Your cryptocoins were stolen and you called the police? WTF? Are you serious? - page 4.

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Quote from: alexanderanon on July 28, 2012, 07:16:26 PM

Bittorrent

Aids transparency by sharing files.

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peer to peer

Aids transparency by sharing files.

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wikileaks

Aids transparency by sharing information.

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Piratebay

Aids transparency by sharing files.

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Tor

Focuses on anonymity.

Transparency is great. Anonymity is for cowards who want to fight wars at the expense of others without any repercussions.

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Quote from: repentance on July 28, 2012, 07:13:05 PM

Quote from: barbarousrelic on July 28, 2012, 06:52:57 PM

It is not illegal or illicit to barter whatever you want for whatever you want (so long as those things are both legal to possess and sell.) So there's nothing wrong about calling the police if one of these legal items is stolen. They might not care much about virtual Internet currency, but there's nothing saying you can't contact them.

They mightn't care much about in game items, either, but people have been prosecuted for stealing virtual furniture from Habbo Hotel.

Crypto-anarchists can believe that there's a "right" way to do Bitcoin all they like, but the reality is that crypto-anarchists are not the only - or even the majority of -people using Bitcoin and those who wish to use it as either an alternative currency or a commodity see no reason why Bitcoin thefts shouldn't be treated like the theft of any other item.

Crypto-anarchists can't tell other people how they "should" regard Bitcoin or confine Bitcoin use to those who share their ideology.

The nature of the system compels behavior towards that behavior which can only be described as libertarian. Are you telling me you are going to actually disclose bitcoin holdings/earnings on your tax forms?

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Quote from: alexanderanon on July 28, 2012, 06:53:57 PM

Bitcoin was created by anarchists and for anarchists. Go read up on the cypherpunks. Read the cyphernomicron. What do you think this is, some left/right san fran techie circlejerk to see who can make the coolest looking mining rig? This is a revolution. The 'politics and ideology' part is unavoidable.

Any evidence that Satoshi or any of the early developers are anarchists?
Any evidence that all the current developers are anarchists?
Any evidence that a majority of current users are anarchists?

Probably not. How much development of the Bitcoin protocol have you done?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cypherpunks#Noteworthy_cypherpunks
Bittorrent, peer to peer, wikileaks, *LINUX*, Piratebay, Tor, Satoshi? I recall Satoshi expressing some libertarian sentiment in some old post of his, but I won't find it for you now. To suggest that bitcoin is not in some way a result of decades of libertarian thought is a gross denial on your part. Hell, the mainstream even refers to it as some "libertarian dream" akin to those libertarian islands. And I'm sure the majority of users are libertarians, particularly early adopters. The rest are mostly slashdot liberals who think this is a neat idea but have no conception of the implications of bitcoin on society whatsoever. It's like a savage discovering fire and not creating civilization from it.

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Quote from: barbarousrelic on July 28, 2012, 06:52:57 PM

It is not illegal or illicit to barter whatever you want for whatever you want (so long as those things are both legal to possess and sell.) So there's nothing wrong about calling the police if one of these legal items is stolen. They might not care much about virtual Internet currency, but there's nothing saying you can't contact them.

They mightn't care much about in game items, either, but people have been prosecuted for stealing virtual furniture from Habbo Hotel.

Crypto-anarchists can believe that there's a "right" way to do Bitcoin all they like, but the reality is that crypto-anarchists are not the only - or even the majority of -people using Bitcoin and those who wish to use it as either an alternative currency or a commodity see no reason why Bitcoin thefts shouldn't be treated like the theft of any other item.

Crypto-anarchists can't tell other people how they "should" regard Bitcoin or confine Bitcoin use to those who share their ideology.

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Quote from: Matthew N. Wright on July 28, 2012, 07:04:03 PM

It was never a hacker's agenda to promote anonymity-- the objective was always transparency. Hacking to unlock the truth, sharing information, shedding light on lies, uncovering the truth, breaking through the anonymity of thieves, liars, political agendas and deception. This "anonymous" obsession is not a noble one and has no part in a functioning society.

