A Ukrainian soldier was drove to suicide
https://seegore.com/a-ukrainian-soldier-was-drove-to-suicide/
If you won't suicide by yourself, your Ukraine commanders will get job done
https://www.theinteldrop.org/2023/12/17/ukrainian-soldiers-ordered-into-suicide-missions-nyt/
https://sputnikglobe.com/20240125/suicide-mission-ukrainian-troops-reveal-dire-situation-on-the-battlefield-1116376198.html
https://pledgetimes.com/a-ukrainian-armed-forces-soldier-shot-and-killed-his-colleagues-in-the-border-region-of-ukraine/
Ukrainian conscript soldier breaks down during frontline training (notice difference in morale of Ukrainian conscript and
American that is training him for meat grinder)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBE2Ijwfj08
@Paxmao I could continue on and on, but unlike you I don't enjoy war porn, and its really sad that Boris Johnson
prevented peace deal and forced all this to happen
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I also have a Ukrainian air strike (those weapons "that do not work...")
Noone except you said they don't work...6% efficiency is not the same as 0%,
and allows you to put your propaganda here and there...but front line is moving in just one direction,
and only one side is forced to conscript people by abducting them on streets
Yes Branko, the problem seems to be that the Ruzzian command does not believe you. You have to explain to them that it is OK to keep their aircraft in the forward bases, because they are so confused by propaganda that they have moved them well away from ATACAMS range.
If I wanted to provide some less validated information o something more like "cheering"... well there is plenty to choose from...
Like a 97% personnel loss in an attack in Vulhedar...
My guess is that Ruzzian soldiers know what happens when you go into "recovery"...
https://x.com/i/status/1795098916347601250
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About 28 military personnel who were previously wounded in Ukraine are being held by force in a pre-trial detention center in Yakutsk for refusing to go back to war . Physical violence is used against military personnel, as well as other forms of torture : they limit the ability to go to the toilet, play music at full volume (Shaman).
So they would rather suicide (viewer discretion advised)
https://x.com/i/status/1792639233129075030
Another...
https://x.com/i/status/1795382356133769610
Another...
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GOnBwdHWwAEwfoj?format=png&name=small
"Ruzzian troops..."
Fresh recruits... it is ok to have heart disease, you won't be needed for long anyway...
https://x.com/i/status/1795118638875205787
See.. there is plenty of information out there that is difficult to check, so I recommend people who want to enlist in the Ruzzian army to "do their own research".
I also have a Ukrainian air strike (those weapons "that do not work...")
Noone except you said they don't work...6% efficiency is not the same as 0%,
and allows you to put your propaganda here and there...but front line is moving in just one direction,
and only one side is forced to conscript people by abducting them on streets
You should look at this war as geopolitical game, not through child eyes as fight between good and evil
UK and USA cheer every dead Ukrainian as well as dead Russian...both are gain for them
WW2 was same
UK and USA cheer every dead Ukrainian as well as dead Russian...both are gain for them
WW2 was same
Are you really comparing WW2 to this? Sure I'll follow your logic.
Do you know why the West cheered every dead Russian? Because Russians were the aggressors along with Germans, they just happen to have a disagreement somewhere allowing the way.
In WW2 Germans and Russians were like 2 wolves sharing one prey, be it a deer, and one thought he's the stronger one and can have all the meat, so he jumped the other one while it was eating and you're surprised that the other animals came to watch and give themselves high fives while the wolves bled?
I'm an Eastern European and from my perspective the bigger the Russian losses the better. I won't shed a tear for your soldiers. They go to war for money and it's their choice to kill Ukrainians. The more of these murderers and invaders die out there, the less we'll have to deal with when the time comes.
Everyone understood that you were Eastern European without you explicitly saying it
That logic is flawed on the surface, but are you seriously not even thinking through to the second step? Even if we don't care about Ukrainian lives/statehood, don't you think that policy of punishing Russia by flooding China with cheap resources will backfire and result in far worse consequences? Or we're just so blinded by "Russia=bad" brainwashing that we don't care about anything else?
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@Branko, one would think that one like you should be able to tell a fascist when he sees one.
@Branko, one would think that one like you should be able to tell a fascist when he sees one.
