let's go increase the size of the pie instead.

Hahaha. Well I admit I allowed myself to get sucked into something.  

I was thinking about that the other day and it is embarrassing.

The anonymity tech is difficult to explain so that distinctions can be understood by laymen.

That I as an experienced software dev (but not yet experience cryptographer) could get sucked into some misunderstandings should serve as evidence of how people such as john-conner can think they are on to something big but be entirely off.

There needs to be much better articulation all around. White papers, websites for coins, etc..

Let's see if we can raise up a bar that all coins have to rise to if they want to compete. I am not talking about fancy presentations with meaningless buzzwords (zero knowledge anonymity, zerotime, zero censorship, etc..) and insufficient detailed explanation yet that still somehow make n00bs wet their pants ('dey loves 'dem buzzwords ya know).

Let's attack through competition, not in threads. That is my call to action now.

Edit: everyone wants to think they discovered a gem. Even we devs too. The proof in the pudding is writing down proofs in a white paper. And then peer review of those. Implementation is a matter of encoding what is in the white paper. But in Bitcoin's case, much of what is encoded isn't even in any white paper. For example, Maxwell recently explained about the heuristics he uses to control Sybil attacks on P2P network interconnections. Didn't seem very sound to me. There are more Swiss cheese holes likely lurking out there in cryptoland. We need to check our pompousness at the door (meaning myself too). This stuff is difficult to fully specify formally. It is a huge effort. Should we get busy?

It wasn't meant that way. Just a light hearted observation about me being the catalyst (for the thread) that brought the two of you together a year or so later. A touch of nostalgia perhaps.

No I am not against you on this issue smooth. Please reread my post.

I am saying that your trying to do the ethical action of weeding out the scams and shit coins.

I am also saying that when we do that, we tend to get carried away (because we become so tenacious when researching and compiling the issues). For example, I was a bit upset that after reading VanillaCon's white paper that I had wasted that time on something which doesn't even have a specification. How gullible can investors be to invest in something that has no specification  

In Dash's case, hey yeah there are more holes than Swiss cheese, but they have some right to claim they are trying to do their best. They can't help it that they are just are not smart enough to do cutting edge math and other research required for something like Blockstream's Confidental Transactions or Cyptonote.

Let them have their Swiss cheese. I have not been following the premine issue at all. I don't care. It is already done. The community has too much inertia already. You have to just let it play itself out.

On AEON, I don't care what you do there. I would understand trying to get something rolling where you could make more experiments faster. I don't know how your XMR brethren feel about it. Any way, it is not my concern. Why should you not be able to compete and innovate  

I think the golden rule here is Matthew 7. Attack and you will be attacked. So you need to decide if it is really worth it? You already have the thread about the alleged premine. As for the Swiss holes in the anonymity, I think Monero could be more concise on its website as to the distinction. Communicate more clearly on the Monero website. There is far too much noise on that website IMO (as an experienced web marketer).

AnonyMint and BCX, together again!

I feel special.

Absolutely not! Censorship doesn't help.

Let us discuss.

Other than the OP's point about smooth potentially using his reputation from Monero to get a faster ROI in AEON (which the poll on this thread is not about), and also smooth's tendency to get carried away with attacking scams (this is very big issue for him), I don't see any legitimate complaint.


The post from smooth seems to summarize well:


Smooth has been trying to follow the various frauds alleged and so went over to the thread (perhaps out of boredom?) to follow up on the following. And during that time, he let himself get carried away with retorting what he believes to be a scam that is giving the entire altcoin community a bad reputation. He obviously feels as do I, that investors will shy away from all altcoin if so many scams continue to proliferate. That is why I gave my frank assessment of VanillaCon this week. I have not attacked DarkCoin and I will not attack Dash. My reasons are stated below.


Smooth would be wise to stop commenting on Dash.

I (as AnonyMint) stopped last year on DarkCoin after helping Evan a bit in public posts (no back dealings, I earned nothing from that) while also pointing out the flaws of CoinJoin (which I was the first to point out in Gmaxwell's thread on CoinJoin way before DarkCoin was ever conceived).

Dash has just enough substance that it is very difficult to successfully enlighten the foolsn00bs. Let them be foolsn00bs.

Any way we soon we can move the entire anonymity space head & shoulders away from that noise and it will be done. There won't be any need to attack Dash on a daily basis any more to protect foolsn00bs from a marginal anonymity coin that is alleged to be a scam. Trust me.

Wow BCX here, so BCX did you find success in your mission to kill Monero with an exploit you were barking like a dog about?

Suck it up, you low life

Nice pole, seems the answers are speaking for themselves.

Also from a personal experience, smooth keeps on constantly attacking other threads even though he gets every question/request answered.


Whenever someone asked an advice on a privacy oriented project, I showed them to the XMR thread/project, but it is getting boring that we keep getting attacked from a monero dev.

Yes absolutely. If I'd posted in the DASH thread and subsequently deleted the post that would definitely still count.

Edit: just to add - I'm reasonably sure I was invited into the thread many, many months ago to respond to something. OP's accusation is that I "post" in the DASH ANN with implied regularity, which is nonsense.

That is a lie, or an error. I do not know which.


Other than Monero and AEON, that is also a lie, or an error. I do not know which.

Correct. Moreover I don't "go by" that name because whenever it is used it is transparent that I'm the one making use of it. Everyone on the AEON thread knows.

EDIT: I just double checked and indeed the last post on that account was by the previous developer before I took control of it. I've never used it to post, only to edit the ANN OP.

That does not prove he is a liar, it proves you did not read all his comments in this thread. He already stated he has control over the Aeon account but just uses it for the purpose of updating the OP

No, I have never "gone by" any other name here. Not ever.

I love how good your memory is but you forgot to attack Monero -- or did you?

Wow FluffyPony you know I can not compete with youre copy paste cut skills...and delete. Notice how Smooth and Fluffy quote.
Please don't spam this thread or any thread by copy pasting codes...I have a feeling that you, Smooth and the other 26 Monero developers "lol" sat together after copying Byte coin and said NOW WHAT.

If changing font colors sounds like coding then I guess you are coders but this is also coding https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YozN5VX1VU4

Great job with your research. You have proved nothing.  I am not smooth.

Depending on your definition of competitor am I supposed to FUD BTC and LTC? How about CNY USD EUR and JPY? Just because I want BBR to succeed does not mean I am not allowed to compliment positive aspects of other currencies

There is nothing wrong with my support of other honest projects besides boolberry.

I don't know whether fluffypony has posted in the Dash thread or not but they've certainly posted about him there. Here's an example of the "professional demeanor" that early insider and instamine-protector bigrcanada claims characterizes the Dash community:

Are you high, son?

Please prove that I post in the DASH ANN by finding a post of mine. Go go go.

generalizethis,

You hit the nail on the head  Monero, Boolberry and Aeon were all fairly launched coins with reasonable emission schedules.  Boolberry is my primary focus.

blobafett2,

No need to draw conclusions from my compliments of other coins. I officially confirm I am not smooth.

Frankly there are too many conspiracy theories on bitcointalk. If you want to learn more about Boolberry visit our thread or r/boolberry. I won't make any other comments here other than I think smooth is an honest developer with a good understanding of the CryptoNote codebase.