Your cryptocoins were stolen and you called the police? WTF? Are you serious? - page 3.

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Quote from: alexanderanon on July 28, 2012, 08:29:24 PM

Quote from: FlipPro on July 28, 2012, 08:26:55 PM

Quote from: Matthew N. Wright on July 28, 2012, 08:10:11 PM

Quote from: alexanderanon on July 28, 2012, 08:05:44 PM

Quote from: Matthew N. Wright on July 28, 2012, 07:52:43 PM

When everyone has a gun, there is less fighting. You apparently advocate having hidden guns so that you can empower users of deception and coercion (very non-libertarian).

??

How does gun concealment create deception and coercion? Notice how cops have their guns holstered for all to see while hackers use pseudonyms? I think you are trying to peddle some perceived hacker mantra without truly understanding the foundation of this entire movement.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptography
Cryptography (or cryptology; from Greek κρυπτός, "hidden, secret"; and γράφειν, graphein, "writing".

The "movement" is a military one. You think anonymity will protect you? Imagine everyone being anonymous. Wow. That's a fun world to live in. Who are your parents? Who are your friends? Who is your president? Who are the police? Everyone can commit any and all crimes against you and you have absolutely no recourse. Go peddle your thieving mantra somewhere else. Bitcoin is about transparency to end coercion, not about anonymity. Anonymity is a different battle, one that I do not at this point see any point in supporting.

To many +1 for one thread? LOL

I think your poor grammar is indicative of the quality of your judgment in general.

The fact that you reference to grammar as a sign of good or bad judgment, only shows just how intransigent and uncompromising you really are. You break down your opponent’s by belittling them with every opportunity, and adhere to egregious ideologies that don’t correlate with reality or modern day society. You sir in my opinion, are the perfect example of everything that is wrong today with Bitcoin.

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Quote from: iCEBREAKER on July 28, 2012, 08:27:29 PM

Quote from: Raoul Duke on July 28, 2012, 06:19:18 PM

Now one thought exercise: I pay taxes and I DEMAND that the police investigates if I ever get "cryptocoins" stolen from me. What are you going to do about it?

Well, first I'd have to laugh at the idea of you attempting to explain the multiple advanced concepts necessary to understand cryptocoins to your earnest reporting officer (who has much more important matters pending his limited attention than your nerd drama).

What makes you think the officer doesn't know what Bitcoin is?
Also, the only thing he needs to ask me is: How much was it worth?
When I tell him it was worth more than €2500 the procedures change as those cases require special investigation and will automatically be passed to the FBI equivalent in my home country, most likely to the cybercrime division given the typology of the crime at hand.

You assume too much...

alexanderanon

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Quote from: iCEBREAKER on July 28, 2012, 08:33:56 PM

Quote from: alexanderanon on July 28, 2012, 06:53:57 PM

Bitcoin was created by ~~anarchists~~ libertarians and for ~~anarchists~~ libertarians. Go read up on the cypherpunks. Read the cyphernomicron. What do you think this is, some left/right san fran techie circlejerk to see who can make the coolest looking mining rig? This is a revolution. The 'politics and ideology' part is unavoidable.

Great comment, barely needed fixing.

/came for the circlejerk

I use libertarian and anarchist interchangeably, because I assume my readers aren't so daft as to think I mean libertarian socialist, or collectivistic anarchist. There is only market anarchy.

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Quote from: iCEBREAKER on July 28, 2012, 08:33:56 PM

Quote from: alexanderanon on July 28, 2012, 06:53:57 PM

Bitcoin was created by ~~anarchists~~ libertarians and for ~~anarchists~~ libertarians. Go read up on the cypherpunks. Read the cyphernomicron. What do you think this is, some left/right san fran techie circlejerk to see who can make the coolest looking mining rig? This is a revolution. The 'politics and ideology' part is unavoidable.

Great comment, barely needed fixing.

/came for the circlejerk

I have read that those words are synonymous outside the U.S.

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Quote from: Matthew N. Wright on July 28, 2012, 08:29:37 PM

Quote from: alexanderanon on July 28, 2012, 08:17:44 PM

Perhaps that's where your problem lies, in your support for the state

Support for transparent organization != support for state

You think the world survives without organization. Have fun trying to work with others to build/create/better the world when you don't know how to contact them, can't get the work from them that you paid for, get robbed by them, and are raped by them in the night. Yay, anonymity!

