[∞ YH] solo.ckpool.org 2% fee solo mining USA/DE 255 blocks solved! - page 339.

Mikestang

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Quote from: hodedowe on August 25, 2015, 03:50:19 PM

Most places that you already have a relationship with (work for instance) won't mind you running a tiny S3 under your desk

You've never worked anywhere with an IT department it would seem. Lips sealed

"What do you mean you want to use a non-company issued mouse?!"

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Quote from: Mikestang on August 25, 2015, 03:19:11 PM

Quote from: hodedowe on August 25, 2015, 11:58:35 AM

but there are ways around that by mining at work, mining at a hospital, an outdoor outlet somewhere,

Oh, you mean by stealing it? Uh, no.

Don't get all self righteous now. You could always ask instead of just plugging and mining. Most places that you already have a relationship with (work for instance) won't mind you running a tiny S3 under your desk as a footwarmer in winter or on an outdoor outlet.

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Quote from: Mikestang on August 25, 2015, 03:19:11 PM

Quote from: hodedowe on August 25, 2015, 11:58:35 AM

but there are ways around that by mining at work, mining at a hospital, an outdoor outlet somewhere,

Oh, you mean by stealing it? Uh, no.

Next hotel trip I take I will mine a sidehack stick just to see if there is an issue. Since the hotel provides free wifi and even free ethernet hookup I could run a stick or two.

I do believe I would be within legal usage if power was low.

I most often use the hilton garden chain I get free internet 24/7 and a laptop to a usb hub with a few sticks is nothing.

Heck If I unplug the refrigerator they save money.

But once again this is 30gh or maybe 40 gh using 25 watts or so.

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Quote from: Mikestang on August 25, 2015, 03:19:11 PM

Quote from: hodedowe on August 25, 2015, 11:58:35 AM

but there are ways around that by mining at work, mining at a hospital, an outdoor outlet somewhere,

Oh, you mean by stealing it? Uh, no.

That's exactly what I said... you can actually be prosecuted for theft of electricity.

Mikestang

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Quote from: hodedowe on August 25, 2015, 11:58:35 AM

but there are ways around that by mining at work, mining at a hospital, an outdoor outlet somewhere,

Oh, you mean by stealing it? Uh, no.

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Quote from: jonnybravo0311 on August 25, 2015, 01:44:29 PM

I think I'd laugh pretty hard if I saw some guy with a large van sitting in front of a few charging stations powering a bunch of miners. Mobile data center!

Epic project !! Cheesy

jonnybravo0311

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Mine at Jonny's Pool

Hey... if you're going to park your van full of miners near a charging station, why not piggyback on the wireless network from the Starbucks right there on the corner, too? Tongue

In all seriousness, owning your own hardware requires a bit more dedication than saying, "I'm going to try my luck and throw a bunch of rented hash at CK's pool." In case 1, you're limited by how much available power you've got, cooling, all the standard crap associated with running your own hardware. In case 2 it's just a few clicks.

Another benefit of the rentals is that you can drastically alter your hash rate again with only a few clicks. Considerably harder to do that when you've got your own gear.

I think I'd laugh pretty hard if I saw some guy with a large van sitting in front of a few charging stations powering a bunch of miners. Mobile data center!

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Quote from: aurel57 on August 25, 2015, 12:37:13 PM

I am thinking what if you loaded up a van with miners and park it at the free charging station for electric cars?

LOL! I never thought of that. As long as there's a free plug and you're not blocking cars from charging (move when the plugs are full) you might get away with it. Have to have internet access though.

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Quote from: hodedowe on August 25, 2015, 11:58:35 AM

Quote from: jonnybravo0311 on August 25, 2015, 11:44:00 AM

Quote from: Nthused on August 25, 2015, 12:59:44 AM

I suppose it's better to rent rigs individually on MRR instead, honestly I stay away from Nicehash.

You run into the problem regardless of which rental site you utilize. You are placing the trust in the rig owners and the rental site operators not to have malicious intent. As Phil's example above shows, I can very easily guarantee that you and I would both get paid, but make the pool suffer. Or as the case would be here in a solo pool, I can guarantee that I get paid, and you don't.

Ultimately, it's up to you to decide whether or not you trust the operators enough to pay them to utilize their gear. Are there going to be people out there looking to scam you? Always. Are there also people out there who are providing an honest service? Absolutely.

Exactly this. The only way to trust your results is to buy your own equipment. Seriously, it's not that expensive anymore. The chief concern is electricity cost, but there are ways around that by mining at work, mining at a hospital, an outdoor outlet somewhere, or using alternative energy. You can get free solar panels in some states. There's no reason not to save that gambled money and just buy your own miners anymore.

I am thinking what if you loaded up a van with miners and park it at the free charging station for electric cars?

bmoscato

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Quote from: hodedowe on August 25, 2015, 11:58:35 AM

Quote from: jonnybravo0311 on August 25, 2015, 11:44:00 AM

Quote from: Nthused on August 25, 2015, 12:59:44 AM

I suppose it's better to rent rigs individually on MRR instead, honestly I stay away from Nicehash.

