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Warning: Confrmed Gavinista
August 24, 2015, 07:59:57 AM

Tor exit nodes are automatically downloaded which is a bad thing and Tor exit nodes IPs have lower priority.

Not ideal, but not necessarily a bad thing. It will only occur if you are running your node in the open - in which case you are broadcasting your iP address anyway.

If you are running behind a proxy, then the download doesn't occur at all, and no attempt is made to intervene in possible dDos attacks.
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I prefer Zakir over Muhammed when mentioning me!
August 24, 2015, 07:52:50 AM
This code doesn't actually block anything, just marks it as being lower priority than non-Tor traffic. It should never do anything unless there's an active DoS attack via Tor. So perfect accuracy isn't really needed here: Tor access still works fine and will do even if you run a Bitcoin node and Tor node on the same machine.

That said, I'll make a mental note to switch to the second URL when I work on this code again (might be soon, given the ongoing DoS attacks via Tor we're seeing).

It explicitly says it disconnects addresses with low to negative priority.

This would be the first time in history that anyone was blacklisted from using Bitcoin if XT forks, it's a big deal and against the fundamental reasons Bitcoin is used.

It's blocking attackers during an attack, and even restores their connection when an attack is over. I don't see anything wrong wit this.

Tor exit nodes are automatically downloaded which is a bad thing and Tor exit nodes IPs have lower priority.
legendary
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August 24, 2015, 07:49:15 AM
This is a great illustration of the attack on core.  The so-called "75% attack", carried out in broad daylight with great pride.

As opposed to the Blockstream minority trojan attack, carried out with great malice, in secret!

Why waste time convincing everyone when you can just subvert the key holders. Solid planTM.
legendary
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August 24, 2015, 07:46:54 AM

Cartoons and graphics sometimes say more than thousand words.
Today I found the truth table in the cyberspace. Wink



paging icebreaker for immediate application of the MP-RDF. These truths cannot be left unFUDed in public!

Following the longest chain isn't the same as following the longest *valid* chain.

Bitcoin gave its first movers tremendous advantages.  XT gives its first movers tremendous disadvantages.

Defect from the socioeconomic majority at your peril.   Tongue

I've realised that taking your posts seriously was the problem. I find them much better now I view them as light entertainment. I can't believe I was so naive as to fall for it before! Still we can't always be perfect Smiley
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August 24, 2015, 07:42:24 AM
This code doesn't actually block anything, just marks it as being lower priority than non-Tor traffic. It should never do anything unless there's an active DoS attack via Tor. So perfect accuracy isn't really needed here: Tor access still works fine and will do even if you run a Bitcoin node and Tor node on the same machine.

That said, I'll make a mental note to switch to the second URL when I work on this code again (might be soon, given the ongoing DoS attacks via Tor we're seeing).

It explicitly says it disconnects addresses with low to negative priority.

This would be the first time in history that anyone was blacklisted from using Bitcoin if XT forks, it's a big deal and against the fundamental reasons Bitcoin is used.

It's blocking attackers during an attack, and even restores their connection when an attack is over. I don't see anything wrong wit this.
legendary
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August 24, 2015, 07:38:14 AM

Cartoons and graphics sometimes say more than thousand words.
Today I found the truth table in the cyberspace. Wink



paging icebreaker for immediate application of the MP-RDF. These truths cannot be left unFUDed in public!

This is a great illustration of the attack on core.  The so-called "75% attack", carried out in broad daylight with great pride.
legendary
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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
August 24, 2015, 06:44:41 AM

Cartoons and graphics sometimes say more than thousand words.
Today I found the truth table in the cyberspace. Wink



paging icebreaker for immediate application of the MP-RDF. These truths cannot be left unFUDed in public!

Following the longest chain isn't the same as following the longest *valid* chain.

Bitcoin gave its first movers tremendous advantages.  XT gives its first movers tremendous disadvantages.

