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Topic: [∞ YH] solo.ckpool.org 2% fee solo mining USA/DE 255 blocks solved! - page 285. (Read 1514780 times)

legendary
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Linux since 1997 RedHat 4
See, with NH;  they are trying to solve a block with your transaction;  so a different hash all together.  Theres no way for a renter to withhold blocks like that...   you can see the live submissions/hashrate coming through the solo pool.  I don't see that being faked at all.... unless the hash renter feeds garbage data to the pool (I would assume the pool would invalidate bad work?)
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Incorrect.

Withholding is done by the miner - they simply don't return the particular share that is a block, they just return (some or) all other shares.
Even if they do this, the person renting out their hardware gets paid and so does the renting service.
You can't know in advance which work contains a block, you only know when you find a particular share that is better than network difficulty.

It has nothing to do with where you get your hashes from except the obvious that: if it was your own miner and you were solo mining you'd be throwing away your own block
-ck
legendary
Activity: 4088
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Ruu \o/

To some of the regular posters here, I'm curious about reaction to this https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13062153

If you don't want to follow the link, apparently 6 * Difficulty shares have been pointed at Eligius from Nicehash and not one block solve yet. Relevant here I think because many of us use Nice/Westhash to gamble.

We've talked about the dangers of rented hash many times before. The person who sells you the hash makes money whether their hardware solves blocks or not and if they're a big player they stand to gain by holding back diff from rising. The person who rents the hash assumes all the risk. In the earlier days on this pool the odds seemed to suggest that all the PH sized rentals were suspicious in they never found blocks while the hundreds of TH sized rentals did. I gave people warnings about this at regular intervals. However lately the rate at which PH sized rentals are finding blocks is averaging out to 100% luck so I don't see a problem at the moment, and it could well have been bad luck earlier on. This could change at any time though and there is no way to confirm this. And before you ask if there's a way to check whether rental hash is withholding blocks - no there is no way.
The BEST thing that would be helpful is if the rental service (nicehash, MRR etc) was to report the total shares found by each rental and the number of blocks found by that rental to confirm that it is finding blocks. None of them do that as far as I'm aware.
legendary
Activity: 1500
Merit: 1002
Mine Mine Mine
"bestshare": 44363102898.412689

still so farrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

c'mon, 1 block please Wink

Dang, that would have solved a block earlier this year!  How much hash power are you running and what type of machine pulled that share?

few s7's, few ccd's, couple of s3's, bunch of dragons from my own. rented some hash, hit that # when hashrate was abt 500ths ish . . . then boosted a lil' more hashrate peak of 1.3x ph but it remained sadly.

was just refreshing solo page, looking at blockchain & wanting to see Relayed solo ckpool, wallet open & hoping for a popup.

everything was just the same, back to pooled mining for a bit. will be back soon.

shortlived sadly Sad the part that hurts the most is that p2p hit a block below 1 ph but those guys deserved it after waiting for so long.

GL to all who are still solo'ing.

{"hashrate1m": "90.9T", "hashrate5m": "348T", "hashrate1hr": "653T", "hashrate1d": "63.6T", "hashrate7d": "15.4T", "lastupdate": 1448485488, "workers": 5, "shares": 3268518759, "bestshare": 44363102898.412689, "bestever": 44,363,102,898}
legendary
Activity: 1848
Merit: 1166
My AR-15 ID's itself as a toaster. Want breakfast?
See, with NH;  they are trying to solve a block with your transaction;  so a different hash all together.  Theres no way for a renter to withhold blocks like that...   you can see the live submissions/hashrate coming through the solo pool.  I don't see that being faked at all.... unless the hash renter feeds garbage data to the pool (I would assume the pool would invalidate bad work?)


My one recommendation to people going for rented hash:

Its smarter and more statistically probable if you rent as much hash as possible and run it at once.

More workers working on the same block == greater chance of solving _your_ block in a given amount of time.

If you just space out the hash in smaller amounts over time;  you have less hash to find that block in a given time and it is somewhat wasteful.



In the same sense that pointing two antminers at two different BTC payout addresses, will both have the same probability of finding a block;  whereas if they are both mining to the same address, they stand twice the chance as find a block as when they are working independent.

I hope people grasp this idea.....

The more hash you cram in that "10 min" gives you a higher actual probability of finding a block.
legendary
Activity: 3500
Merit: 2792
Enjoy 500% bonus + 70 FS
"bestshare": 44363102898.412689

still so farrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

c'mon, 1 block please Wink

Oh shit, how much THs and Time do you have run...?
legendary
Activity: 1274
Merit: 1000
"bestshare": 44363102898.412689

still so farrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

c'mon, 1 block please Wink

Dang, that would have solved a block earlier this year!  How much hash power are you running and what type of machine pulled that share?
jxz
newbie
Activity: 26
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To some of the regular posters here, I'm curious about reaction to this https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13062153

If you don't want to follow the link, apparently 6 * Difficulty shares have been pointed at Eligius from Nicehash and not one block solve yet. Relevant here I think because many of us use Nice/Westhash to gamble.


