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Topic: [∞ YH] solo.ckpool.org 2% fee solo mining USA/DE 255 blocks solved! - page 284. (Read 1514780 times)

legendary
Activity: 3500
Merit: 2792
Enjoy 500% bonus + 70 FS
Bad Luck, but we will see us :-)

Try rent from NiceHash the next time Wink

i have never tried nicehash, and i have a look in the past, but i have no info how work, to make a rental on nicehash... it is for the 1st look complex withe the two tables... i dont know what for fields i have to fill out to rent a miner
legendary
Activity: 885
Merit: 1006
NiceHash.com
Bad Luck, but we will see us :-)

Try rent from NiceHash the next time Wink
legendary
Activity: 3500
Merit: 2792
Enjoy 500% bonus + 70 FS
Bad Luck, but we will see us :-)
-ck
legendary
Activity: 4088
Merit: 1631
Ruu \o/
Grin there is a 5 Ph/s stresstest running on the pool....


Cross your fingers for willi9974 and con of course

Edit: End of the test from Willi.
Shame it didn't work out.
Though 5PH isn't a stress for this pool. I'm pretty sure it could handle 500PH. Anyone got a spare 500PH to point here?

Doing some quick calculations, I'd probably need to upgrade the hardware once it hit 100PH though for optimal performance.
legendary
Activity: 2483
Merit: 1482
-> morgen, ist heute, schon gestern <-
 Grin there is a 5 Ph/s stresstest running on the pool....


Cross your fingers for willi9974 and con of course

Edit: End of the test from Willi.
legendary
Activity: 1260
Merit: 1006
Mine for a Bit
I just found this talk.  I have 55th/s with a pool right now.  Is there a chance that it would be more profitable for me to mine solo rather than with a pool?  I currently make $3700 a month with an electric bill of $1000.  Does solo provide a better income?

Do you know how many blocks you solved during each difficulty?

I do not know how many blocks I solved during each difficulty.  I only know what the overall pool solves and I get a portion based on my Hash rate.
legendary
Activity: 3500
Merit: 2792
Enjoy 500% bonus + 70 FS
an the moment we burn the solo pool with 3 PetaHash for 3h

{"hashrate1m": "3.03P", "hashrate5m": "3.05P", "hashrate1hr": "1.29P", "hashrate1d": "106T", "hashrate7d": "55.6T", "lastupdate": 1448564870, "workers": 1416, "shares": 11107888549, "bestshare": 5064547718.3337736, "bestever": 203670815116}

cross the fingers

legendary
Activity: 3583
Merit: 1094
Think for yourself
I just found this talk.  I have 55th/s with a pool right now.  Is there a chance that it would be more profitable for me to mine solo rather than with a pool?  I currently make $3700 a month with an electric bill of $1000.  Does solo provide a better income?

Do you know how many blocks you solved during each difficulty?
legendary
Activity: 1344
Merit: 1024
Mine at Jonny's Pool
I just found this talk.  I have 55th/s with a pool right now.  Is there a chance that it would be more profitable for me to mine solo rather than with a pool?  I currently make $3700 a month with an electric bill of $1000.  Does solo provide a better income?
With this pool you either get all 25 coins or none at all.  You might go for 6 months without any income... Or you might find 2 blocks this month and get 50.
legendary
Activity: 1260
Merit: 1006
Mine for a Bit
I just found this talk.  I have 55th/s with a pool right now.  Is there a chance that it would be more profitable for me to mine solo rather than with a pool?  I currently make $3700 a month with an electric bill of $1000.  Does solo provide a better income?
legendary
Activity: 3500
Merit: 2792
Enjoy 500% bonus + 70 FS
Hello all,

we plan today a big rental for the solo pool.

if it possible you / other people will have the same plan, please be aware we buy on the same markets nicehash / mining rentals and make force up the price... so it is better to speak together over amount of rentals or plan your big rental for the next day, so we have a win win situation for all.

Best Regards
Willi
legendary
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Merit: 8899
'The right to privacy matters'
We are due for one.
-ck
legendary
Activity: 4088
Merit: 1631
Ruu \o/
There will be a brief blip in mining as I restart the pool to bring online a new faster backup bitcoind in case of problems.

EDIT: Complete, sorry about any inconvenience.
jxz
newbie
Activity: 26
Merit: 0
See, with NH;  they are trying to solve a block with your transaction;  so a different hash all together.  Theres no way for a renter to withhold blocks like that...   you can see the live submissions/hashrate coming through the solo pool.  I don't see that being faked at all.... unless the hash renter feeds garbage data to the pool (I would assume the pool would invalidate bad work?)
...
Incorrect.

Withholding is done by the miner - they simply don't return the particular share that is a block, they just return (some or) all other shares.
Even if they do this, the person renting out their hardware gets paid and so does the renting service.
You can't know in advance which work contains a block, you only know when you find a particular share that is better than network difficulty.

It has nothing to do with where you get your hashes from except the obvious that: if it was your own miner and you were solo mining you'd be throwing away your own block

Theoretically - would it be possible for a pool to send a miner the most recently solved blocks template immediately before the block change notification?  In this situation the miner should send back the solved block, then the pool could then discard it and continue sending valid work.  This could be a proof to see if blocks truly are being withheld.