Yes I can:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFZf1h9H5js
The west in my view is not about "cheering" anything, it is about seeking durable peace and preferably one that can be economically sustainable in the long term.
@Branko probably believes that giving updates on loses and attacks is "cheering", he is probably not used to see both sides of the story.
Sure, like UK did in Libya, destroying functional state into a mess where now only slave markets are functional...I can continue and
list few more, but I think its enough to show how laughable is your comment
Typical rooinek:
https://thepeoplesvoice.tv/boris-johnson-caught-holding-nazi-flag-in-uk-parliament-calls-neo-nazi-azov-brigade-heroes/
Whattabout...
I got another picture of Luhansk, it is a big fire there...
And has been burning for a while...
I also have a Ukrainian air strike (those weapons "that do not work...")
And can observe in the map that there are much much less Ruzzia glide bomb attacks. It may be a significant strategic change, we will see in the upcoming days.
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@Branko, one would think that one like you should be able to tell a fascist when he sees one.
@Branko, one would think that one like you should be able to tell a fascist when he sees one.
Yes I can:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFZf1h9H5js
The west in my view is not about "cheering" anything, it is about seeking durable peace and preferably one that can be economically sustainable in the long term.
@Branko probably believes that giving updates on loses and attacks is "cheering", he is probably not used to see both sides of the story.
Sure, like UK did in Libya, destroying functional state into a mess where now only slave markets are functional...I can continue and
list few more, but I think its enough to show how laughable is your comment
Typical rooinek:
https://thepeoplesvoice.tv/boris-johnson-caught-holding-nazi-flag-in-uk-parliament-calls-neo-nazi-azov-brigade-heroes/
https://belsat.eu/en/news/14-05-2023-the-children-of-the-russian-elite-are-hiding-out-in-the-west
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/04/12/us/kremlin-kids-in-the-west-invs/index.html
Are you really comparing WW2 to this? Sure I'll follow your logic.
Do you know why the West cheered every dead Russian? Because Russians were the aggressors along with Germans, they just happen to have a disagreement somewhere allowing the way.
In WW2 Germans and Russians were like 2 wolves sharing one prey, be it a deer, and one thought he's the stronger one and can have all the meat, so he jumped the other one while it was eating and you're surprised that the other animals came to watch and give themselves high fives while the wolves bled?
I'm an Eastern European and from my perspective the bigger the Russian losses the better. I won't shed a tear for your soldiers. They go to war for money and it's their choice to kill Ukrainians. The more of these murderers and invaders die out there, the less we'll have to deal with when the time comes.
The west in my view is not about "cheering" anything, it is about seeking durable peace and preferably one that can be economically sustainable in the long term.
@Branko probably believes that giving updates on loses and attacks is "cheering", he is probably not used to see both sides of the story.
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/04/12/us/kremlin-kids-in-the-west-invs/index.html
Are you really comparing WW2 to this? Sure I'll follow your logic.
Do you know why the West cheered every dead Russian? Because Russians were the aggressors along with Germans, they just happen to have a disagreement somewhere allowing the way.
In WW2 Germans and Russians were like 2 wolves sharing one prey, be it a deer, and one thought he's the stronger one and can have all the meat, so he jumped the other one while it was eating and you're surprised that the other animals came to watch and give themselves high fives while the wolves bled?
I'm an Eastern European and from my perspective the bigger the Russian losses the better. I won't shed a tear for your soldiers. They go to war for money and it's their choice to kill Ukrainians. The more of these murderers and invaders die out there, the less we'll have to deal with when the time comes.
The west in my view is not about "cheering" anything, it is about seeking durable peace and preferably one that can be economically sustainable in the long term.
@Branko probably believes that giving updates on loses and attacks is "cheering", he is probably not used to see both sides of the story.
Russia broke the USA/UK influence over them a long rime ago - https://duckduckgo.com/?q=who+financed+the+bolsheviks%3F&ia=web. Now Russia is simply trying to help the Ukraine break it. It's like having a fever. You gotta break it if you want to get well. Hopefully Ukraine will break the UK/USA fever. So many countries around the world have not broken the fever, but have succumbed to US banking rule.