That is interesting.  I think Kano has mentioned there is a big risk in block withholding from rental sites in the past.


ck - Do you have any way to review stats on the amount of blocks solved / shares submitted from nicehash?



Plenty of people have found blocks here using NH/WH and MRR.  I'm not sure what's going on over at Eligius...

Just because some blocks are withheld doesn't mean all have to be.   If this was occurring, I would assume that the individual miners would be withholding as opposed to nh/wh.
legendary
Activity: 1344
Merit: 1024
Mine at Jonny's Pool
To some of the regular posters here, I'm curious about reaction to this https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13062153

If you don't want to follow the link, apparently 6 * Difficulty shares have been pointed at Eligius from Nicehash and not one block solve yet. Relevant here I think because many of us use Nice/Westhash to gamble.

Plenty of people have found blocks here using NH/WH and MRR.  I'm not sure what's going on over at Eligius...
legendary
Activity: 1500
Merit: 1002
Mine Mine Mine
 "bestshare": 44363102898.412689

still so farrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

c'mon, 1 block please Wink
legendary
Activity: 1274
Merit: 1000
About the only thing that matters is that diff is rising again, and trying your luck now will be better than after the next rise, and so on.

Weather has finally cooled down here where I don't need my AC everyday, and with the strong btc price right now I have turned back on my solo mining machines.  Despite the fact that difficulty is 20G higher than when I shut my miners off at the start of the hot season I am still hopeful that I might get lucky some day.

I also finally got an R1 with CrazyGuy's custom firmware (to run my U3) and plan to have it's massive 5GH/s pointed here instead of at bitmain's pool like they come from the factory.
member
Activity: 90
Merit: 10
To some of the regular posters here, I'm curious about reaction to this https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13062153

If you don't want to follow the link, apparently 6 * Difficulty shares have been pointed at Eligius from Nicehash and not one block solve yet. Relevant here I think because many of us use Nice/Westhash to gamble.
legendary
Activity: 2483
Merit: 1482
-> morgen, ist heute, schon gestern <-
but what is with chicken?  Grin


Well, the diff makes that chicken more blind, but it will find a block sooner or laaaaaaater.  Wink

And a meal of chicken will help alot, to make you not starving.
legendary
Activity: 1470
Merit: 1021
I had 3.7TH pointed here, but I am not a lucky man to begin with... Maybe I'll try the "lottery" again once diff cracks 100,000,000,000  Wink
yxt
legendary
Activity: 3528
Merit: 1116
but what is with chicken?  Grin
legendary
Activity: 1344
Merit: 1024
Mine at Jonny's Pool
- is it better to wait if the Pool has the next block found
It makes no difference

- is it better to rent 1 PH for 10h or 2 PH for 5h
It makes no difference

- is it better to rent some big Rentals or many smal ons
It makes no difference

- is it better i start the rental if the Pool has a high or a low hashrate at the moment
It makes no difference

- on what for a day or night Time is it better to start
It makes no difference

- if you have other good tip for me
Alas no.

This should be carved in stone!!
Deep thoughts by -ck.  Where did I leave that hammer and chisel... Tongue
legendary
Activity: 3500
Merit: 2792
Enjoy 500% bonus + 70 FS
thx and yes it is in my mind...
-ck
legendary
Activity: 4088
Merit: 1631
Ruu \o/
Smiley

ok thanks
About the only thing that matters is that diff is rising again, and trying your luck now will be better than after the next rise, and so on.
legendary
Activity: 4592
Merit: 1851
Linux since 1997 RedHat 4
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- on what for a day or night Time is it better to start
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Well that depends ... if you are going to mine for 6 hours and don't want to be woken up by your block finding notification app you wrote, you can guarantee that by starting mining in the morning ... since 6 hours after that ... it's still day time Smiley
legendary
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Enjoy 500% bonus + 70 FS
member
Activity: 115
Merit: 10
Tip: 1JBSwRgm7iMzc7uyhnJdxH7hSECdJkdMoj
- is it better to wait if the Pool has the next block found
It makes no difference

- is it better to rent 1 PH for 10h or 2 PH for 5h
It makes no difference

- is it better to rent some big Rentals or many smal ons
It makes no difference

- is it better i start the rental if the Pool has a high or a low hashrate at the moment
It makes no difference

- on what for a day or night Time is it better to start
It makes no difference

- if you have other good tip for me
Alas no.

This should be carved in stone!!
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