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tvbcof
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November 14, 2011, 07:47:41 PM
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Quote from: tvbcof on November 08, 2011, 10:32:12 PM
Quote from: netrin on November 08, 2011, 10:19:34 PM
Aside from tick spikes, I don't remember TradeHill sustaining higher prices than Mt. Gox.
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I've seen it happen but it was some time ago IIRC.  And it was not really enough to cover the 1% exchange fees plus whatever fees are associated with transferring a lot of money (if one needed to do that.)  But I think that the best way to arbitrage would probably include some amount of picking off spikes and dips anyway.

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Just a heads-up/reminder for anyone interested in arbitrage.

Good (and unusual) opportunities to move funds the easy way with Tradehill holding notably above Mt. Gox for reasonable periods of time of late.  Probably only a handful of relatively smaller players could do it though such is the depth at Tradehill.

StewartJ
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November 14, 2011, 06:16:08 PM
#413
Based on the hourly movements today, we should be trading in the $2 range within 2-4 hours.

Perhaps?

SJ
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November 14, 2011, 05:50:12 PM
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Quote from: dree12 on November 14, 2011, 04:45:59 PM
Quote from: ?? on ??
Update.

*update*
Looks like these charts are changing again. Is today one of the most active days in your record?

It is, and it is behaving just as I would expect for a record volume day.

Where is the support and resistance today?  I see a stair-step drop-down on value on Gox Trading. 

Are we heading for the proverbial $1 btc ?

Thanks for your insights,
SJ
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November 14, 2011, 04:45:59 PM
#411
Quote from: ?? on ??
Update.

*update*
Looks like these charts are changing again. Is today one of the most active days in your record?
dree12
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November 13, 2011, 09:32:22 PM
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How about this?

*image*
Is this after the november 13 instant crash?
ElectricMucus
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November 13, 2011, 07:47:02 PM
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Quote from: BTCurious on November 13, 2011, 07:44:25 PM
Quote from: ElectricMucus on November 13, 2011, 07:32:40 PM
Would you be able to make a double logarithmic one? It is difficult to distinguish any differences of say between 2.85 or 3.15 for example Wink
You sure you don't just want one from 2 to 4 or something?
That also Wink
BTCurious
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November 13, 2011, 07:44:25 PM
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Quote from: ElectricMucus on November 13, 2011, 07:32:40 PM
Would you be able to make a double logarithmic one? It is difficult to distinguish any differences of say between 2.85 or 3.15 for example Wink
You sure you don't just want one from 2 to 4 or something?
ElectricMucus
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November 13, 2011, 07:32:40 PM
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Nice, oh btw:

Would you be able to make a double logarithmic one? It is difficult to distinguish any differences of say between 2.85 or 3.15 for example Wink
dree12
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November 13, 2011, 11:19:42 AM
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Quote from: TiagoTiago on November 13, 2011, 04:53:26 AM
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Ok, to satisfy your curiosity here is the support/resistance chart with price on a log scale.

*image*
Would it look less or more distorted if the vertical axis was log too?
More distorted because the units are relative S/R. That is to say, the difficulty of change between 10 and 9 is equal to 1 and 0. The graph itself is actually a cumalative display if I'm not mistaken.
RyNinDaCleM
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November 13, 2011, 10:45:34 AM
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Whadayaknow... TH is pulling 20% of Gox volume. If they keep this up I might have to give them another look.

They need to accept Dwolla again. Then I would have no problem using them.
TiagoTiago
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November 13, 2011, 04:53:26 AM
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Quote from: ?? on ??
Ok, to satisfy your curiosity here is the support/resistance chart with price on a log scale.


Would it look less or more distorted if the vertical axis was log too?
btc_artist
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November 09, 2011, 12:43:43 PM
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Tradehill and MtGox are not the only exchanges out there.
ElectricMucus
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November 09, 2011, 12:30:42 PM
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You don't have to max out your leverage, and imo something between 1.5 and 2.5 compensates for the faster ROI of scalping enough. (Unless you are really really good at it I guess...  Wink )
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November 09, 2011, 12:23:01 PM
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Quote from: ElectricMucus on November 09, 2011, 11:53:56 AM
Well there is always bitcoinica  Roll Eyes

I don't have all that much confidence in Gox. Much less something that is leveraged off of them.