Its kind of funny that you have to repeatedly explain that on bitcoin forum
Russia broke the USA/UK influence over them a long rime ago - https://duckduckgo.com/?q=who+financed+the+bolsheviks%3F&ia=web. Now Russia is simply trying to help the Ukraine break it. It's like having a fever. You gotta break it if you want to get well. Hopefully Ukraine will break the UK/USA fever. So many countries around the world have not broken the fever, but have succumbed to US banking rule.
Are you really comparing WW2 to this? Sure I'll follow your logic.
Do you know why the West cheered every dead Russian? Because Russians were the aggressors along with Germans, they just happen to have a disagreement somewhere allowing the way.
In WW2 Germans and Russians were like 2 wolves sharing one prey, be it a deer, and one thought he's the stronger one and can have all the meat, so he jumped the other one while it was eating and you're surprised that the other animals came to watch and give themselves high fives while the wolves bled?
I'm an Eastern European and from my perspective the bigger the Russian losses the better. I won't shed a tear for your soldiers. They go to war for money and it's their choice to kill Ukrainians. The more of these murderers and invaders die out there, the less we'll have to deal with when the time comes.
Finally you see the truth, and admit what UK and USA worked on from start
meanwhile, another Ukraine radar go boom:
https://t.me/ukr_leaks_eng/12632
Why Ukrainians fear their own army:
https://t.me/ukr_leaks_eng/12627
The terminal in airport in Zaporizhzhia was hit by Ruzzia. This is one of the airports that is suited to host f16. In my view f16 is the wrong aircraft for Ukraine, the Grippen would be much better, but one cannot deny that there are thousands of f16 all over the world and that is quite useful.
And of course, Ruzzia immediately got evidence that missiles fly now west to east too. I am waiting for graphic confirmation of the hits in Luhansk airport in the occupied Ukraine, but it seems ATACAMS again.
Edit: Got a glimpse. Let's see if there is satellite evidence along next days and a calibration of damages
And of course, Ruzzia immediately got evidence that missiles fly now west to east too. I am waiting for graphic confirmation of the hits in Luhansk airport in the occupied Ukraine, but it seems ATACAMS again.
Edit: Got a glimpse. Let's see if there is satellite evidence along next days and a calibration of damages
You should look at this war as geopolitical game, not through child eyes as fight between good and evil
UK and USA cheer every dead Ukrainian as well as dead Russian...both are gain for them
WW2 was same
UK and USA cheer every dead Ukrainian as well as dead Russian...both are gain for them
WW2 was same
Are you really comparing WW2 to this? Sure I'll follow your logic.
Do you know why the West cheered every dead Russian? Because Russians were the aggressors along with Germans, they just happen to have a disagreement somewhere allowing the way.
In WW2 Germans and Russians were like 2 wolves sharing one prey, be it a deer, and one thought he's the stronger one and can have all the meat, so he jumped the other one while it was eating and you're surprised that the other animals came to watch and give themselves high fives while the wolves bled?
I'm an Eastern European and from my perspective the bigger the Russian losses the better. I won't shed a tear for your soldiers. They go to war for money and it's their choice to kill Ukrainians. The more of these murderers and invaders die out there, the less we'll have to deal with when the time comes.
Meanwhile, "smart" Excalibur shells have worse hit rate than 200 times less expensive Russian dumb ones:
https://www.businessinsider.com/us-gave-up-sending-ukraine-100k-excalibur-shells-hit-targets-2024-5
It seems this war is good learning lesson for Russians for future fights against NATO...I would not be surprised
to soon see them developing tech to send Excalibur and Himars back to sender
https://www.businessinsider.com/us-gave-up-sending-ukraine-100k-excalibur-shells-hit-targets-2024-5
It seems this war is good learning lesson for Russians for future fights against NATO...I would not be surprised
to soon see them developing tech to send Excalibur and Himars back to sender
Yes Branko, western weapons "do not work". 1 in 10 hitting the target, mmmm so you need targets that are more than 1 million in value or in strategic value. Like a tank, arty piece or a building full of meatweavers,...
Anyway, it seems that the GPS spoofing is in general creating issues. Even for commercial aviation in Finland. Let's see how long does it take "the sender" to find a way around - because it will happen - adaptation works both ways.