Also, "Alexander" only seems to post something right when Atlas is banned. Coincidence?

Troll elsewhere? I've noticed that you seem to accuse everyone of being some Atlas impersonator. I've been a member longer than you have. Maybe you're Atlas!

And go read the cyphernomicron. Dispense with your san fran techcrunch "transparency" obsession. Why don't you go develop a facebook app?

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Quote from: alexanderanon on July 28, 2012, 06:53:57 PM

Bitcoin was created by anarchists and for anarchists. Go read up on the cypherpunks. Read the cyphernomicron. What do you think this is, some left/right san fran techie circlejerk to see who can make the coolest looking mining rig? This is a revolution. The 'politics and ideology' part is unavoidable.

Any evidence that Satoshi or any of the early developers are anarchists?
Any evidence that all the current developers are anarchists?
Any evidence that a majority of current users are anarchists?

Probably not. How much development of the Bitcoin protocol have you done?

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It was never a hacker's agenda to promote anonymity-- the objective was always transparency. Hacking to unlock the truth, sharing information, shedding light on lies, uncovering the truth, breaking through the anonymity of thieves, liars, political agendas and deception. This "anonymous" obsession is not a noble one and has no part in a functioning society.

Also, "Alexander" only seems to post something right when Atlas is banned. Coincidence?

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Quote from: unclemantis on July 28, 2012, 06:22:06 PM

Hey cops! Some guy stole my math equations that are worth on the black market xxx usd

Last time I check MtGox and other exchanges aren't black markets. The fact that Bitcoins (and dollars) can be used for illegal purposes doesn't negate the fact that they have value in legit markets.

OK fine. They are UNREGULATED AND NO LAWS PROTECT FROM THIS TYPE OF PRODUCT.

Is that better?

Hi bulanula! Welcome back!

You got to be kidding me. All of you saying such barbarities are making me wish someone steals some bitcoins from me so I can go complaint to the police and prove you wrong =/

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Quote from: alexanderanon on July 28, 2012, 06:53:57 PM

While statist entities still exist, people who can identify perpetrators of bitcoin related crimes will continue to seek retribution using this perverse system of old. Nothing can be done about this, but in the history of bitcoin thefts, most have resulted in no police action because of bitcoin's strong anonymity. As bitcoin matures into the mainstream, I suspect these scams will become less commonplace as people's real identities become more tied to their online ones, and hopefully a reputation system emerges to "enforce" contracts in this new bitcoin economy. However, if the state is continually drawn into bitcoin disputes, bitcoin will be outlawed sooner than later. Then it will be driven underground, and only those ideologically committed to the principles that gave birth to bitcoin will continue to support bitcoin. The others will probably resort to some mintchip nonsense.

Quote from: BadBear on July 28, 2012, 06:11:22 PM

Keep your politics/ideologies out of my bitcoins.

Bitcoin was created by anarchists and for anarchists. Go read up on the cypherpunks. Read the cyphernomicron. What do you think this is, some left/right san fran techie circlejerk to see who can make the coolest looking mining rig? This is a revolution. The 'politics and ideology' part is unavoidable.

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Quote from: barbarousrelic on July 28, 2012, 06:52:57 PM

It is not illegal or illicit to barter whatever you want for whatever you want (so long as those things are both legal to possess and sell.) So there's nothing wrong about calling the police if one of these legal items is stolen. They might not care much about virtual Internet currency, but there's nothing saying you can't contact them.

Funny thing is that if u follow advice that let u to stay anonymous then it could be hard to prove that u realy owned some particular bitcoins. So we need something that is integral part of bitcoin's world.

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While statist entities still exist, people who can identify perpetrators of bitcoin related crimes will continue to seek retribution using this perverse system of old. Nothing can be done about this, but in the history of bitcoin thefts, most have resulted in no police action because of bitcoin's strong anonymity. As bitcoin matures into the mainstream, I suspect these scams will become less commonplace as people's real identities become more tied to their online ones, and hopefully a reputation system emerges to "enforce" contracts in this new bitcoin economy. However, if the state is continually drawn into bitcoin disputes, bitcoin will be outlawed sooner than later. Then it will be driven underground, and only those ideologically committed to the principles that gave birth to bitcoin will continue to support bitcoin. The others will probably resort to some mintchip nonsense.