As I said, anonymity is not some social imperative that prohibits someone from having a real-life name, or something else ridiculous. When did I say that anarchy is utterly without order? Heard of spontaneous order? I began my comments on this thread by arguing against the notion that bitcoin and libertarian ideology can be separate. You have proceeded to then heap your own misunderstandings and conflated definitions upon each other to come to this conclusion, which I would describe as reductio ad absurdum, if not for the fact that it has had precisely the opposite of that intended effect. Perhaps you haven't had the chance to read up on this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_anarchism

I hope this level of ignorance isn't indicative of all bitcoinforum staff...

iCEBREAKER

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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.

Quote from: alexanderanon on July 28, 2012, 06:53:57 PM

Bitcoin was created by ~~anarchists~~ libertarians and for ~~anarchists~~ libertarians. Go read up on the cypherpunks. Read the cyphernomicron. What do you think this is, some left/right san fran techie circlejerk to see who can make the coolest looking mining rig? This is a revolution. The 'politics and ideology' part is unavoidable.

Great comment, barely needed fixing.

/came for the circlejerk

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Quote from: alexanderanon on July 28, 2012, 08:17:44 PM

Perhaps that's where your problem lies, in your support for the state

Support for transparent organization != support for state

You think the world survives without organization. Have fun trying to work with others to build/create/better the world when you don't know how to contact them, can't get the work from them that you paid for, get robbed by them, and are raped by them in the night. Yay, anonymity!

alexanderanon

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Quote from: FlipPro on July 28, 2012, 08:26:55 PM

Quote from: Matthew N. Wright on July 28, 2012, 08:10:11 PM

Quote from: alexanderanon on July 28, 2012, 08:05:44 PM

Quote from: Matthew N. Wright on July 28, 2012, 07:52:43 PM

When everyone has a gun, there is less fighting. You apparently advocate having hidden guns so that you can empower users of deception and coercion (very non-libertarian).

??

How does gun concealment create deception and coercion? Notice how cops have their guns holstered for all to see while hackers use pseudonyms? I think you are trying to peddle some perceived hacker mantra without truly understanding the foundation of this entire movement.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptography
Cryptography (or cryptology; from Greek κρυπτός, "hidden, secret"; and γράφειν, graphein, "writing".

The "movement" is a military one. You think anonymity will protect you? Imagine everyone being anonymous. Wow. That's a fun world to live in. Who are your parents? Who are your friends? Who is your president? Who are the police? Everyone can commit any and all crimes against you and you have absolutely no recourse. Go peddle your thieving mantra somewhere else. Bitcoin is about transparency to end coercion, not about anonymity. Anonymity is a different battle, one that I do not at this point see any point in supporting.

To many +1 for one thread? LOL

I think your poor grammar is indicative of the quality of your judgment in general.

iCEBREAKER

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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.

Quote from: Raoul Duke on July 28, 2012, 06:19:18 PM

Now one thought exercise: I pay taxes and I DEMAND that the police investigates if I ever get "cryptocoins" stolen from me. What are you going to do about it?

Well, first I'd have to laugh at the idea of you attempting to explain the multiple advanced concepts necessary to understand cryptocoins to your earnest reporting officer (who has much more important matters pending his limited attention than your nerd drama).

Then I might write a comedy sketch about your vain attempts to fill out a police report, press charges, and further escalate the matter.

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"Describe the property stolen"
" 015ee09d20887701c404e9c3076b449f965656f6e72175a3b4725496149e75c2"

"Who do you suspect stole the property?"
"I'm 52.11212% sure 1MiHJFq2Nk8sdAAKSKgLUzi7zp4N3ZcVwz stole it, and 47.88788% sure it was 14uDeJYMp3Fr2Wm7biCvwqmf6To8rLt3hJ (the dirty bastard)."

"I'm sorry we can't understand WTF you're talking about, much less help you."
"OK then I'm filing a complaint, and getting a lawyer, and DEMANDing my taxes back."