There is such a thing as systemic risk. Until the exchanges can demonstrate a grown-up level of stability I won't be willing to risk much.

i don't know in what amounts you guys want to trade - but all the time it sounds to me, as if you need several thousands in volume, hourly.

at the moment i trade with 30 BTC and leverage them on bitcoinica. so the systemic risk is pretty meaningless to me. although if you want to trade with 1000+ BTC then i would probably also be sceptical.

starting small can't be a damage, can it?
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November 09, 2011, 11:53:56 AM
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Well there is always bitcoinica  Roll Eyes
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November 08, 2011, 10:39:44 PM
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I've just suggested again that TradeHill accept Mt. Gox redeemable codes. Perhaps all y'all arbitragers could do the same.

I've found that codes very useful trading between Bitcoinica and Mt. Gox (usd codes are much faster than btc p2p). Mt. Gox in the morning, Bitcoinica while I sleep, in theory anyway.

@2112 perhaps you are failing to make yourself understood. If I can see a 10% price difference between exchanges, then I'll buy cheap, transfer coins and sell high. Should the cicumstances reverse, I'll do the same. I have no need to re-balance if not profitable. Is it the re-balancing to which you object?
2112
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November 08, 2011, 10:36:15 PM
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Quote from: netrin on November 08, 2011, 10:19:34 PM
Aside from tick spikes, I don't remember TradeHill sustaining higher prices than Mt. Gox.

@2112: I don't understand your critique. I just made a small profit via TH buy-->Mtgox sell (thanks Chod). I wish I could repeat, as I'm now illiquid on TH, but happy none the less.
But do you understand why a perpetuum mobile cannot keep moving forever?

I'm kinda stumped. This joke here is too much for me to comprehend.
tvbcof
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November 08, 2011, 10:32:12 PM
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Quote from: netrin on November 08, 2011, 10:19:34 PM
Aside from tick spikes, I don't remember TradeHill sustaining higher prices than Mt. Gox.
...

I've seen it happen but it was some time ago IIRC.  And it was not really enough to cover the 1% exchange fees plus whatever fees are associated with transferring a lot of money (if one needed to do that.)  But I think that the best way to arbitrage would probably include some amount of picking off spikes and dips anyway.

From time to time I think that outlier picking off could be effective even in one exchange (specifically Tradehill where the volumes are lower and the outliers are higher), but these opportunities seem to come and go (as people learn from their fat-finger mistakes or whatever.)  I was writing something to play that game, but got interested in other things and keep thinking that others are going to be writing the same thing (but better.)
netrin
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November 08, 2011, 10:19:34 PM
#396
Aside from tick spikes, I don't remember TradeHill sustaining higher prices than Mt. Gox.

@2112: I don't understand your critique. I just made a small profit via TH buy-->Mtgox sell (thanks Chod). I wish I could repeat, as I'm now illiquid on TH, but happy none the less.
2112
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November 08, 2011, 10:04:48 PM
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Quote from: ?? on ??
No. Because there will be times when Gox is above TH, and times when Gox is below TH. You do the transfers when it is profitable for you to do so. If your balances go too far the wrong way then you might have to eat a fee on a Dollar transfer in order not to let one account go illiquid.

If you can not do this it reveals that something is lacking in your money management strategy and you are better off not attempting arbitrage between the exchanges. If it were easy, everyone would do it...
It seems to me like you are describing a sure way to lose.

Arbitraging in general is taking advantage of too-much inter-exchange friction in one asset class (BTC) by exploiting less friction in another asset class (USD). Arbitraging doesn't assume that one can guess in advance the profitable distribution of the portfolio between the exchanges.

I've found your proposal of arbitraging BTC/USD price differentials by doing BTC transfers between the exchanges hilarious joke. But you seem to write in all seriousness. I really don't know what to think about it anymore. Was this supposed to be a multi-level satire?

I made a full quote above in the attempt to discourage ex-post-facto editing.
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