Meanwhile ATACAMS, SCALPs & Stormshadows seem to be dealing perfectly well with the tampering. It is a good thing because these are the ones that are more relevant to the "frog boiling".
Meanwhile, "smart" Excalibur shells have worse hit rate than 200 times less expensive Russian dumb ones:
https://www.businessinsider.com/us-gave-up-sending-ukraine-100k-excalibur-shells-hit-targets-2024-5
It seems this war is good learning lesson for Russians for future fights against NATO...I would not be surprised
to soon see them developing tech to send Excalibur and Himars back to sender
https://www.businessinsider.com/us-gave-up-sending-ukraine-100k-excalibur-shells-hit-targets-2024-5
It seems this war is good learning lesson for Russians for future fights against NATO...I would not be surprised
to soon see them developing tech to send Excalibur and Himars back to sender
You mean NATO attacked Serbia? What was Serbia doing at that time? Was it not attacking Croatia, Bosnia,... Again, who is the aggressor and who is acting in defence? did NATO attack Serbia before they started a (genocidal) war with the ex-republics and started the ethnical cleanse of Albanians or after?
The point you are making about dragging the war, I have been making it since more than a year ago. It was not a good idea to start the war and the actor that is getting the worst of a prolonged war is Ruzzia (not the only one) because is using up resources that cannot be re-built.
It is time for Putin to consider a peace plan by returning the Ukrainian territory and paying reparations, returning the kidnapped children,... Unless he does not want out.
But that will not happen. You need to keep boiling the frong until it is no longer a threat to anyone. US strategy will not change at least for a year.
The point you are making about dragging the war, I have been making it since more than a year ago. It was not a good idea to start the war and the actor that is getting the worst of a prolonged war is Ruzzia (not the only one) because is using up resources that cannot be re-built.
It is time for Putin to consider a peace plan by returning the Ukrainian territory and paying reparations, returning the kidnapped children,... Unless he does not want out.
But that will not happen. You need to keep boiling the frong until it is no longer a threat to anyone. US strategy will not change at least for a year.
Haha were Croatia, Bosnia part of NATO when NATO decided to attack Yugoslavia, against all international laws and UN charter? Oops. In fact even NATO didn't attempt to justify this as self defense, their claim was that sure it's illegal for each individual country to attack another country, but NATO itself is not a member of UN so as an alliance and under the alliance flag, they're not bound by UN charter and can do whatever, keep trying to confuse uneducated.
Ahh i see, so you still pretending that Ukraine is better off than Russia now. Russia keeps taking more territory while Ukraine keeps loosing more and more of its population, but you continue to spin that as a positive, and rooting for it to go on for much longer? Good job comrade, who's side are you on again
No they were not part of NATO, but. NATO stopped a war that was ongoing, not started an invasion and thanks for noting that there was an UN mandate involved. Unless you want to re-write history (again)?
I am not pretending anything, I am just wondering if Ruzzia can keep loosing critical infrastructure, jets that cannot be replaced, oil refineries and other targets. Some of this are expensive, some others are simply the last ones as they cannot be produced again.
It is time for Ruzzia to figure out how the future looks if things become "half". Half the Black sea fleet underwater, half of the air defence systems destroyed, half of their refining capacity gone, half of the generals in prison, half of the positions in factories not covered, half of the business gone and half of the income from foreign assets confiscated.
But if you say that is ok, then it is ok. It takes a while for the frog to boil.
Ahh so NATO can attack anyone in the world as long as they're in a conflict, without any UN security council approval, and that's what makes them a defense alliance
World police, judge, jury, and the executioner, which majority of the world didn't vote for? While totally ignoring other conflicts like actual war crimes in Gaza? Why those crazy Russian's wouldn't want that on their borders is a total mystery! When Cuba can't even receive advanced medical equipment without it being somehow considered an existential threat to US 
we all believe that right?It's actually quiet ironic that Ukrainian leaders decided to volunteer their population in order to attempt to push that ideology through, but of course once China showed which side it's on, everyone realized that it's destined to fail.
You mean NATO attacked Serbia? What was Serbia doing at that time? Was it not attacking Croatia, Bosnia,... Again, who is the aggressor and who is acting in defence? did NATO attack Serbia before they started a (genocidal) war with the ex-republics and started the ethnical cleanse of Albanians or after?
