Topic: You work your butt off, and a rich dude does nothing and gets rich - how? - page 2. (Read 23781 times)

Alright, sure, if you cannot spell successful it'll be hard on you. I'm not delusional, you're just a coward.

Plenty of careers to choose from, many of which are not laborious or 9-5 sludge. Check out working for a startup, working for a beach rental company, working for a non-profit... lots of non-conventional employment.

If you still aren't happy, start your own business. You wont starve to death in the USA or most first-world countires. The only reason people beg on the side of the road is for money to buy drugs or alcohol, or they are a part of a crime ring being forced to do it, not really for food... or they are just mentally disabled, or do not know they can just go to a shelter. If you need food, you go to a church, shelter, or soup kitchen.

If you aren't happy with the capitalist American way, you have many choices. If you want a more conservative culture, you have many options, a great place for a conservative right now is Australia.

If you are looking for more of a liberal place, check out northern Europe.

If you are looking for a socialist welfare state, check out China or Cuba.

If you want lack of materialism, join an Amish society, or check out some of the Mexican Tribes, or rain forest tribes.

If you want solitude and complete independence, look into subsistence farming, and live in the mountains off the land.

If you want anarchy, check out this list of anarchist communities: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_anarchist_communities

If you want lack of materialism, and are annoyed at the amish, become a monk. There are many sects, some are not even religious. The main idea here is to give up all material possessions.

If you just are looking to feel bad for yourself, to complain just to complain, and you're too lazy to just change your life, then keep on posting.



Wageslave loophole? How does one "break" a loophole? C'mon people, you're just throwing out words that sound good now.

Its usually someone running a business, the usual suspect. If you are a wageslave you are fucked... not much margin of action. If you are not part of the initial distribution of the pie and your family didnt got a nice slice of the pie, then you'll need something special. Most people aren't and its difficult to break the wageslave loophole.

A slave is a person which is simultaneously property.  To all those that believe having a "shitty job" is slavery, may I ask you to identify the corresponding master/owner?

Most of us in western society understand as fundamental what is perfect explained in Maslow's piramid. You need MONEY for these. If your only income is your shitty job, you are shit out of luck. Unless you have SAVINGS, you can't just simply quit and "start your own business", that's unrealistic. You are a slave of your own work, if you don't agree, you've never been in that position or you were the small % that go nuts, quit their job, take a loan, and get a successfull business going (the small %, statistically). Poster SeaofBTC is delusional.

The 'fundamental' needs are different for each person.
An educated person may not consider just food and water as fundamental. His fundamental needs would include a minimum standard of living.

You can leave your job. I hated working for others, so I left. Started my own job, years later, still at it.

I am not upset at an opinion. It's not a fact. People quit their jobs, leaving for a better place often. Those who don't, deserve to be unhappy. You can go to another country, go join a tribe, go be a part of an
Amish society,  whatever. The "basic needs" that people consider are really just luxuries. If you want the capitalist, materialist, luxuries, you've got to play the game. If you don't want to play the game, you do not have to. It's simply not a fact that you can't leave any time you want.

Bottom line: not slavery. If you're not happy, get out.

It's not important that you "work your butt off", what's important is how much value have you created with your work. If you haven't created value, then you can "work your butt off" all you want, and you'd still be poor. Only 30% billionaires inherited their wealth, the rest had to also earn it, by creating large amount of value.

He has pointed an objective fact: You cannot leave a job that will leave you without your fundamental needs covered, because your biological preservation mechanism is telling you to not stop working because if you do, you'll not have food, water and shelter, and you don't want this. You are not free to like this situation, any sane mind doesn't like this. Therefore, under no alternatives, you aren't free to leave your job. This is a fact, and you seem upset at this fact.

Please list all of the places you've actually lived. Not what you've read online or seen on the television. Actually lived. If that list is exceedingly short, then go ahead and reference the places that you have personally visited.

Since you know capitalism is this plague infecting everywhere, I imagine the list must be massive and very interesting.

Capitalism has a monopoly over the world economic systems. You must partake or you will suffer even more greatly.

So I suppose you just ignored 95% of what I said and continued using the ignorant term.

You do not have to take part in the American Way. Capitalism is not everywhere, there are other societies for you to choose from.  You can leave. Go join a different society, we'll show you the door.

People aren't "free to leave the job at anytime". If you are working a shitty job, it means you aren't able to find any better, and if you stop working, you are fucked as you can't pay the bills and basic needs. It's subtle slavery, while Mr King has a perpetual luxurious holiday. It's a joke.

No, it's not. You may leave at any time. Go join a tribe. It's not slavery, and it's gross to see that term being thrown around. Next people will be comparing themselves to Jews and gays in the Holocaust.

Yeah, if you want to survive, you'll put in work in some form or fashion.

You do NOT need to work for any company to survive even in the USA. You can do subsistence farming and live off the land.

Do you want a TV with 400 channels, internet, two cars, a computer, and to eat out a few times a week? Yeah, you're going to need to participate in capitalism.

It's all your choice. It's not slavery.

This is debatable. People ARE forced to work to earn wages which are a requisite to survive in a capitalist system.

That's a phrase, it's a play to emotions, and it's a bad one. You simply cannot compare the current state of affairs to slavery, as it doesn't satisfy the conditions of slavery at all. People really need to stop using slavery as a comparison to people who work jobs. You're severely diminishing the term "slavery" and exaggerating the 9-5 sludge.

People are being paid to do the work, they are not being forced to do the work, they can leave their job at any point, and usually they are actually very desperately wanting to have the work to do.

The term for person B is entrepreneur and person A is worker.

We absolutely need both. Either you have entrepreneurs who create jobs, or you have the government create the jobs.

We've seen both scenarios, we know the outcomes.

In the end, I know very few rich people who do not work their butts off. Sure there are some trust fund kids... but please. People over exaggerate the "lifestyles" of the rich. Most rich aren't Kim Kardashian, and Donald Trump *does* work. He's a bad dude, got rich off screwing others, but he does work his butt off, so your premise is still wrong.

Most importantly as well, if you feel your country is slavery because of capitalism, get the hell out. Go to Cuba, China, North Korea, Venezuela, or whatever country uses the type of system you want. Again it's not slavery. Pick up your lazy ass and go where you want to be.

the owner of the slave would force them to work for nothing they would not pay and give them minimal food or drink, saving themselves money. If they were a farmer they would force the slave to farm then the owner would sell the crop and keep all profit for himself, often they would sell the slave to some one richer and buy a cheaper one, slaves meant nothing to the owner they were just an object.

Its just the natural way of things.

If you are born rich it's easy to live off rents. Just buy shit and rent it, its so easy.

If you aren't born rich chances are you'll die as a non rich individual, its a scam.

The more you got, the more you got to lose.

Your statement infers that anyone who earns a wage via a job is a "slave", and I disagree with this conclusion. People who earn a wage receive a steady income, which means they rely less on the economy to be able to pay their bills. A lot more would need to go wrong in their workplace before they would not get paid. Earning a wage is overall much less risky then earning money off the backs of others.