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legendary
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November 24, 2012, 10:10:26 PM

lol, wordpress needs marketing? it's only like 90% of the blogs online uses it? it's unlikely for a user to know bitcoin, but unaware of wordpress. Bitcoin is far less well known compared to wordpress.

Established brand names need marketing too. How do you think one stays on top. Here's an example. Why did Google leave China?

Google left China because the Chinese government hate it, and actively ban its services, not because of any marketing reasons.

Lol. Google refused to comply with the Chinese government. That refusal is marketing. You fell for it.

'If you want a free and open internet ...'

How do you think they get the American public to sign petitions that help google choose the rules?



Give up and pull out from the 2nd largest economy in the world, for marketing? That doesn't sound right.

It does if you know that the government plans to intervene to marginalize you anyways. You might as well make failure look like taking the high road.

Well then your point is invalid, you said they pulled out for "marketing", but now you are saying they pulled out because of the Chinese government, and marketing is just an after thought. Which seems to me you are agreeing with my original point that Google pulled out China because the Chinese government hate them and banned many of their products.

Not really agreeing with you, but not saying you are wrong either. Google could have complied, but likely would have been marginalized eventually anyway. Compliance is the most directly profitable approach, but acting like China's slave is bad for marketing.
hero member
Activity: 532
Merit: 500
November 24, 2012, 07:07:57 PM
legendary
Activity: 1806
Merit: 1003
November 24, 2012, 06:30:59 PM

lol, wordpress needs marketing? it's only like 90% of the blogs online uses it? it's unlikely for a user to know bitcoin, but unaware of wordpress. Bitcoin is far less well known compared to wordpress.

Established brand names need marketing too. How do you think one stays on top. Here's an example. Why did Google leave China?

Google left China because the Chinese government hate it, and actively ban its services, not because of any marketing reasons.

Lol. Google refused to comply with the Chinese government. That refusal is marketing. You fell for it.

'If you want a free and open internet ...'

How do you think they get the American public to sign petitions that help google choose the rules?



Give up and pull out from the 2nd largest economy in the world, for marketing? That doesn't sound right.

It does if you know that the government plans to intervene to marginalize you anyways. You might as well make failure look like taking the high road.

Well then your point is invalid, you said they pulled out for "marketing", but now you are saying they pulled out because of the Chinese government, and marketing is just an after thought. Which seems to me you are agreeing with my original point that Google pulled out China because the Chinese government hate them and banned many of their products.
legendary
Activity: 1050
Merit: 1003
November 24, 2012, 02:33:10 AM

lol, wordpress needs marketing? it's only like 90% of the blogs online uses it? it's unlikely for a user to know bitcoin, but unaware of wordpress. Bitcoin is far less well known compared to wordpress.

Established brand names need marketing too. How do you think one stays on top. Here's an example. Why did Google leave China?

Google left China because the Chinese government hate it, and actively ban its services, not because of any marketing reasons.

Lol. Google refused to comply with the Chinese government. That refusal is marketing. You fell for it.

'If you want a free and open internet ...'

How do you think they get the American public to sign petitions that help google choose the rules?



Give up and pull out from the 2nd largest economy in the world, for marketing? That doesn't sound right.

It does if you know that the government plans to intervene to marginalize you anyways. You might as well make failure look like taking the high road.
newbie
Activity: 16
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November 23, 2012, 07:45:54 PM
Man this is huge!!  Wow this will put a fire under Bitcoin's ass to start moving into mass adoption!! Cheesy
legendary
Activity: 1806
Merit: 1003
November 23, 2012, 07:39:40 PM

lol, wordpress needs marketing? it's only like 90% of the blogs online uses it? it's unlikely for a user to know bitcoin, but unaware of wordpress. Bitcoin is far less well known compared to wordpress.

Established brand names need marketing too. How do you think one stays on top. Here's an example. Why did Google leave China?

Google left China because the Chinese government hate it, and actively ban its services, not because of any marketing reasons.

Lol. Google refused to comply with the Chinese government. That refusal is marketing. You fell for it.

'If you want a free and open internet ...'

How do you think they get the American public to sign petitions that help google choose the rules?



Give up and pull out from the 2nd largest economy in the world, for marketing? That doesn't sound right.
legendary
Activity: 1148
Merit: 1008
If you want to walk on water, get out of the boat
November 23, 2012, 01:45:43 PM
sooo....i thought google helped China restrict the internet? they ended up not wanting to go along with all the chinese government's requests?

Yes, they did help out the Chinese gov't initially, then they changed their mind as the requests became more and more invasive.

Actually, they've changed their minds after they were attacked: http://googleblog.blogspot.fr/2010/01/new-approach-to-china.html
Wow, nice job Google!  Shocked
hero member
Activity: 955
Merit: 1002
November 23, 2012, 11:40:49 AM
Just to get back on thread - wordpress is currently blocked in China (at least it is for me in Shanghai)

I can only see btctrading.wordpress.com if I use a VPN.
legendary
Activity: 1050
Merit: 1003
November 23, 2012, 11:20:39 AM
Quote: "Actually, on slashdot a few months ago, Google announced that they made a filtering highlight add on that marked which search words that would trigger the great firewall. In that way Chinese will be able to circumvent the filtered keywords. Quite a bold move from a big company."