The point you are making about dragging the war, I have been making it since more than a year ago. It was not a good idea to start the war and the actor that is getting the worst of a prolonged war is Ruzzia (not the only one) because is using up resources that cannot be re-built.
It is time for Putin to consider a peace plan by returning the Ukrainian territory and paying reparations, returning the kidnapped children,... Unless he does not want out.
But that will not happen. You need to keep boiling the frong until it is no longer a threat to anyone. US strategy will not change at least for a year.
The point you are making about dragging the war, I have been making it since more than a year ago. It was not a good idea to start the war and the actor that is getting the worst of a prolonged war is Ruzzia (not the only one) because is using up resources that cannot be re-built.
It is time for Putin to consider a peace plan by returning the Ukrainian territory and paying reparations, returning the kidnapped children,... Unless he does not want out.
But that will not happen. You need to keep boiling the frong until it is no longer a threat to anyone. US strategy will not change at least for a year.
Haha were Croatia, Bosnia part of NATO when NATO decided to attack Yugoslavia, against all international laws and UN charter? Oops. In fact even NATO didn't attempt to justify this as self defense, their claim was that sure it's illegal for each individual country to attack another country, but NATO itself is not a member of UN so as an alliance and under the alliance flag, they're not bound by UN charter and can do whatever, keep trying to confuse uneducated.
Ahh i see, so you still pretending that Ukraine is better off than Russia now. Russia keeps taking more territory while Ukraine keeps loosing more and more of its population, but you continue to spin that as a positive, and rooting for it to go on for much longer? Good job comrade, who's side are you on again
No they were not part of NATO, but. NATO stopped a war that was ongoing, not started an invasion and thanks for noting that there was an UN mandate involved. Unless you want to re-write history (again)?
I am not pretending anything, I am just wondering if Ruzzia can keep loosing critical infrastructure, jets that cannot be replaced, oil refineries and other targets. Some of this are expensive, some others are simply the last ones as they cannot be produced again.
It is time for Ruzzia to figure out how the future looks if things become "half". Half the Black sea fleet underwater, half of the air defence systems destroyed, half of their refining capacity gone, half of the generals in prison, half of the positions in factories not covered, half of the business gone and half of the income from foreign assets confiscated.
But if you say that is ok, then it is ok. It takes a while for the frog to boil.
Are there many defensive alliances that attack other countries first, like when NATO attacked Yugoslavia? I'm sure China loves such precedence and instructions on how to sell such crap to population.
Attack is Defense. War Is Peace. Freedom Is Slavery. Ignorance Is Strength
You know pretty well that Ukraine cannot use the weapons as they see fit, just ask Biden. You also know the reason, that Ukraine is provided weapons not to win but just not loose too fast. For some, unknown to me, reason Ukrainian leadership was happy to accept that role for their citizens, and now people are living with those consequences. As you're well aware, if US really wanted Ukraine to win, there are million things that they could've tried to do differently. Instead Ukraine will maybe get only few F16s this year to slow down the losses and drag out the inevitable for a bit longer. Everyone has a role to play, and everyone knows which role leadership picked for Ukraine
Attack is Defense. War Is Peace. Freedom Is Slavery. Ignorance Is Strength
You know pretty well that Ukraine cannot use the weapons as they see fit, just ask Biden. You also know the reason, that Ukraine is provided weapons not to win but just not loose too fast. For some, unknown to me, reason Ukrainian leadership was happy to accept that role for their citizens, and now people are living with those consequences. As you're well aware, if US really wanted Ukraine to win, there are million things that they could've tried to do differently. Instead Ukraine will maybe get only few F16s this year to slow down the losses and drag out the inevitable for a bit longer. Everyone has a role to play, and everyone knows which role leadership picked for Ukraine
You mean NATO attacked Serbia? What was Serbia doing at that time? Was it not attacking Croatia, Bosnia,... Again, who is the aggressor and who is acting in defence? did NATO attack Serbia before they started a (genocidal) war with the ex-republics and started the ethnical cleanse of Albanians or after?
The point you are making about dragging the war, I have been making it since more than a year ago. It was not a good idea to start the war and the actor that is getting the worst of a prolonged war is Ruzzia (not the only one) because is using up resources that cannot be re-built.