Defect from the socioeconomic majority at your peril.   Tongue
legendary
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August 24, 2015, 06:34:45 AM
My reference to independent 'design, implementation, and management' of sidechains was not referring to Blockstream specifically.  On the contrary, my understanding is that the sidechains would NOT e under Blockstream control.  Therefore not even Blockstream could trust that they would be secure or work as claimed.

Get your story straight Jorge, you were claiming that Blockstream was a centralising influence not long ago. When decentralisation is manifest, you attack that. When centralisation is the only valid solution, you attack that too. It's so pathetically transparent, and you've used this tactic with all sorts of aspects of Bitcoin in the past.

Yet according to you, you're constantly buying Bitcoin. Real consistent, Jorge.


But the reason I am bothered about the Lightning Network and the "fee market" is that I am a comp sci prof and they are bad computer science.  Imagine how a physicist would react if someone proposed to replace coal stations by perpetual motion generators.

And the reason I am bothered by Blockstream is that I have this problem with cheats and liars...

No wonder you exhibit such self loathing then, you cheat and lie your way through nary every exchange you've conducted on this forum for several years. Several. Years. Will you eventually hit adulthood?
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August 24, 2015, 06:19:47 AM
Last I heard, Todd has nothing to do with Blockstream other than he throws rocks at them as is his nature.  

That is correct.  He is part time employed at Viacoin, an altcoin that competes with bitcoin.  I don't know whether he has other emplyment.  But he is one of the "core devs".

IIRC, his statement that sidechains were not intended to solve the scaling problem was made on the same reddit thead where Greg announced the Sidechain Elements release; and I did not see any denial by the other core devs.

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As I see it, the 'chain' part of 'sidechains' would be a bit of a misnomer.  I'd imagine all sidecoins to have a chain to use as an interface layer but not necessarily as a back-end.  I would hope that it is close to true to say that there is not much which 'cannot' be a sidecoin.  I've argued (sort of) to Adam that a token back-end makes more sense for a lot of use-cases than a '(now)classic' chain-based system.  Of course I'm limited in what I can 'teach' Dr. Back about...well...almost anything.

Some time ago, someone claimed that sidechains would not need special-purpose mechanisms in the bitcoin protocol; that the "peg" could be implemented simply by moving coins to and address controlled by the sidechain.  Pretty much like when a bitcoiner moves his value from raw bitcoins to a Coinbase or Bitstamp account.  I have never seen an explanation of why that would not be sufficient, and why there had to be specific support for pegs in the bitcoin protocol.

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As for Blockstream's 'design, implementation, and management', I've seen nothing which indicates that it will differ from any other open-source project and nothing to be threatened by (unless you have a burning need to feel threatened of course.)

My reference to independent 'design, implementation, and management' of sidechains was not referring to Blockstream specifically.  On the contrary, my understanding is that the sidechains would NOT e under Blockstream control.  Therefore not even Blockstream could trust that they would be secure or work as claimed.

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The thing about LN that really impressed me was the 'slack'.  Once in a while I pull the keys out of my pocket and a quarter comes with them and falls in a gutter.  That does not stop me from using coins and having pocket change.  From an engineering perspective there is a huge amount to be gained by having a little room for error.  That the designers were cognizant of this impressed me...although it is rather obvious to anyone who has done systems work.

I'll not speak for the LN developers, but as a general design goal a fraud-proofing perspective, the most critical thing is to not allow an operator to profit from fraud.  This will almost completely evaporate many forms of fraud from even being attempted.  A distant second priority would be how long it takes me to get my value back in the event of a failure (which I would expect to be an uncommon event and one I may never see.)

I am fairly satisfied that, in the current sketch, there is not much room for fraud in the LN.  (Not totally, though.)  But, if the LN were to be implemented, its many fatal problems would have to be solved, and the only way I can see to solve them is for clients to surrender the coins to the "LN banks" (hubs); just like today the banks own their clients' dollars.  

