Topic: Yesminer M20 / M10 - page 19. (Read 46919 times)

Not 'maybe' a scam.  It definitely is.  The S7 is the only miner available right now and it's twice as efficient as the S5.  These things are saying they are .06 J/GH.  I bet they're using that number since KnC promised their next gen chips will be that low as well...but nobody has seen them and they keep it all to themselves anyway.

Bitmain has been able to squeeze out major efficiency with their chips and when/if they go 16nm, they would have to beat their current gen to entice people to buy.

Maybe it is a scam maybe not.

With the current available technology, if you where to start today what hardware would make sense in order to be profitable. All the simulation that I make only show that current hardware is not profitable (S5, S7 included). With M20 you can make profit the first year of operations....

ok...i take your point maybe i hit the post button and it did not take (then again I'm on here the 'crazyness" could be coming back) good to know

but yeah ...sure wish it was true....but such news as the yesminer would have blown 21's announcement below all to hell and gone ...so it is 'fiction' imho

http://www.engadget.com/2015/09/22/21-bitcoin-computer/

See this is how it SHOULD BE DONE ...just to educate the YESMINER FOLK you ACTUALLY MAKE SOMETHING as you can see from the above post it can be stupid and 4x
the price of the parts it takes to build your own make it yourself version... ..it allows you to point to something and the press goes crazy...see the 'unicorn' exists....
look at all the BFL press fawning back in the day for a product that did exist ..but alas never shipped

then you 'continue' to get big IPO $$$ from newbies with way more money then home miners....with the usual contracts that it is risky they could lose all their $$$ (ie paycoin scam)

and VIOLA when it all goes bust like BFL you can say...'oops our vision of the btc future seems to be wrong" and walk with the cash from your fat salary and btc hoard
when times were good

I mean GM paid 900 million dollars in fines to the US Gov't for faulty ignitions and hid it for 10 years and killed about 140 folk as a result (they know of ) no jail time for anyone!

So man if you are gonna pull a scam at least put a little bit of 'elegance' into the process ..I mean really Show some frigging pride in your work

Well your posts should not be getting pulled from here as it is not self moderated so your posts should be kept. Their is https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/gruppenkauf-yesminer-m10-m20-1125157 that is self moderated and looks to be original one with the OP still around. Will be interesting to see how things progress, if it turns out not to be a scam will be hella interesting to see speeds, but if their was a video of cgminer showing hash rate than that can easily be faked with other miners added or simply rented or photo shopped.

Obvious scam.

yeah my posts pointing out also seem to have gone "poof" from this thread ...so I will point out again that there was a youtube video on yesminers (now pulled) nov/dec 2014 stating 20TH miner then (showed a cgminer screen only)

and repeat that a simple drag some reporter to your 'lab' show the thing running and chips etc...I'm sure the local paper would be thrilled at such a story..and viola
your miner is validated..but alas not so...so alas it is all just a bunch of hooey

so they are trollling again for newbie $$$ here 10 months later

(well we will see how long this post lasts)

I doubt very much they have the equipment sent a bunch of emails off yesterday after posting and had no response to them. So their 1 busy 2 not interested 3 scam and my theory is option 2 and 3 and theri a scam and only here to get peoples funds. With regards to someone doing an NDA and they don't want to that is upto them. Even still with NDA most wont unless they got the equipment and seems these are just making claims and pre orders. Maybe if we all see a video in action turning it on configuring and then some Maybe would stand a chance. But even pre orders now days game over.

need more power 

Where is my miner??? i preorder an NoMiner X200!!! 200zetahash powAAA

For those who semi-follow the German threads.. a new video was posted which supposedly shows the unit mining.  As I noted in a comment that was deleted by the thread starter ( no complaint, just that I can't point to it now ), it doesn't really prove anything.  Other ventures that ended up being scammy (e.g. labcoin) had gone down that route in the past as well.  It would be exceedingly simple to take the enclosure, put some fake data on the internal screen, show a laptop beside it with a live view of a pool (in this case they chose eligius) and say "see? it's hashing!" when in reality the pool's stats are from hashing power coming either from a different machine, or even from some rented hash (the video is pretty short, renting 20Th for a little while is well-spent if it means sales).

This is as much commentary on companies that try to 'prove' their (hardware's) existence as it is on people demanding things like pictures and videos when these are so readily fabricated.  The corollary to it is that a company that isn't reputable and/or doesn't provide solid material to reputable forum members (and even that can be iffy - see BFL) can jump through a bunch of hoops with perfectly valid hardware, and still find themselves with people who have no reason to be convinced.

even with delivery by January I suspect well see new hardware from the big manufacturers by then even if they're only sold as cloud hashing and not physical miners to the public as it appears KnC will be going that route. I also suspect Bitmain will release a more dense miner package within a few months

- 16nm 3D FinFET Bitcoin (SHA-256) Miner
- 20000 GH/s (20 TH/s)
- 1500W (at the wall)

dream on at 1500watt at the wall. And another company to provide pre orders. With all the s7 that is about to come online these not even going to be worth it. I will be glad to take a test unit as proof they are real or this is Nominer at all and just another fake company doing their rounds of scams like many other company's who make claims and fail to deliver.

This looks just like another miner that popped up a month or so ago with equally unrealistic claims. No proof no demo units seeded to Trusted forum members as every manufacturer does. I am one of the few who received a SFARD unit and I did my own write up and provided my unit to a fellow forum member for a full tear down and review. I would be willing to demo your unit and place funds in escrow to back the miner in th event I do not return it to you

Please create a new topic for companies that no one heard, and no real sale. Just waiting for the people to pay them ahead for a product that does not yet exist.


This is a forum where the most people intelligently

Or am I wrong .....

Topic of existing hardware instead of mythical devices for the dumb

 Heh they are flogging this scam again

  https://www.yesminers.de/en/mining.html

 I notice thou they took down the previous youtube video of nov/dec 2014 of a cgminer screen only showing it running at 20TH

they are trying to push this hard on

www.litecointalk.org


getting no traction at all (all that is old is new again)

come on ......if there was such a 20TH unit at the price they state 1 call to www.coindesk.com or doggie on here or hell ANYBODY would be all over it
for a review ...eyeballs for ads for www.coindesk.com alone would be worth a major review

SCAM!

and of course pre-order and of course wire xfer or BTC only




yeah but if you buy from the reseller with btc or wire xfer and they legitimately don't get it from the yesminer folk you will eat it
they will tell you to take it up with the manufacture folk...ie likely on the premise that they sold to you on a 'discount' the actual
problem with the no show of a miner they'd likely tell you to get a lawyer and go after yesminer or some angle like that imho





don't speak german anyone take you up on this?

Our herd is running thin now though!   

 I don't. As many scam miner promotions as have been around for Bitcoin by now, anyone stupid enough to buy into a "preorder" from an unknown company deserves the reward for their lack of due diligance.

Post a video of it mining and post a picture pls.

Where are the pictures of the chips? Independent testing at board level with single-chip PCB? Anything other than a picture of a put-together case and fake LCD screen?

Still a pile of vaporware shit.  I feel bad for anyone that is bought into this "pre-order".