It is time for Putin to consider a peace plan by returning the Ukrainian territory and paying reparations, returning the kidnapped children,... Unless he does not want out.
But that will not happen. You need to keep boiling the frong until it is no longer a threat to anyone. US strategy will not change at least for a year.
Haha were Croatia, Bosnia part of NATO when NATO decided to attack Yugoslavia, against all international laws and UN charter? Oops. In fact even NATO didn't attempt to justify this as self defense, their claim was that sure it's illegal for each individual country to attack another country, but NATO itself is not a member of UN so as an alliance and under the alliance flag, they're not bound by UN charter and can do whatever, keep trying to confuse uneducated.
Ahh i see, so you still pretending that Ukraine is better off than Russia now. Russia keeps taking more territory while Ukraine keeps loosing more and more of its population, but you continue to spin that as a positive, and rooting for it to go on for much longer? Good job comrade, who's side are you on again
Are there many defensive alliances that attack other countries first, like when NATO attacked Yugoslavia? I'm sure China loves such precedence and instructions on how to sell such crap to population.
Attack is Defense. War Is Peace. Freedom Is Slavery. Ignorance Is Strength
You know pretty well that Ukraine cannot use the weapons as they see fit, just ask Biden. You also know the reason, that Ukraine is provided weapons not to win but just not loose too fast. For some, unknown to me, reason Ukrainian leadership was happy to accept that role for their citizens, and now people are living with those consequences. As you're well aware, if US really wanted Ukraine to win, there are million things that they could've tried to do differently. Instead Ukraine will maybe get only few F16s this year to slow down the losses and drag out the inevitable for a bit longer. Everyone has a role to play, and everyone knows which role leadership picked for Ukraine
Attack is Defense. War Is Peace. Freedom Is Slavery. Ignorance Is Strength
You know pretty well that Ukraine cannot use the weapons as they see fit, just ask Biden. You also know the reason, that Ukraine is provided weapons not to win but just not loose too fast. For some, unknown to me, reason Ukrainian leadership was happy to accept that role for their citizens, and now people are living with those consequences. As you're well aware, if US really wanted Ukraine to win, there are million things that they could've tried to do differently. Instead Ukraine will maybe get only few F16s this year to slow down the losses and drag out the inevitable for a bit longer. Everyone has a role to play, and everyone knows which role leadership picked for Ukraine
You mean NATO attacked Serbia? What was Serbia doing at that time? Was it not attacking Croatia, Bosnia,... Again, who is the aggressor and who is acting in defence? did NATO attack Serbia before they started a (genocidal) war with the ex-republics and started the ethnical cleanse of Albanians or after?
The point you are making about dragging the war, I have been making it since more than a year ago. It was not a good idea to start the war and the actor that is getting the worst of a prolonged war is Ruzzia (not the only one) because is using up resources that cannot be re-built.
It is time for Putin to consider a peace plan by returning the Ukrainian territory and paying reparations, returning the kidnapped children,... Unless he does not want out.
But that will not happen. You need to keep boiling the frong until it is no longer a threat to anyone. US strategy will not change at least for a year.
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Today, we have decided to invite Albania and Croatia to begin accession talks to join our Alliance.
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Today, we have decided to invite Albania and Croatia to begin accession talks to join our Alliance.
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It all has to come from the country. The invitation to talks is only after a country expresses interest previously. You have never proven anything except that you confuse facts an opinion... curiously always favouring your narrative.
There has not been any NATO aggression to Ruzzia. If Ukraine has shown interest in joining NATO, they are invited to discuss how and when. It is very simple - NATO is not an aggressive alliance.
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Haha yes they just give out cookies, right? and we all totally believe that!
NATO Chief Backs Use of Western Weapons to Hit Russian Targets
Chief of a "not aggressive alliance" promotes its members sending weapons to a country, which is not part of the alliance,
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Correct, NATO is a defensive alliance. NATO is not attacking Ruzzia.
You are giving yourself the answer, NATO is not belligerent in this war and none of the countries that sell weapons to Ukraine are belligerent in the war. They can sell weapons to Ukraine and they could sell them to Ruzzia if they wanted to. Ukraine can use the weapons as they see fit.