Even without such "improvements", the hubs could block client funds for months, deny service to specific clients and merchants, charge whatever fees they can think they can get away with, etc..  

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Open source means that they not only welcome competition but foster it.  So down goes the 'one company' BS.  Blockstream only need to do it better, and that is highly likely given the makeup of the entity.

See how well they welcome BitcoinXT.  Blockstream had clearly counted on having control of the code base; for what exactly I don't know, but Adam's desperate attack on Gavin and Mike seem to be motivated more by the fear of losing that control than by seeing congestion get delayed for several years.

Luke on reddit defended that the defintion of the protocol IS the BitcoinCore code, and disaster would befall if people used any other code base; because if the other code did not copy Core down to the most obscure bug, the coin would split and that would be doom.  

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Nothing about sidechains in any way detracts from the ability for individuals to use native Bitcoin except perhaps that they won't be subsidized and will thus have to pay transaction fees proportional to the cost of operating a secure system.

Forget sidechains, they are not important anymore.  Blockstream openly declared vision for the future of bitcoin is a settlement layer for the Lightning Network, which will carry most payments. The Core devs have been saying all the time on reddit that they expect the "fee market" will make bitcoin transactions so expensive that only settlements between hubs and other high-value transactions will be worth doing there.  They have talked of fees of 10, 20, or even 100 USD per transaction.  

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I do sense that you are deeply hopeful that Bitcoin will collapse.  Again, I suspect that this is why Blockstream and sidechains bothers you so much.

Yes, I do hope that the bitcoin investment pyramid will collapse as soon as possible.  I have no problem with bitcoin the payment system (although I believe that it will not get much beyond an interesting experiment).

But the reason I am bothered about the Lightning Network and the "fee market" is that I am a comp sci prof and they are bad computer science.  Imagine how a physicist would react if someone proposed to replace coal stations by perpetual motion generators.

And the reason I am bothered by Blockstream is that I have this problem with cheats and liars...
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August 24, 2015, 06:18:20 AM

Cartoons and graphics sometimes say more than thousand words.
Today I found the truth table in the cyberspace. Wink



paging icebreaker for immediate application of the MP-RDF. These truths cannot be left unFUDed in public!
legendary
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August 24, 2015, 05:46:20 AM
Address my points directly, as I did with yours. Or submit to the continuance of your hypocritical embarrassment by indulging in the same behaviour of which you accuse me. I see that you currently prefer the latter.

You don't have points. Jorge Stolfi has points and that's the point to which I refer.

I think Carlton may have been a victim of the CONSENS-A-TRONTM too:



Cartoons and graphics sometimes say more than thousand words.
Today I found the truth table in the cyberspace. Wink

legendary
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August 24, 2015, 05:39:45 AM
The idea is that the sidechains are merge-mined, Jorge, on account of using the same hashing algorithm.

That is one of the things that sidechains CAN be.  The paper does npt say that they have to be merge-mined, or that they use that same algorithm, or even that their blockchain is anywhere like the bitcoin blockchain.  In fact, alternative blockchain designs was one of the things that the sidechains were supposed to experiment with.

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@ wider bitcointalk: I and seemingly everyone else don't always have time to reply to all of this gizzard of a troll's willful distortions and contortions, suffice to say that unaddressed Stolfi posts are still staggeringly dishonest despite that.

You should spend some time actually trying to understand the things before staking your reputation on defending them.

Lol you're right Jorge, I haven't even read the Blockstream white paper yet, and I can still hold my own arguing with you about it.

This sounds a little like a challenge. Are you sure you would like me to be more informed on the topic than I am already? Is that really such a good idea, considering you actually want to defend your position successfully?
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August 24, 2015, 05:28:11 AM
The idea is that the sidechains are merge-mined, Jorge, on account of using the same hashing algorithm.