"That's great buddy. Good luck with that."

You can't steal a number, despite what Sony's IP lawyers may have contended regarding 46-dc-ea-d3-17-fe-45-d8-09-23-eb-97-e4-95-64-10-d4-cd-b2-c2 (until proven wrong in a most humiliating public fashion).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_number

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Quote from: Matthew N. Wright on July 28, 2012, 08:10:11 PM

Quote from: alexanderanon on July 28, 2012, 08:05:44 PM

Quote from: Matthew N. Wright on July 28, 2012, 07:52:43 PM

When everyone has a gun, there is less fighting. You apparently advocate having hidden guns so that you can empower users of deception and coercion (very non-libertarian).

??

How does gun concealment create deception and coercion? Notice how cops have their guns holstered for all to see while hackers use pseudonyms? I think you are trying to peddle some perceived hacker mantra without truly understanding the foundation of this entire movement.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptography
Cryptography (or cryptology; from Greek κρυπτός, "hidden, secret"; and γράφειν, graphein, "writing".

The "movement" is a military one. You think anonymity will protect you? Imagine everyone being anonymous. Wow. That's a fun world to live in. Who are your parents? Who are your friends? Who is your president? Who are the police? Everyone can commit any and all crimes against you and you have absolutely no recourse. Go peddle your thieving mantra somewhere else. Bitcoin is about transparency to end coercion, not about anonymity. Anonymity is a different battle, one that I do not at this point see any point in supporting.

To many +1 for one thread? LOL

alexanderanon

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Quote from: Matthew N. Wright on July 28, 2012, 08:10:11 PM

Quote from: alexanderanon on July 28, 2012, 08:05:44 PM

Quote from: Matthew N. Wright on July 28, 2012, 07:52:43 PM

When everyone has a gun, there is less fighting. You apparently advocate having hidden guns so that you can empower users of deception and coercion (very non-libertarian).

??

How does gun concealment create deception and coercion? Notice how cops have their guns holstered for all to see while hackers use pseudonyms? I think you are trying to peddle some perceived hacker mantra without truly understanding the foundation of this entire movement.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptography
Cryptography (or cryptology; from Greek κρυπτός, "hidden, secret"; and γράφειν, graphein, "writing".

The "movement" is a military one. You think anonymity will protect you? Imagine everyone being anonymous. Wow. That's a fun world to live in. Who are your parents? Who are your friends? Who is your president? Who are the police? Everyone can commit any and all crimes against you and you have absolutely no recourse. Go peddle your thieving mantra somewhere else. Bitcoin is about transparency to end coercion, not about anonymity. Anonymity is a different battle, one that I do not at this point see any point in supporting.

I think you are just suffering from a fundamental cognitive failure. Anonymity is a powerful recourse, not a social imperative. It protects the weak from the oppressive, by making the weak faceless. And I don't imagine a world with a president or police. Perhaps that's where your problem lies, in your support for the state --- a true "thieving mantra".

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Quote from: alexanderanon on July 28, 2012, 08:05:44 PM

Quote from: Matthew N. Wright on July 28, 2012, 07:52:43 PM

When everyone has a gun, there is less fighting. You apparently advocate having hidden guns so that you can empower users of deception and coercion (very non-libertarian).

??

How does gun concealment create deception and coercion? Notice how cops have their guns holstered for all to see while hackers use pseudonyms? I think you are trying to peddle some perceived hacker mantra without truly understanding the foundation of this entire movement.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptography
Cryptography (or cryptology; from Greek κρυπτός, "hidden, secret"; and γράφειν, graphein, "writing".

The "movement" is a military one. You think anonymity will protect you? Imagine everyone being anonymous. Wow. That's a fun world to live in. Who are your parents? Who are your friends? Who is your president? Who are the police? Everyone can commit any and all crimes against you and you have absolutely no recourse. Go peddle your thieving mantra somewhere else. Bitcoin is about transparency to end coercion, not about anonymity. Anonymity is a different battle, one that I do not at this point see any point in supporting.

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Quote from: Matthew N. Wright on July 28, 2012, 07:52:43 PM

When everyone has a gun, there is less fighting. You apparently advocate having hidden guns so that you can empower users of deception and coercion (very non-libertarian).