Well Cunicula, that cleared that up, I thought Google's trick worked.

Google should put up a Geo stationary wi-fi sat then.

A VPN is the typical solution. Business needs 'em, so China can't block 'em.
sr. member
Activity: 504
Merit: 250
November 23, 2012, 08:28:36 AM
Quote: "Actually, on slashdot a few months ago, Google announced that they made a filtering highlight add on that marked which search words that would trigger the great firewall. In that way Chinese will be able to circumvent the filtered keywords. Quite a bold move from a big company."

Well Cunicula, that cleared that up, I thought Google's trick worked.

Google should put up a Geo stationary wi-fi sat then.
legendary
Activity: 1050
Merit: 1003
November 23, 2012, 08:22:20 AM
Actually, on slashdot a few months ago, Google announced that they made a filtering highlight add on that marked which search words that would trigger the great firewall. In that way Chinese will be able to circumvent the filtered keywords. Quite a bold move from a big company.

Yep, http://tech.slashdot.org/story/12/06/01/1450204/google-highlights-censored-search-terms-in-china

Seems like Google seriously joined the fight against Internet censorship.

This sounds nice, but it doesn't actually work. A huge number of common Chinese words lead to page errors (e.g. things like the character for river). Why? Because river happens to occur in the name of a political leader. There are so many key words to censor that even a commonplace search becomes infeasible. Moreover, everything is being filtered so pages take forever to load. This is different from censoring page results where they can just block out what they don't want you to see.

The Chinese government has essentially made google unusable in Chinese, causing all Chinese to switch to Baidu. English language google searches in mainland China work much better. The gov't doesn't care about censoring English language materials to anywhere near the same degree.

Again, Google's agenda here is marketing/PR in the US and Europe. While this is a nice gesture, it doesn't do anything effectual to help Chinese people use the internet.
legendary
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November 23, 2012, 04:39:03 AM
Actually, on slashdot a few months ago, Google announced that they made a filtering highlight add on that marked which search words that would trigger the great firewall. In that way Chinese will be able to circumvent the filtered keywords. Quite a bold move from a big company.

Yep, http://tech.slashdot.org/story/12/06/01/1450204/google-highlights-censored-search-terms-in-china

Seems like Google seriously joined the fight against Internet censorship.
sr. member
Activity: 504
Merit: 250
November 23, 2012, 03:23:53 AM
Actually, on slashdot a few months ago, Google announced that they made a filtering highlight add on that marked which search words that would trigger the great firewall. In that way Chinese will be able to circumvent the filtered keywords. Quite a bold move from a big company.
legendary
Activity: 1106
Merit: 1004
November 23, 2012, 03:12:21 AM
sooo....i thought google helped China restrict the internet? they ended up not wanting to go along with all the chinese government's requests?

Yes, they did help out the Chinese gov't initially, then they changed their mind as the requests became more and more invasive.

Actually, they've changed their minds after they were attacked: http://googleblog.blogspot.fr/2010/01/new-approach-to-china.html
legendary
Activity: 1050
Merit: 1003
November 23, 2012, 02:22:46 AM
sooo....i thought google helped China restrict the internet? they ended up not wanting to go along with all the chinese government's requests?

Yes, they did help out the Chinese gov't initially, then they changed their mind as the requests became more and more invasive.
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hero member
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November 23, 2012, 01:47:55 AM
sooo....i thought google helped China restrict the internet? they ended up not wanting to go along with all the chinese government's requests?
legendary
Activity: 1050
Merit: 1003
November 22, 2012, 09:07:40 PM

lol, wordpress needs marketing? it's only like 90% of the blogs online uses it? it's unlikely for a user to know bitcoin, but unaware of wordpress. Bitcoin is far less well known compared to wordpress.

Established brand names need marketing too. How do you think one stays on top. Here's an example. Why did Google leave China?

Google left China because the Chinese government hate it, and actively ban its services, not because of any marketing reasons.

Lol. Google refused to comply with the Chinese government. That refusal is marketing. You fell for it.

'If you want a free and open internet ...'

How do you think they get the American public to sign petitions that help google choose the rules?

legendary
Activity: 1806
Merit: 1003
November 22, 2012, 04:40:44 PM
Google left China because the Chinese government hate it, and actively ban its services, not because of any marketing reasons.

There's still google.com.hk though, with google.cn linking to it.

The underlying services are still banned, no google cache or sensitive keywords, your connection will get reset by GFW.
hero member
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November 22, 2012, 01:08:36 PM
Google left China because the Chinese government hate it, and actively ban its services, not because of any marketing reasons.

There's still google.com.hk though, with google.cn linking to it.
legendary
Activity: 1806
Merit: 1003
November 22, 2012, 12:59:15 PM

lol, wordpress needs marketing? it's only like 90% of the blogs online uses it? it's unlikely for a user to know bitcoin, but unaware of wordpress. Bitcoin is far less well known compared to wordpress.

Established brand names need marketing too. How do you think one stays on top. Here's an example. Why did Google leave China?

Google left China because the Chinese government hate it, and actively ban its services, not because of any marketing reasons.
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