You run into the problem regardless of which rental site you utilize. You are placing the trust in the rig owners and the rental site operators not to have malicious intent. As Phil's example above shows, I can very easily guarantee that you and I would both get paid, but make the pool suffer. Or as the case would be here in a solo pool, I can guarantee that I get paid, and you don't.

Ultimately, it's up to you to decide whether or not you trust the operators enough to pay them to utilize their gear. Are there going to be people out there looking to scam you? Always. Are there also people out there who are providing an honest service? Absolutely.

Exactly this. The only way to trust your results is to buy your own equipment. Seriously, it's not that expensive anymore. The chief concern is electricity cost, but there are ways around that by mining at work, mining at a hospital, an outdoor outlet somewhere, or using alternative energy. You can get free solar panels in some states. There's no reason not to save that gambled money and just buy your own miners anymore.

Be aware that there is such a thing as "Theft of Electricity" that you can be be charged as a crime with and terminated from employment.

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Quote from: jonnybravo0311 on August 25, 2015, 11:44:00 AM

Quote from: Nthused on August 25, 2015, 12:59:44 AM

I suppose it's better to rent rigs individually on MRR instead, honestly I stay away from Nicehash.

You run into the problem regardless of which rental site you utilize. You are placing the trust in the rig owners and the rental site operators not to have malicious intent. As Phil's example above shows, I can very easily guarantee that you and I would both get paid, but make the pool suffer. Or as the case would be here in a solo pool, I can guarantee that I get paid, and you don't.

Ultimately, it's up to you to decide whether or not you trust the operators enough to pay them to utilize their gear. Are there going to be people out there looking to scam you? Always. Are there also people out there who are providing an honest service? Absolutely.

Exactly this. The only way to trust your results is to buy your own equipment. Seriously, it's not that expensive anymore. The chief concern is electricity cost, but there are ways around that by mining at work, mining at a hospital, an outdoor outlet somewhere, or using alternative energy. You can get free solar panels in some states. There's no reason not to save that gambled money and just buy your own miners anymore.

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Quote from: Nthused on August 25, 2015, 12:59:44 AM

I suppose it's better to rent rigs individually on MRR instead, honestly I stay away from Nicehash.

You run into the problem regardless of which rental site you utilize. You are placing the trust in the rig owners and the rental site operators not to have malicious intent. As Phil's example above shows, I can very easily guarantee that you and I would both get paid, but make the pool suffer. Or as the case would be here in a solo pool, I can guarantee that I get paid, and you don't.

Ultimately, it's up to you to decide whether or not you trust the operators enough to pay them to utilize their gear. Are there going to be people out there looking to scam you? Always. Are there also people out there who are providing an honest service? Absolutely.

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Quote from: bmoscato on August 25, 2015, 08:48:53 AM

I just pointed my S1, S3 and S5's at the pool, do I have to do anything with the difficulty or should I be good to go? I'm not going through a proxy, each is pointed directly at the pool.

Just pray ....

bmoscato

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I just pointed my S1, S3 and S5's at the pool, do I have to do anything with the difficulty or should I be good to go? I'm not going through a proxy, each is pointed directly at the pool.

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Quote from: chaoman on August 25, 2015, 03:14:04 AM

"All you need to confirm you are mining to your own address is to examine the coinbase and template sent to you over stratum."

How do you do that? Also, how do you know if you found a block or not?

cgminer will tell you if you found a block - the pool also will tell you, but independently - i.e. both cgminer and the pool know if a share 'could' be a block.

To look at the work being sent - you'd have to look at either the full debug log of cgminer or look at the work "sent across the wire"
It's just text json with the coinbase transaction in ascii hex.

chaoman

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"All you need to confirm you are mining to your own address is to examine the coinbase and template sent to you over stratum."

How do you do that? Also, how do you know if you found a block or not?

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Quote from: Mikestang on August 25, 2015, 12:49:07 AM

Quote from: hodedowe on August 24, 2015, 08:05:04 PM

That's why I'd never rent right there. You can't prove you're getting what you paid for. Why should they give you the blocks when they can keep what is today $5400 bucks USD and tell you "Nope, sorry. You didn't win. Please play again!"

$5400 is a great motive to cheat buyers if you're in a country far, far away. What are they going to do, cry about it?

You are misunderstanding a block withholding attack. They don't steal the block solve reward, they withhold the block solve completely as if it never happened. Do a little google search and you can read more about it.

I think he means (what I said) that they get paid no matter what - so that is "cheating buyers"

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I suppose it's better to rent rigs individually on MRR instead, honestly I stay away from Nicehash.

Mikestang

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Quote from: hodedowe on August 24, 2015, 08:05:04 PM

That's why I'd never rent right there. You can't prove you're getting what you paid for. Why should they give you the blocks when they can keep what is today $5400 bucks USD and tell you "Nope, sorry. You didn't win. Please play again!"

$5400 is a great motive to cheat buyers if you're in a country far, far away. What are they going to do, cry about it?

You are misunderstanding a block withholding attack. They don't steal the block solve reward, they withhold the block solve completely as if it never happened. Do a little google search and you can read more about it.

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