??

How does gun concealment create deception and coercion? Notice how cops have their guns holstered for all to see while hackers use pseudonyms? I think you are trying to peddle some perceived hacker mantra without truly understanding the foundation of this entire movement.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptography
Cryptography (or cryptology; from Greek κρυπτός, "hidden, secret"; and γράφειν, graphein, "writing".

FlipPro

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Quote from: DeathAndTaxes on July 28, 2012, 06:24:27 PM

Quote from: unclemantis on July 28, 2012, 06:22:06 PM

Hey cops! Some guy stole my math equations that are worth on the black market xxx usd

Last time I check MtGox and other exchanges aren't black markets. The fact that Bitcoins (and dollars) can be used for illegal purposes doesn't negate the fact that they have value in legit markets.

Another +1.

There are some very stupid and uninformed people in this forum it seems =/

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Quote from: BadBear on July 28, 2012, 06:11:22 PM

Keep your politics/ideologies out of my bitcoins.

+1

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Quote from: alexanderanon on July 28, 2012, 07:38:23 PM

What is transparent about bittorrent?

What is anonymous about it? How many people have been dragged into court rooms despite it's "anonymous nature" you claim?

Quote from: alexanderanon on July 28, 2012, 07:38:23 PM

You share files fairly anonymously, and you don't get shut down or sued like Napster.

200,000 U.S. BitTorrent Users Sued, http://www.tomsguide.com/us/bittorrent-file-sharing-copyright-violation-lawsuit,news-12115.html

Quote from: alexanderanon on July 28, 2012, 07:38:23 PM

Wikileaks? Leak files...anonymously?

Wikileaks is not anonymous. If it were anonymous, why would Asange be wanted by the US? You know you can leak things to -any- reporter in the USA and they can protect your identity as well?

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Using anonymous darknet mediums such as Tor?

https://www.torproject.org/about/torusers.html.en

That's who uses tor. It has nothing to do with some noble cause. It's just about hiding yourself. Who needs to hide themselves when everyone knows who everyone is and what they're doing?

When everyone has a gun, there is less fighting. You apparently advocate having hidden guns so that you can empower users of deception and coercion (very non-libertarian).

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This is why a truly free market will never exist. People make dumb decisions, (ie: leaving 20k bitcoins on bitcoinica) get law enforcement involved cause they are angry, eventually laws happen and round and round we go.

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http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/07/crypto-cat-encryption-for-all/

Anonymous cowards!

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Quote from: Matthew N. Wright on July 28, 2012, 07:25:56 PM

Quote from: alexanderanon on July 28, 2012, 07:16:26 PM

Bittorrent

Aids transparency by sharing files.

Quote from: alexanderanon on July 28, 2012, 07:16:26 PM

peer to peer

Aids transparency by sharing files.

Quote from: alexanderanon on July 28, 2012, 07:16:26 PM

wikileaks

Aids transparency by sharing information.

Quote from: alexanderanon on July 28, 2012, 07:16:26 PM

Piratebay

Aids transparency by sharing files.

Quote from: alexanderanon on July 28, 2012, 07:16:26 PM

Tor

Focuses on anonymity.

Transparency is great. Anonymity is for cowards who want to fight wars at the expense of others without any repercussions.

Seriously? Do you really not see how anonymity and privacy is the fundamental here, and transparency is merely a derivative consequence? What is transparent about bittorrent? You share files fairly anonymously, and you don't get shut down or sued like Napster. It doesn't create transparency in monolithic institution, unless you count that in with depriving record labels and hollywood producers of revenue. Wikileaks? Leak files...anonymously? So that it can create transparency in monolithic institutions? Like the state? Deprived of revenue by tax-evading anonymous currencies? Using anonymous darknet mediums such as Tor? Equals libertarian anarchism?

Cause and effect.

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Quote from: alexanderanon on July 28, 2012, 07:19:51 PM

The nature of the system compels behavior towards that behavior which can only be described as libertarian. Are you telling me you are going to actually disclose bitcoin holdings/earnings on your tax forms?

There'd be no reason for me not to declare it - income from a hobby isn't taxable here.

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