That is one of the things that sidechains CAN be.  The paper does npt say that they have to be merge-mined, or that they use that same algorithm, or even that their blockchain is anywhere like the bitcoin blockchain.  In fact, alternative blockchain designs was one of the things that the sidechains were supposed to experiment with.

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@ wider bitcointalk: I and seemingly everyone else don't always have time to reply to all of this gizzard of a troll's willful distortions and contortions, suffice to say that unaddressed Stolfi posts are still staggeringly dishonest despite that.

You should spend some time actually trying to understand the things before staking your reputation on defending them.
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Warning: Confrmed Gavinista
August 24, 2015, 05:26:55 AM

Blatant and bogus propaganda on several levels:

 - Open source means that they not only welcome competition but foster it.  So down goes the 'one company' BS.  Blockstream only need to do it better, and that is highly likely given the makeup of the entity.

 - Nothing about sidechains in any way detracts from the ability for individuals to use native Bitcoin except perhaps that they won't be subsidized and will thus have to pay transaction fees proportional to the cost of operating a secure system.

 - Given the level of talent who were induced to work on this project, you should think a little bit about who looks like a clown when you label it as 'nonsensical'.

I do sense that you are deeply hopeful that Bitcoin will collapse.  Again, I suspect that this is why Blockstream and sidechains bothers you so much.



Hmmm, genuine and trustworthy propoganda trumps bogus propoganda? 

1. Open competition? If you are not afraid of competition, increase the blocksize *and* then do your sidechains when they are ready.
2. Nothing to stop regular folk using bitcoin?  Except being priced out of it by sidechain operators depending on restricted blocksize to drive up fees.
3. Its not the level of talent, its the amount of money that's riding on it that is the cause of concern. Money has a weird way of distorting peoples reality.

legendary
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August 24, 2015, 04:49:26 AM
See Carlton? These people a beyond ignorance. They should not even have a single satoshi, like their idol stolfi.

They dont have a clue about what they are talking, buy anyway they mean nothing, and are irelevant. They are yappin in the emptyness of their servile life.

Exit bitcoin you idiots.

Respectfully, I disagree with your interpretation. We agree on much else.

You need to read Peter R more carefully than Stolfi or jonald, he is both more selective and stealthy with his manipulation. But it is there, and he is very well practiced.

This is intelligence, not stupidity. Sociopathic, passive-agressive intelligence (he'll be saying "Carlton is delusional" soon, the only retort to getting busted in this role)
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August 24, 2015, 04:18:26 AM

Exit bitcoin you idiots.

Lol, guess why the exchange rate went down. More and more people realize that currently it's BlockstreamCoin.

I'll buy again if this company loses control over Core development, or the fork happens.
legendary
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August 24, 2015, 04:07:09 AM
See Carlton? These people a beyond ignorance. They should not even have a single satoshi, like their idol stolfi.

They dont have a clue about what they are talking, buy anyway they mean nothing, and are irelevant. They are yappin in the emptyness of their servile life.

Exit bitcoin you idiots.
legendary
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August 24, 2015, 03:30:51 AM
Address my points directly, as I did with yours. Or submit to the continuance of your hypocritical embarrassment by indulging in the same behaviour of which you accuse me. I see that you currently prefer the latter.

You don't have points. Jorge Stolfi has points and that's the point to which I refer.

I think Carlton may have been a victim of the CONSENS-A-TRONTM too:

legendary
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August 24, 2015, 03:04:45 AM
Address my points directly, as I did with yours. Or submit to the continuance of your hypocritical embarrassment by indulging in the same behaviour of which you accuse me. I see that you currently prefer the latter.

You don't have points. Jorge Stolfi has points and that's the point to which I refer.
legendary
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August 24, 2015, 02:33:29 AM
Address my points directly, as I did with yours. Or submit to the continuance of your hypocritical embarrassment by indulging in the same behaviour of which you accuse me. I see that you currently prefer the latter.
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