Topic: #2 Bitcointalk Poker Series (0.05 BTC & BIG BTC Ticket sponsored by SwC Poker) - page 23. (Read 5682 times)

So far there were really good ideas on the topic charity, but also the objections were good. That certainly does not make the decision easy.  

If we make an extra charity game, the buy-in should not be too high. Otherwise, some people may not play along, as they cannot afford it. Maybe SwC or Sportsbet sponsor us a charity game with a small price and then the complete buy-in could be used for carity, but that's just an idea and I don't know if that would be possible.  

Gotta keep in mind, these series are lasting 5 weeks in total with the way it has been set up. I'd like to see them go 4 weeks, but it is what it is. The last games prize pool was .09 range including SwC's .05 contribution. The winner got less than .05 for his effort. Let's say .05 for maths sake. That's $450 for a whole month of playing. Not very much.

The buyin is already reaching nearly $10 per game. Not that that is much, but if we keep increasing the buyin amount by adding more for charity or doubling the buyin for charity to take half, you're gonna take the ability to play away from some of the players. You're also going to decrease the final prize and lose interest as well.

This is probably the best statement made about the whole idea, which is why the separate game should be the main focus. You guys are free to do as you please, but taking away from the series might cost you some players.

I'd like to see this series get to 50-60 players playing each week, and a prize pool of .150 or bigger in the final game. We will see how that goes.

+1.

we should really keep them separate. otherwise it messes with all the incentives and less people will wanna play in the series.

i think (hope) we could generate a decent turnout with a separate charity game. as an example, 0.005 BTC x 25 players / 2 = 0.0625 BTC donated. anybody who can't play or wants to add donations on top can do that too.

I really missed reading others and yet to read. I was just jumping on here after seeing the poll and I am with the majority without any question. I just made my vote for:

Damn you!
I did not have that in mind 😜
Your point is valid!

@BitcoinGirl.Club

I don't like your idea very much because it basically forces people to pay up for the charity if they want to be part of the tournament. Charity is something you should choose to do and not be forced to do.

Personally, I would rather send money directly to the charity and will do that if I get full paycheck this month (company in some problems because of corona bullshit) regardless of what ends up decided here. On the other hand I will not give a cent from my poker winnings to anybody. That money is for my enjoyment, beers bought with money taken on the poker table taste better, just try it some time

What I wanted to say: All of that means "additional rules",  sort of...  when most people just want to play some poker. Tbh I don't see a reason why we should implement such "rules" when anyone can freely donate chips as they wish.

As some guys pointed out earlier, donating like half of the estimated prize pool would make the series less attractive and I actually get that.

Don't get me wrong - I am all for helping people in need when they are members of the community all of us obviously "love" - we just shouldn't mix up things too much.

That was quick response from you. I think both can be executed very easily.

Idea 1:
You just send the entire extra chips to the donation address instead of sending it to the winner

Idea 2:
1. Make sure you send the password to ONLY those who paid 2400 chips for both tournaments of the week. So if anyone thinks that they will only join the 2nd tournament of the week then they can not. They can skip playing the 2nd tournament of the week but will have to pay for both.

2. The winners of the 2nd tournament of the week will send the chips to you or to the donation address. We will all know who are the winners so nothing is going behind the doors.

3. End of the series you will send 50% of the extra chips to the donation address and 50% to the grand winner.

Does this look very complicated? I guess not 😉

Appreciate the input mate and appreciate anyone who wants to support the charity thing. I just don’t want things to get „complicated“ and I am afraid this could happen. That’s why I initially suggested to just „allow“ anyone who wants to help to send extra chips, whether upfront or after winning some.

@efialtis, @figmentofmyass, @yahoo62278, @iv4n, @tyKiwanuka, @CoinEraser, @cygan, @morvillz7z, @babo, @Globb0 and everyone else

I Just noticed this poll and I think I have a different idea. Please note that I have no problem even to join a charity tournament which will be > 10 mBTC but not everyone will not have this luxury. Having too many tournaments at the same time is going cost everyone a lot and possibly a lot of regulars will consider to skip it too.

Instead of having a separate tournament, we can just make a twist in the current series we have.