What surprises me is that anyone has to actually say that it is OK for Ukraine to attack Ruzzia, just as Ruzzia is attacking Ukraine. Is super-funny you somehow find that unfair
In my view, there is not even a need for anyone to "give permission" - Ukraine is at war with Ruzzia, all military targets are exactly that -targets. And if it is a multi-million radar critical for the Ruzzian strategic defence... well, just withdraw from Ukraine if you cannot handle this loses. I am sure it was much more fun from your side when the missiles were flying only from east to west, was it not? Karma is a bitch, uh?Just as I am sure than pacific countries such as Iran and China do not put any limits on what Ruzzia decides to use their weapons for - literally, no limits whatsoever.
So... Finland and Sweden are in NATO for the cookies? So none of this countries in your map are in talks are there because the are scared Ruzzia could invade them, just like it did with Ukraine? You are getting funnier by the minute.
The only point here is that Putin thinks he is somehow entitled to dictate in the old USSR, the neighbours know, and they like it not. Comme'on Putin has done more for NATO expansion than anyone else... NATO was nearly dead before the invasion.
Are there many defensive alliances that attack other countries first, like when NATO attacked Yugoslavia? I'm sure China loves such precedence and instructions on how to sell such crap to population.
Attack is Defense. War Is Peace. Freedom Is Slavery. Ignorance Is Strength
You know pretty well that Ukraine cannot use the weapons as they see fit, just ask Biden. You also know the reason, that Ukraine is provided weapons not to win but just not loose too fast. For some, unknown to me, reason Ukrainian leadership was happy to accept that role for their citizens, and now people are living with those consequences. As you're well aware, if US really wanted Ukraine to win, there are million things that they could've tried to do differently. Instead Ukraine will maybe get only few F16s this year to slow down the losses and drag out the inevitable for a bit longer. Everyone has a role to play, and everyone knows which role leadership picked for Ukraine
It is very simple - NATO is not an aggressive alliance.
If West already decided to help Ukraine, they should give what is needed for Ukraine, not something what is enough just to defend and keep current positions. But no, West don't want escalation, they want to weaken Russia, but don't want their humiliating defeat. Time doesn't work in favour of Ukraine, war is going for almost 2.5 years and every day of this war costs lives of Ukrainians.
When Ukraine started hitting Russian oil refineries and West were negative about it, their reaction says a lot for me.
I told that long ago.
You should look at this war as geopolitical game, not through child eyes as fight between good and evil
UK and USA cheer every dead Ukrainian as well as dead Russian...both are gain for them
WW2 was same
Noone is your friend in geopolitics...UK and USA will bomb you 20y from now if they can and its profitable,
same as they did to their friend and ally Saddam
I take your icons as a disagreement with my statement about NATO. Please @Branko, tell me annytime that the NATO alliance has invaded a country. Please read carefully: The NATO alliance, not individual members acting in their national capacity.
I think that the US simply wants Ruzzia to self-demilitarise. They could have provided Ukraine with much more decisive aid and much earlier, but US wants to make sure Putin uses up the soviet legacy and cannot recover in more than a decade. There are many reasons for it, all advantageous to US.
Ukrainians want an independent country. There are many historic an practical reasons for this interest. It is also in Ukrainian interest to have a Ruzzia that is wary of trying another invasion and has more limited resources to re-try.
Both are collaborating in their mutual goals and seem to be getting at least a decent result. The more Ruzzia self-demilitarises and self-destroys its economy, the safer is the future of Ukraine and Europe and the better placed is the US to face China.
I obviously get your point: Much better a full victory here and now, but the international scene does not lean towards that approach, agendas have points in common and other points that are not common.
Europe and US do not "cheer" anything. It is curious how @Brako can at the same time say that you should be using an "adult approach" that this is not "good and evil"... and then decide that this is about race or cultures or hate.
Like any other people in the world, European people wishes prosperity and most European countries have built the EU to get together and solve problems without wars. It only took two world wars and the destruction of half Europe to get there. How long will it take for Ruzzia to give a chance to peace? perhaps never?
Regardin evil... There is evil in the current Ruzzia. There is kidnapping of children, cultural anihilation, droning of civil vehicles, shelling of schools, hospital, looting... This is not "a kids vision" this is here and now.
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