Quote from: BadBear on July 28, 2012, 06:11:22 PM

Keep your politics/ideologies out of my bitcoins.

Bitcoin was created by anarchists and for anarchists. Go read up on the cypherpunks. Read the cyphernomicron. What do you think this is, some left/right san fran techie circlejerk to see who can make the coolest looking mining rig? This is a revolution. The 'politics and ideology' part is unavoidable.

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It is not illegal or illicit to barter whatever you want for whatever you want (so long as those things are both legal to possess and sell.) So there's nothing wrong about calling the police if one of these legal items is stolen. They might not care much about virtual Internet currency, but there's nothing saying you can't contact them.

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Quote from: unclemantis on July 28, 2012, 06:37:24 PM

OK fine. They are UNREGULATED AND NO LAWS PROTECT FROM THIS TYPE OF PRODUCT.

Is that better?

Much better. Now we understand that our community needs something that would protect us in such cases. This could be (for example) modification of bitcoin algo that let us to revert criminal transactions. It's very tempting to get back the bitcoins stolen from Bitcoinica account.

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Reason why people don't call the cops:

1) They are actually the ones that committed the crime

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Reasons why people call for the cops are:

1. they are NOT a victim and just are craving for sensation
2. they ARE a victim and realize that a civil process to recover funds is far to risky and prohibitively expensive, so they desire revenge. Helplessly thy cry for others.

what they don't realize is that the cops won't actively start international crime investigations, pioneering new fields of law for such low amounts of damage. while local law obliges mostly to investigate, luckily also government conducts somehow a cost-benefit analysis.

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Quote from: Matthew N. Wright on July 28, 2012, 06:36:55 PM

Actually, police will investigate gang shootings against drug dealers who carry unlicensed firearms as well. You have misunderstood what the police are for based on your misinformation. Are you getting all your news from youtube?

I meant the warfare like American Civil War.

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There is more to Bitcoin than bitcoins.

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Quote from: unclemantis on July 28, 2012, 06:22:06 PM

Hey cops! Some guy stole my math equations that are worth on the black market xxx usd

Last time I check MtGox and other exchanges aren't black markets. The fact that Bitcoins (and dollars) can be used for illegal purposes doesn't negate the fact that they have value in legit markets.

OK fine. They are UNREGULATED AND NO LAWS PROTECT FROM THIS TYPE OF PRODUCT.

Is that better?

Why are you yelling, uncle? Also, just curious - are carrots regulated? I'm growing some in my garden. What do you think about carrots?

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Any reasonable person would call the police if something was stolen from them.

All evidence points towards Zhou Tong stealing from Bitcoinica. He claims to have his identity stolen, and he says he was framed. Yet he has not called the police... hmmmmm

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Quote from: unclemantis on July 28, 2012, 06:37:24 PM

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Quote from: unclemantis on July 28, 2012, 06:22:06 PM

Hey cops! Some guy stole my math equations that are worth on the black market xxx usd

Last time I check MtGox and other exchanges aren't black markets. The fact that Bitcoins (and dollars) can be used for illegal purposes doesn't negate the fact that they have value in legit markets.

OK fine. They are UNREGULATED AND NO LAWS PROTECT FROM THIS TYPE OF PRODUCT.

Is that better?

Not really. They are unregulated directly but are still regulated to a degree via FinCEN.

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Quote from: DeathAndTaxes on July 28, 2012, 06:24:27 PM

Quote from: unclemantis on July 28, 2012, 06:22:06 PM

Hey cops! Some guy stole my math equations that are worth on the black market xxx usd

Last time I check MtGox and other exchanges aren't black markets. The fact that Bitcoins (and dollars) can be used for illegal purposes doesn't negate the fact that they have value in legit markets.

OK fine. They are UNREGULATED AND NO LAWS PROTECT FROM THIS TYPE OF PRODUCT.

Is that better?

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