Currently the price:


1) 0.05 BTC guaranteed Freeroll for the Finalists, valuable
2) BIG BTC Ticket
3) SwC Flexfit Hat and
4) Whatever the total those 200 extra chips from every tournament from users will make.
5) We have 8 tournament where we are paying 1200 chips in total to earn points for the final tournament. 4 winners from each tournament is sharing the individual tournament's pot.

Idea 1:
Let's talk about those 200 extra chips.
Say 20 users on average in every tournament which means we will collect 32,000 chips which means 0.032 BTC
We can simply donate this entire 0.032 BTC to the charity instead of giving it to the winner. The winners is going to receive enough money from SwC sponsoring.

Idea 2:
Entry fee for each tournament is 1000 + 200 chips and we have two tournaments every week which makes 8 in four weeks. For each week one is paying 2000 + 400 chips to play two tournaments and the goal is basically to earn as many points as they can earn to top in the leader-board.

Have a rule that one can only join the second tournament of the week if he joins the first tournament. And then what if in the first tournament of the week the winner gets the money but in the 2nd tournament of the week all the entry fees will go to the donation address or will be used for donation? This way from each 2nd tournament of the week we can collect 1200 chips from each users. Now if we have 20 player then we get 96,000 chips and this is a very good amount to donate. 0.096BTC is fairly good amount.

If we simplify it then it stands like this: One will pay 2400 chips to play two tournament a week. First one will have prize pot and points but the 2nd one will not have a prize pot but you are playing for points.

Let me know your thoughts.

PS: I am personally is going to donate 50% of my winnings from this series. This counts any winnings.

Good idea - I have just added a poll. To be honest, our general thread might be the better place to discuss the charity thing but hey, let's just test the waters and see what some of our regulars think based on their votes and go from there.

Other than that - everyone getting hot or what? Only 3 more days and tbh - probably because I sucked in series #1 - I can't wait for our 2nd series! Feels like the first time... 

> 5 mBTC sounds kinda steep for the regular gambling board crowd. i wonder if we could generate any interest on the rest of the forum though, since it would be a charity event.

maybe we should run a poll re what stakes people are willing to play.

standard payout structure no good?

+1

The problem will be to hit that sweet spot regarding buy in size that enough people will still want to participate and that we collect enough money for rewards and charity. For me that sweet spot would 5-20 mBTC with half of money going to charity and other half to top three players.

@efiialtis , I just sent 1600 chips for the upcoming 8 games

regarding donating I agree with yahoo , in general the whole prizes and buyins are really small and doubt that they can do any difference but we can always arrange a charity event with bigger buyins
the pool + swc bonus aren't reaching 1000$ and that's for a whole month of playing , so a dedicated event with larger buy ins is the best IMO

I like the idea of the extra tournament the best, but I'm not sure if we will have many participants. Well, let's wait and see what efialtis has for news in this regard. 

Thanks for jumping in mate - yes, won't be an issue in the future - was caused due to late reg. but I will make sure we won't have late reg in our next Grand Final.

I have messaged the passwords to everyone who contacted me by now and we also have a new face - I hope we will see more newcomers.

Can't wait for Sunday, be prepared, this time youcantwin (never gets old, sry)...

Regarding charity - well, I will try to come up with something and post an update when I have.

It was just a mistake/miscommunication/whatever from SwC/efialtis and won't be an issue in the future. efialtis made a post about it, contacted SwC immediately and they fixed it after some minutes:

weird, it should have been 9max like a single table SNG. if that's an issue, we should try to get it fixed before the next championship. playing 4-handed off the bat doesn't seem ideal.


+1 for the charity tournament idea. more bang for your buck, and it might bring out a few people who aren't playing in the series. i'll plan to be there.

Definitely the final game should have bigger stacks if not every tournament. 2 tables was also a bit strange. I was mentally prepared for 9 people table and than I got seated with 3 other people and then closely lost the literal first hand in the tournament.

Anyway, I am learning most on my mistakes so I am coming for you all in the next series. Already registered for first two

^that's a good idea, the charity tournament can gain more than a 10% from our tournament

Edit:
the starting 5k stack is something that makes me happy

Let's say we have 30 players enter the tourney. That would be 6000 chips "extra" and 10% of that would be 600 chips. Doesn't seem worth the effort. Maybe you could setup a charity tourney on 1 of the weekdays where it's a 1000 chip buyin, 500 chips goes to the prize pool and 500 to the charity.