I realize in this scenario some hash time would be wasted on an old block.
No for multiple reasons:

1) block change times on a pool are the #1 priority - slowing that down (by delaying work changes) is how you lose blocks and get orphans

2) the work base for each miner is different, so you can't send a miner the work base of the other miner that found the block
 If the work bases weren't different, then miners would be wasting time mining the same work and getting the same results

3) there's no guarantee that 2 miners will find the same block with the same work since their speed and mining code may increment the extranonce differently or to a different level (due to speed)


Thanks.
-ck
legendary
Activity: 4088
Merit: 1631
Ruu \o/
As an experiment I've set up a passthrough node in China that forwards to the solo pool. If there are any miners in China that wish to try it out, try mining to
stratum+tcp://cn.ckpool.org:80
And please report back how it performs for you.


I have now taken this down. It has not remotely proven to be popular or worth maintaining.
legendary
Activity: 1274
Merit: 1000
I hope people grasp this idea.....

I hope you can grasp the idea as it has been pointed out a few times already that you are wrong on just about everything you stated.  Your points are a great summary of the common misconceptions almost all people have about how solving a block works.
legendary
Activity: 4592
Merit: 1851
Linux since 1997 RedHat 4
See, with NH;  they are trying to solve a block with your transaction;  so a different hash all together.  Theres no way for a renter to withhold blocks like that...   you can see the live submissions/hashrate coming through the solo pool.  I don't see that being faked at all.... unless the hash renter feeds garbage data to the pool (I would assume the pool would invalidate bad work?)
...
Incorrect.

Withholding is done by the miner - they simply don't return the particular share that is a block, they just return (some or) all other shares.
Even if they do this, the person renting out their hardware gets paid and so does the renting service.
You can't know in advance which work contains a block, you only know when you find a particular share that is better than network difficulty.

It has nothing to do with where you get your hashes from except the obvious that: if it was your own miner and you were solo mining you'd be throwing away your own block

Theoretically - would it be possible for a pool to send a miner the most recently solved blocks template immediately before the block change notification?  In this situation the miner should send back the solved block, then the pool could then discard it and continue sending valid work.  This could be a proof to see if blocks truly are being withheld.

I realize in this scenario some hash time would be wasted on an old block.
No for multiple reasons:

1) block change times on a pool are the #1 priority - slowing that down (by delaying work changes) is how you lose blocks and get orphans

2) the work base for each miner is different, so you can't send a miner the work base of the other miner that found the block
 If the work bases weren't different, then miners would be wasting time mining the same work and getting the same results

3) there's no guarantee that 2 miners will find the same block with the same work since their speed and mining code may increment the extranonce differently or to a different level (due to speed)
jxz
newbie
Activity: 26
Merit: 0
See, with NH;  they are trying to solve a block with your transaction;  so a different hash all together.  Theres no way for a renter to withhold blocks like that...   you can see the live submissions/hashrate coming through the solo pool.  I don't see that being faked at all.... unless the hash renter feeds garbage data to the pool (I would assume the pool would invalidate bad work?)
...
Incorrect.

Withholding is done by the miner - they simply don't return the particular share that is a block, they just return (some or) all other shares.
Even if they do this, the person renting out their hardware gets paid and so does the renting service.
You can't know in advance which work contains a block, you only know when you find a particular share that is better than network difficulty.

It has nothing to do with where you get your hashes from except the obvious that: if it was your own miner and you were solo mining you'd be throwing away your own block

Theoretically - would it be possible for a pool to send a miner the most recently solved blocks template immediately before the block change notification?  In this situation the miner should send back the solved block, then the pool could then discard it and continue sending valid work.  This could be a proof to see if blocks truly are being withheld.

I realize in this scenario some hash time would be wasted on an old block.
newbie
Activity: 41
Merit: 0
Its smarter and more statistically probable if you rent as much hash as possible and run it at once.

More workers working on the same block == greater chance of solving _your_ block in a given amount of time.

If you just space out the hash in smaller amounts over time;  you have less hash to find that block in a given time and it is somewhat wasteful.

Wrong! A hash is a hash.

In the same sense that pointing two antminers at two different BTC payout addresses, will both have the same probability of finding a block;  whereas if they are both mining to the same address, they stand twice the chance as find a block as when they are working independent.

Wrong!

The more hash you cram in that "10 min" gives you a higher actual probability of finding a block.

Wrong! You are not trying to find a hash in that "10 min", you are trying to find a hash that exceeds the current difficulty, the difficulty is adjusted so that the average time to solve a block is 10 minutes.

1000 Gh/s for 1 hour gives exactly the same chance as 1 Gh/s for 1000 hours (assuming the difficulty stays the same for the duration).
jxz
newbie
Activity: 26
Merit: 0
See, with NH;  they are trying to solve a block with your transaction;  so a different hash all together.  Theres no way for a renter to withhold blocks like that...   you can see the live submissions/hashrate coming through the solo pool.  I don't see that being faked at all.... unless the hash renter feeds garbage data to the pool (I would assume the pool would invalidate bad work?)

This is 100% incorrect.  A miner can easily submit all found shares except shares that are greater than the network diff.


My one recommendation to people going for rented hash:

Its smarter and more statistically probable if you rent as much hash as possible and run it at once.

More workers working on the same block == greater chance of solving _your_ block in a given amount of time.

If you just space out the hash in smaller amounts over time;  you have less hash to find that block in a given time and it is somewhat wasteful.

In the same sense that pointing two antminers at two different BTC payout addresses, will both have the same probability of finding a block;  whereas if they are both mining to the same address, they stand twice the chance as find a block as when they are working independent.

I hope people grasp this idea.....

The more hash you cram in that "10 min" gives you a higher actual probability of finding a block.

This is also wrong.  See ck posts above.  The only time working faster matters is to beat a difficulty change.  There is the same probability in finding a valid block with 1000TH for 1 hour as there is with 100TH for 10 hours.



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